Argus Posted March 18, 2015 Report Posted March 18, 2015 Was an interesting story in the Globe today, to the effect US/Canada relations are so bad the US ambassador can't get to meet or talk to Canadian officials, and has never had a one on one meeting with Harper. Whether it's the ambassador or more likely a combination of him and his idiotic president, relations between the US and Canada have seldom been worse. There was no 'Three Amigos" summit this year and won't be until he's gone. Mind you ,Obama doesn't seem to have good relationships with... well anyone. From what I've read nobody in Europe much likes him and all the US's closest allies, the British, French and Germans to say nothing of the Israelis, are simply waiting for him to go. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/how-ottawa-left-us-ambassador-bruce-heyman-out-in-the-cold/article23514669/ Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted March 18, 2015 Report Posted March 18, 2015 Yeah and guess who cancelled the meeting, that would be our idiotic PM, probably throwing another snit over the XL pipeline. Didnt even bother to explain anything to the other 2 amigos. Typical. Quote
Bryan Posted March 18, 2015 Report Posted March 18, 2015 Heyman (and by extension Obama) have to take the loin's share of the blame on this. In the initial meeting with Baird, Heyman was told what the biggest areas of concern were for Canada so that future meeting could be scheduled around them. Heyman is the one who said those things were not open for discussion. There's no point in any further meetings until that situation changes from the American side. Quote
Smallc Posted March 18, 2015 Report Posted March 18, 2015 Yeah and guess who cancelled the meeting, that would be our idiotic PM, probably throwing another snit over the XL pipeline. Didnt even bother to explain anything to the other 2 amigos. Typical. You would think after everything we've done in Iraq, with Russia, and with Cuba, we could get a simple pipeline approved. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 18, 2015 Report Posted March 18, 2015 Heyman (and by extension Obama) have to take the loin's share of the blame on this. In the initial meeting with Baird, Heyman was told what the biggest areas of concern were for Canada so that future meeting could be scheduled around them. Heyman is the one who said those things were not open for discussion. There's no point in any further meetings until that situation changes from the American side. Harper knew he could go no further with XL and he didnt want to face pressure from Mexico over visas, so he pulled the plug. Quote
Topaz Posted March 18, 2015 Report Posted March 18, 2015 Do you really think the TWO are not talking? If Harper and Obama cut off any communication, then how did Canada get involved in the ME war when the US is the leader??? I think it has more to do with taking the attention off the NAU, which many are against. Of course, I could be wrong and Obama has realized what many Canadians know about Harper. Quote
Smallc Posted March 18, 2015 Report Posted March 18, 2015 Do you really think the TWO are not talking? You would think that reading the story would be helpful. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted March 18, 2015 Report Posted March 18, 2015 You would think that reading the story would be helpful. I read it and........? Quote
Shady Posted March 18, 2015 Report Posted March 18, 2015 Obama treats his allies like his enemies, and his enemies like his allies. It's the bizarro-world presidency. I'm sure we'll be glad to see him go, as will many others. Germany, England, Poland, and several allies in the Middle East, including Israel. Quote
Smallc Posted March 18, 2015 Report Posted March 18, 2015 I read it and........? It specifically said that Harper and Obama talk to each other several times a year. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 You would think after everything we've done in Iraq, with Russia, and with Cuba, we could get a simple pipeline approved. It's not that simple, obviously. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
On Guard for Thee Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 Obama treats his allies like his enemies, and his enemies like his allies. It's the bizarro-world presidency. I'm sure we'll be glad to see him go, as will many others. Germany, England, Poland, and several allies in the Middle East, including Israel. And I suppose your ilk is hoping for the likes of Ted Cruz as a replacement. Quote
Smallc Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 It's not that simple, obviously. It actually really is. His own state department basically said so. Quote
Argus Posted March 19, 2015 Author Report Posted March 19, 2015 And I suppose your ilk is hoping for the likes of Ted Cruz as a replacement. I'm no fan of the tea party but Obama has clearly been a big disappointment, not just to a lot of Americans, but to America's closest allies. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) I'm no fan of the tea party but Obama has clearly been a big disappointment, not just to a lot of Americans, but to America's closest allies.Yeah but look at the **** show Bush left him in the first place, and now he has to try and get things done with a bunch of right wing nutters controlling both sides of the aisle in congress. Edited March 19, 2015 by Michael Hardner Profanity Quote
Shady Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 And I suppose your ilk is hoping for the likes of Ted Cruz as a replacement. Not at all. Heck, I'd even take Hillary Clinton. Quote
Shady Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 Yeah but look at the shit show Bush left him in the first place, and now he has to try and get things done with a bunch of right wing nutters controlling both sides of the aisle in congress. Blaming Bush 6 years later is pretty pathetic. As is blaming lack of control of congress. Obama had massive majorities in both houses of congress for two years, and did very little with it. He's just not a very good leader and executive. Sorry. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 Blaming Bush 6 years later is pretty pathetic. As is blaming lack of control of congress. Obama had massive majorities in both houses of congress for two years, and did very little with it. He's just not a very good leader and executive. Sorry. He had a majority for 2 years and he passed a massive stimulus bill and brought in his health care program, so actually he did a lot. Not to mention inheriting 2 wars and a huge deficit. Then the good squad took over the house in 2011 and grid locked everything since. There is what you should be sorry about. Quote
Shady Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 He had a majority for 2 years and he passed a massive stimulus bill and brought in his health care program, so actually he did a lot. Not to mention inheriting 2 wars and a huge deficit. Then the good squad took over the house in 2011 and grid locked everything since. There is what you should be sorry about. Yes we all know. A massive stimulus bill crammed with a bunch of crap that did nothing, and a health care program that's been delayed year after year. His deficits, not Bush's are the largest on record, and HE, will add more debt when he leaves office than ALL previous presidents COMBINED. He didn't end anything in Iraq as we've recently seen. In fact his reckless complete withdrawal squandered all of the gains that had been made, and his venture in Afghanistan is on-going. Not to mention his new wars, like in Libya, which have been a complete and utter disaster, as well as in Egypt. Quote
Argus Posted March 19, 2015 Author Report Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) Yeah but look at the **** show Bush left him in the first place, and now he has to try and get things done with a bunch of right wing nutters controlling both sides of the aisle in congress. The thing is, relations with US allies hav deteriorated, not gotten better. Obama's first ambassador to Canada used to go snowshoeing with Harper's wife. The current one can't get anywhere near Harper or his ministers. Edited March 19, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Shady Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 The thing is, relations with US allies hav deteriorated, not gotten better. Obama's first ambassador to Canada used to go snowshoeing with Harper's wife. The current one can't get anywhere near Harper or his ministers. Exactly. Relations with pretty much all of the usual allies have deteriorated for one reason or another. It's really odd. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 Yes we all know. A massive stimulus bill crammed with a bunch of crap that did nothing, and a health care program that's been delayed year after year. His deficits, not Bush's are the largest on record, and HE, will add more debt when he leaves office than ALL previous presidents COMBINED. He didn't end anything in Iraq as we've recently seen. In fact his reckless complete withdrawal squandered all of the gains that had been made, and his venture in Afghanistan is on-going. Not to mention his new wars, like in Libya, which have been a complete and utter disaster, as well as in Egypt. Most economic indicators conclude the stimulus package was successful, he had 2 wars handed to him to keep paying for, the right wing keeps fighting his healthcare, which also turning out to be successful. We know you like to bash Obama but dont get jaded about it. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 The thing is, relations with US allies hav deteriorated, not gotten better. Obama's first ambassador to Canada used to go snowshoeing with Harper's wife. The current one can't get anywhere near Harper or his ministers. Like I say, Harper is in a snit over XL. He is known for his little tantrums. Quote
Shady Posted March 19, 2015 Report Posted March 19, 2015 Most economic indicators conclude the stimulus package was successful, he had 2 wars handed to him to keep paying for, the right wing keeps fighting his healthcare, which also turning out to be successful. We know you like to bash Obama but dont get jaded about it. I'm not going to contribute to thread drift. This is about the deteriorate of relations with all allies under the Obama administration. Quote
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