August1991 Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 In December 2000, the world wondered whether Gore or Bush would be president. Yet, everyone knew that America would have a president in January 2001. Risk is not knowing what will happen. Stability is knowing that something will happen. The American political system is risky, but it's stable. In 2000, no one knew who the president would be but everyone knew there would be a president. The system was stable but the president uncertain. ===== Putin, like many Russian leaders or dictators around the world, offers certainty but he doesn't offer stability. After Putin, what happens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Maybe after Putin the Russian people will see the value of pluralism and an open society. It's not clear to me if they see that value today, and simply can't dislodge him, or whether they prefer the strong violent type. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Maybe after Putin the Russian people will see the value of pluralism and an open society. It's not clear to me if they see that value today, and simply can't dislodge him, or whether they prefer the strong violent type. I can only wish that Canada had a string leader like Putin. He takes action and doesn't care what anyone thinks. Let's not forget that Putin is wildly popular. Edited March 13, 2015 by LemonPureLeaf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 I can only wish that Canada had a string leader like Putin. Exactly, in that no matter what happens, he's pulling the strings. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 I can only wish that Canada had a string leader like Putin. He takes action and doesn't care what anyone thinks. Let's not forget that Putin is wildly popular. So you want Canada to be like Russia? You sure? Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 So you want Canada to be like Russia? You sure? Russia #6 world economy Canada #15 world economy. So you want Canada to be like Russia?You sure? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Maybe after Putin the Russian people will see the value of pluralism and an open society. Putin has 88% support of his people. Just throw away what your bias won't accept then fill in the blanks with what you want others to believe. Works sometimes, sometimes not so. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Russia #6 world economy Canada #15 world economy. So you want Canada to be like Russia?You sure? WWWTT Huh? Your love of ordinal numbers hides the fact that Russia had a GDP per person of about $15,000 while Canada had $51,000. That's using 2013 figures in USD. Since the end of 2013 the Ruble has cratered by 40+% while the CDN $ has sunk by about 15%. So Russia is even poorer in 2015 despite being "#6" in your world. Oh yeah, and Canada is a free country with fair elections every four years. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 That's using 2013 figures in USD. And there's your problem right there. Try using the more accurate PPP. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 And there's your problem right there. Try using the more accurate PPP. WWWTT If I loved ordinal numbers as much as you do then I would say #20 + freedom + fair elections every 4 years > #46 +shirtless dirtbag tyrant. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Putin has 88% support of his people.Right. If I lived in Russia, I'd support Putin too. We've seen what happens to his opposition. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 Right. If I lived in Russia, I'd support Putin too. We've seen what happens to his opposition. If I loved ordinal numbers as much as you do then I would say #20 + freedom + fair elections every 4 years > #46 +shirtless dirtbag tyrant. Don't go to Russia! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted March 14, 2015 Report Share Posted March 14, 2015 This has been floating around the past few days. Not sure how legit it is. http://nypost.com/2015/03/13/putin-in-switzerland-for-birth-of-his-lovechild/ WASHINGTON — From Russia, with love child. Vladimir Putin hasn’t been seen in public for more than a week — and rampant speculation over the Russian president’s whereabouts took a wild turn on Friday with reports he was in Switzerland for the birth of his secret daughter. “Es ist ein Madchen!” or “It’s a Girl!” screamed a headline from the Swiss newspaper Blick, which had him in Lugano to witness the arrival of his child with Alina Kabaeva, 31, a retired Olympic gymnast who served in the Russian parliament and now works for a media company. The paper reported that Putin’s daughter was born at the posh Santa Anna di Sorgeno clinic on the Italian border. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) Don't go to Russia! WWWTT Why wouldn't I?Since I live and vote and work and invest in the #20 GDP per person country in the world I can afford to visit when I want. Not high on the bucket list and have already booked Ecuador/Galapagos for this year so maybe in a few years time after doing Myanmar and Mongolia and ..... Edited March 15, 2015 by msj Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 As someone who has lived in Russia, it's hilarious that someone could possibly suggest that it's better than Canada. Canada is a great place to live. And Russia... is the land of eternal sorrow and despair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 As someone who has lived in Russia, it's hilarious that someone could possibly suggest that it's better than Canada. Canada is a great place to live. And Russia... is the land of eternal sorrow and despair. One of my staff is from Russia and she is desperately trying to get her parents over here. Typical immigrant story of people coming here and working their asses off because back home is terrible. We are very lucky to have been born in such a country to allow us so many freedoms and opportunities and it's too bad that more people in the world can't experience the same. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted March 15, 2015 Report Share Posted March 15, 2015 One of my staff is from Russia and she is desperately trying to get her parents over here. Typical immigrant story of people coming here and working their asses off because back home is terrible. We are very lucky to have been born in such a country to allow us so many freedoms and opportunities and it's too bad that more people in the world can't experience the same. I was born in Russia. And here I am. Because Russia sucks. My parents have never even gone back to visit in 25 years, not once, no desire to ever see that part of the world again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 One of my staff is from Russia and she is desperately trying to get her parents over here. Typical immigrant story of people coming here and working their asses off because back home is terrible. We are very lucky to have been born in such a country to allow us so many freedoms and opportunities and it's too bad that more people in the world can't experience the same. Well, it probably doesn't help when we (our Commonwealth and Allies) use our freedom to knock off democracies and outfit oppressive dictators and stuff. It's probably our most hateful freedom....and certainly worthy of it. I guess it must take a few generations for our illusions about how wonderful we are to whither and fade. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 Sure, and Russia loves freedom so much they like to help out in all kinds of places too. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 But, but, but....FIFY. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted March 20, 2015 Report Share Posted March 20, 2015 You remind me of that old joke: Russian (to American): Russia is great country! American: USA is greater. You can stand in front of the White House and yell "down with Obama" and you won't get sent to a prison camp. Russian: You can do that in Russia too. Next time I'm at Kremlin I will yell "down with Obama" and you will see I no get sent to prison camp. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 Maybe Edward Snowden tells it better. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 I'm sure he will once he gets back to the U.S. as even he realizes he has picked the wrong refuge point. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Russia is worse than a point of refuge when it's cited as a reason for Western interference in the ME and surrounding region. It's a cop out. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2015/03/16/neoliberal-variants-have-dominated-europes-history-but-they-have-paved-the-way-for-a-new-conception-of-human-progress/ If people only understood neo-liberalism and the damage it's doing. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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