Rue Posted May 12, 2015 Report Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) 'Non interventionist' is the term you are looking for. Not isolationism. A nation can be non-interventionist while still doing business with the rest of the world. Lol. The term is being a little bit pregnant. Yah that's a nice theory. One hides under the bed from the boogy man, but when their tummy begins to ache, they'll scream and come out just long enough for Mummy to breast feed them before they go back under the bed. What a convenient world of entitlement. Edited May 12, 2015 by Rue Quote
dre Posted May 12, 2015 Report Posted May 12, 2015 That is what the GWOT essentially is. No the GWOT so far has consisted of mostly large scale invasions and nation building projects... to the tune of 5+ Trillion dollars, and it has actually put us at greater risk, and increased the ammount of terrorism and the threat it poses. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
jacee Posted May 12, 2015 Report Posted May 12, 2015 How much has the private sector earned from it ... while the US people pay for all that? Did they pay any US taxes on their profits? . Quote
Shady Posted May 12, 2015 Report Posted May 12, 2015 No the GWOT so far has consisted of mostly large scale invasions and nation building projects No it hasn't. It's consisted of mostly behind the scenes intelligence work and information sharing. You're only seeing the tip of the iceberg, and not the mass underneath that's out of view. Quote
Shady Posted May 12, 2015 Report Posted May 12, 2015 How much has the private sector earned from it ... while the US people pay for all that? Did they pay any US taxes on their profits? . Generally the private sector and the US people are one in the same. Quote
Je suis Omar Posted May 12, 2015 Author Report Posted May 12, 2015 Generally the private sector and the US people are one in the same. My good dog, what planet do you inhabit, Shady? Do you get any news out there about the one percenters vs the 99? See division of USA wealth seen as a function of USA land area. http://ilsr.org/ownership-land-mass-divided-wealth/if-us-land-mass-were-distributed-like-us-wealth/ Quote
Je suis Omar Posted May 13, 2015 Author Report Posted May 13, 2015 We can agree to disagree then. We can agree that you are entitled to your opinion but, as the saying goes, you're not entitled to your own set of facts. You know you are on very shaky ground and you don't want to proceed because you don't want your little world rocked. Yet you continue to support war criminals and terrorists. As to why it's extremely difficult to imagine. Quote
Je suis Omar Posted May 13, 2015 Author Report Posted May 13, 2015 No it hasn't. It's consisted of mostly behind the scenes intelligence work and information sharing. You're only seeing the tip of the iceberg, and not the mass underneath that's out of view. "behind the scenes intelligence work and information sharing" doesn't kill a million plus people. It doesn't commit the ultimate war crime of illegally invading two sovereign nations. It doesn't spread baby bombs around that kill many children daily. It doesn't scatter depleted uranium all over the country to ensure the births of deformed babies, of living men, women and children getting cancer. What kind of delusion does a soul have to live with to not be bothered by this kind of terrorism? Quote
Shady Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 "behind the scenes intelligence work and information sharing" doesn't kill a million plus people. It doesn't commit the ultimate war crime of illegally invading two sovereign nations. It doesn't spread baby bombs around that kill many children daily. It doesn't scatter depleted uranium all over the country to ensure the births of deformed babies, of living men, women and children getting cancer. What kind of delusion does a soul have to live with to not be bothered by this kind of terrorism? None of the 2 invasions were illegal. You're entitled to an opinion, but not your own facts. Anyways, we're not going to change each others minds. So it's best to just move on. Quote
Shady Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 We can agree that you are entitled to your opinion but, as the saying goes, you're not entitled to your own set of facts. You know you are on very shaky ground and you don't want to proceed because you don't want your little world rocked. Yet you continue to support war criminals and terrorists. As to why it's extremely difficult to imagine.At least the terrorists I support believe in freedom and democracy. The terrorists yiu support hide behind women and chrildren, kill people who are not of the same religion and destroy 2000 year old statues. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) Generally the private sector and the US people are one in the same. No not really. The portion of the private sector that feeds so heavily off the MIC is in a league all their own. Just ask Dick Cheney for instance. But the taxpayer certainly pays for it. Edited May 13, 2015 by On Guard for Thee Quote
GostHacked Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 Lol. The term is being a little bit pregnant. Yah that's a nice theory. One hides under the bed from the boogy man, but when their tummy begins to ache, they'll scream and come out just long enough for Mummy to breast feed them before they go back under the bed. What a convenient world of entitlement. Might be better off with the analogy of abstinence instead of using birth control. But that convenient world of entitlement belongs to the elite and government who can use terms such as 'enemy combatant' to circumvent international agreements that country has signed on to. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-interventionism Nonintervention or non-interventionism is a foreign policy which holds that political rulers should avoid alliances with other nations, but still retain diplomacy, and avoid all wars not related to direct self-defense. An original more formal definition is that Non-intervention is a policy characterized by the absence of interference by a state or states in the external affairs of another state without its consent, or in its internal affairs with or without its consent.[1]Nonintervention is distinct from, and often confused with isolationism. Proponents of isolationism differ from proponents of Non-interventionism through their advocacy of economic nationalism (protectionism) and restrictive immigration. Non-interventionism is a policy in government only and thus does not exclude non-governmental intervention by organizations such as Amnesty International. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolationism Isolationism is a category of foreign policies institutionalized by leaders who asserted that their nations' best interests were best served by keeping the affairs of other countries at a distance. One possible motivation for limiting international involvement is to avoid being drawn into dangerous and otherwise undesirable conflicts. There may also be a perceived benefit from avoiding international trade agreements or other mutual assistance pacts.[1] Quote
jacee Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 Generally the private sector and the US people are one in the same. Unh ... no. See the people pay the taxes that pay for the wars. The private sector makes the profits on the war machines and supplies, and the access to foreign resources that wars are fought over. But the jobs and the money are all offshored untaxed. The standard transfer of wealth to the wealthiest. :/ Yay war! Yay profits! Yay people too stupid to figure it out! . Quote
Shady Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 Unh ... no. See the people pay the taxes that pay for the wars. The private sector makes the profits on the war machines and supplies, and the access to foreign resources that wars are fought over. But the jobs and the money are all offshored untaxed. The standard transfer of wealth to the wealthiest. :/ Yay war! Yay profits! Yay people too stupid to figure it out! . And yay for complete nonsense! Quote
jacee Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 And yay for complete nonsense! Oh! Getting a piece of the action, eh! Nobody would deny that ... unless they prefer to think people are too stupid to figure it out. . Quote
Je suis Omar Posted May 13, 2015 Author Report Posted May 13, 2015 None of the 2 invasions were illegal. Go ahead and describe, with something other than your opinion, how they were legal. Quote
Smallc Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 And yay for complete nonsense! This is one of those times I feel like we should have a like button. Quote
Je suis Omar Posted May 13, 2015 Author Report Posted May 13, 2015 And yay for complete nonsense! The business of war is profitable. In 2011, the 100 largest contractors sold $410 billion in arms and military services. Just 10 of those companies sold over $208 billion. http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/03/10/10-companies-profiting-most-from-war/1970997/ Cheney's Halliburton Made $39.5 Billion on Iraq War By Angelo Young, International Business Times 20 March 13 he accounting of the financial cost of the nearly decade-long Iraq War will go on for years, but a recent analysis has shed light on the companies that made money off the war by providing support services as the privatization of what were former U.S. military operations rose to unprecedented levels. Private or publicly listed firms received at least $138 billion of U.S. taxpayer money for government contracts for services that included providing private security, building infrastructure and feeding the troops. Ten contractors received 52 percent of the funds, according to an analysis by the Financial Times that was published Tuesday. The No. 1 recipient? Houston-based energy-focused engineering and construction firm KBR, Inc. (NYSE:KBR), which was spun off from its parent, oilfield services provider Halliburton Co. (NYSE:HAL), in 2007. The company was given $39.5 billion in Iraq-related contracts over the past decade, with many of the deals given without any bidding from competing firms, such as a $568-million contract renewal in 2010 to provide housing, meals, water and bathroom services to soldiers, a deal that led to a Justice Department lawsuit over alleged kickbacks, as reported by Bloomberg. Who were Nos. 2 and 3? Agility Logistics (KSE:AGLTY) of Kuwait and the state-owned Kuwait Petroleum Corp. Together, these firms garnered $13.5 billion of U.S. contracts. As private enterprise entered the war zone at unprecedented levels, the amount of corruption ballooned, even if most contractors performed their duties as expected. According to the bipartisan Commission on Wartime Contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan, the level of corruption by defense contractors may be as high as $60 billion. Disciplined soldiers that would traditionally do many of the tasks are commissioned by private and publicly listed companies. Even without the graft, the costs of paying for these services are higher than paying governement employees or soldiers to do them because of the profit motive involved. No-bid contracting - when companies get to name their price with no competing bid - didn't lower legitimate expenses. (Despite promises by President Barack Obama to reel in this habit, the trend toward granting favored companies federal contracts without considering competing bids continued to grow, by 9 percent last year, according to the Washington Post.) http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/308-12/16561-focus-cheneys-halliburton-made-395-billion-on-iraq-war Quote
Je suis Omar Posted May 13, 2015 Author Report Posted May 13, 2015 This is one of those times I feel like we should have a like button. It's like you folks have never heard of a source, a cite, facts, ... . You are each other's echo chambers. Quote
Shady Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 Unh ... no. See the people pay the taxes that pay for the wars. The private sector makes the profits on the war machines and supplies, and the access to foreign resources that wars are fought over. But the jobs and the money are all offshored untaxed. The standard transfer of wealth to the wealthiest. :/ Yay war! Yay profits! Yay people too stupid to figure it out! . All the private sector makes profits? Does that include Tim Hortons? What about the Oliver Garden? How about Best Buy? What about John Deer? How about Disney Land? Lol! The jobs are offshored? So the tens of thousands of Americans that work for Boeing, Lockheed Martin, etc, don't really exist huh? They just drive to work in the morning to a fake workplace? Lol! What wealth is transfered? You mean like an e-transfer? Lol! Your assertions are complete absurdity. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 All the private sector makes profits? Does that include Tim Hortons? What about the Oliver Garden? How about Best Buy? What about John Deer? How about Disney Land? Lol! The jobs are offshored? So the tens of thousands of Americans that work for Boeing, Lockheed Martin, etc, don't really exist huh? They just drive to work in the morning to a fake workplace? Lol! What wealth is transfered? You mean like an e-transfer? Lol! Your assertions are complete absurdity. You obviously know very little about how the military industrial complex works. Although you might be right that Olive Garden isnt involved. On the other hand, ever heard of Kellogg Brown and Root, Haliburton, and there are any more. Quote
Shady Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 You obviously know very little about how the military industrial complex works. Although you might be right that Olive Garden isnt involved. On the other hand, ever heard of Kellogg Brown and Root, Haliburton, and there are any more. I know plenty. I was just responding to the absurd allegations of the previous post. Quote
Je suis Omar Posted May 13, 2015 Author Report Posted May 13, 2015 So the tens of thousands of Americans that work for Boeing, Lockheed Martin, etc, don't really exist huh? . All Good Germans. Quote
Je suis Omar Posted May 14, 2015 Author Report Posted May 14, 2015 But they exist right? Yes, as Good Americans. Quote
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