Keepitsimple Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 I am fighting for this country and if we were half the people we tell ourselves our grandparents were our national identity and character would've been shaped by speaking truth to super-power on the global stage decades ago...not following it around like a lost sick puppy. You're looking through a very narrow lens - with no perspective at all. You might as well throw your tantrums at the Scandinavian countries as well - countries that the Left in Canada hold in high regard - Sweden, Denmark, Norway.....they too have been active allies in the battle against extremism - and are facing some of the same growing pains in absorbing an increasing number of Muslim immigrants. Why not throw in Belgium for good measure? Are they all s**t as well? Don't forget, Canada allows dual citizenship......if you hate it so much, why not apply for citizenship in another country - and by the way - where would that be? Quote Back to Basics
PIK Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 Eye ball I do not think out grandfathers, especially the ones that fought in the war, were fighting for trudeaus new vision of Canada, they would be disgusted at the way he sold out English Canada and the country its self. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
eyeball Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 You're looking through a very narrow lens - with no perspective at all.It's narrow alright. We need to look to mountain sheep on how to traverse the narrow high roads.You might as well throw your tantrums at the Scandinavian countries as well - countries that the Left in Canada hold in high regard - Sweden, Denmark, Norway.....they too have been active allies in the battle against extremism - and are facing some of the same growing pains in absorbing an increasing number of Muslim immigrants. Why not throw in Belgium for good measure? Are they all s**t as well?If you're in for a penny you're in for a pound. If you were taking about a network of terror you wouldn't be wasting any time talking about how tough they've had it.Don't forget, Canada allows dual citizenship......if you hate it so much, why not apply for citizenship in another country - and by the way - where would that be?I've said it before and I'll say it again how about you get your crappy countries off my planet instead? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Wilber Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 Exactly - because now he can't be treated as an Egyption citizen and can be deported as a foreigner, just like Peter Greste, the Australian. That's always been the sticking point of this case. Of course he can be treated like an Egyptian citizen. If a dual Canadian citizen is charged with a crime in Canada, do you really think he can just say, I'm going to give up my Canadian citizenship so you have to let me go? Get real. That's just trying to avoid accountability in one country by using using your citizenship in the other and wouldn't fly anywhere. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Topaz Posted March 2, 2015 Author Report Posted March 2, 2015 Let's not forget the millions of taxpayer $$ were spent when Harper aided the Jewish people from Canada, who were in harms way in Israel a couple years ago by flying them home. Quote
Wilber Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 Let's not forget the millions of taxpayer $$ were spent when Harper aided the Jewish people from Canada, who were in harms way in Israel a couple years ago by flying them home. Actually, they weren't Jews and the country was Lebanon. 94 million to evacuate 15,000. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
eyeball Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 Of course he can be treated like an Egyptian citizen.What's stopping us from simply treating him like a human being? It goes too hard against the grain? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Wilber Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) What's stopping us from simply treating him like a human being? It goes too hard against the grain? Nothing is stopping us but we have no jurisdiction over what happens to him. Some people seem to think that Canadian citizenship is some sort of magic force field that if we give it to them, overrides all other citizenships they may have. Edited March 2, 2015 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
eyeball Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 People had good reason to think that when Canada still had some moral suasion back in the day. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Wilber Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 People had good reason to think that when Canada still had some moral suasion back in the day. Well EB, you are continually going on about the evil West interfering in the affairs of those poor Muslim countries and now you want Canada to do just that when it comes to Egypt and one of its own citizens. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
eyeball Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 Yah. Interfere... / facepalm Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Wilber Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 Yah. Interfere... / facepalm Ya, interfere. You and others want us to say, we don't care about your laws and citizenship, he has Canadian citizenship so let him go. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
PIK Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 Topaz, keep up. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
On Guard for Thee Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 Canada should revoke his citizenship. It's obvious that he doesn't love Canada and only using us. Break Egyptian laws, do Egyptian jail time. I do not see the problem. Even the most liked comments on the cbc say keep him in Egypt. So people here who are wanting him back in Canada are in a very small minority of Canadians overall. They're just jumping up and down a lot, throwing a tantrum and holding their breath. Pretty obvious who is throwing the tantrum here. He is qualified as a Canadian citizen under Canadian law, thats how he got his Canadian passport. Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) Pretty obvious who is throwing the tantrum here. He is qualified as a Canadian citizen under Canadian law, thats how he got his Canadian passport. So if it was the other way around youd support that too? Say he committed a crime in Canada and gave up his Canadian citizenship so Egypt could get him freed. Youd be ok with this? Edited March 2, 2015 by LemonPureLeaf Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 So if it was the other way around youd support that too? Say he committed a crime in Canada and gave up his Canadian citizenship so Egypt could get him freed. Youd be ok with this? Well obviously it would depend on the crime. If all he had done was write a report that favored one government party over another, I wouldnt lose a lot of sleep over it, would you... Quote
Keepitsimple Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 Of course he can be treated like an Egyptian citizen. If a dual Canadian citizen is charged with a crime in Canada, do you really think he can just say, I'm going to give up my Canadian citizenship so you have to let me go? Get real. That's just trying to avoid accountability in one country by using using your citizenship in the other and wouldn't fly anywhere. You might be right. I was of the impression that it was a "deal" that was made by the Egyptians......but who really knows how these countries operate. There are some wilfully blind posters on this forum that think his Egyptian citizenship is irrelevent. Quote Back to Basics
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) Well obviously it would depend on the crime. If all he had done was write a report that favored one government party over another, I wouldnt lose a lot of sleep over it, would you... Not really but the point is that you dont think we should be involved in other countries affairs but you're ok with us acting like colonialists telling African countries what to do and that we don't respect their laws. Should we wear pith helmets while doing this? Edited March 2, 2015 by LemonPureLeaf Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 Not really but the point is that you dont think we should be involved in other countries affairs but you're ok with us acting like colonialists telling African countries what to do and that we don't respect their laws. Should we wear pith helmets while doing this? In fact he will be deported under Egyptian law, not our law,so you dont need to get your pith helmet on yet. Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) In fact he will be deported under Egyptian law, not our law,so you dont need to get your pith helmet on yet. this guy is just like Ignatieff in Canada, he's just visiting. Edited March 2, 2015 by LemonPureLeaf Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 this guy is just like Ignatieff in Canada, he's just visiting. I dont hear anyone screaming to take back Ignatieffs passport. Quote
Smallc Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 Actually, they weren't Jews and the country was Lebanon. 94 million to evacuate 15,000. Why worry about facts when you can use it as a way to bash Harper? Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) I dont hear anyone screaming to take back Ignatieffs passport. Canada lets in all the worlds garbage anyways so what's one more? All we can do is try to not live near the threat centres where terrorists are more likely to gather. Terrorists are trying to destroy our way of life. We need c51 very quickly PM. Please hurry PM. Too much potential terrorists are already here. Protect the citizEns or allow them more relaxed gun laws so they can kill terrorists themsselves.Omar Khadr and niw this scum... Edited March 2, 2015 by LemonPureLeaf Quote
Wilber Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 You might be right. I was of the impression that it was a "deal" that was made by the Egyptians......but who really knows how these countries operate. There are some wilfully blind posters on this forum that think his Egyptian citizenship is irrelevent. Well if there was a deal it should be honoured but has any Egyptian official ever confirmed a deal was made? There may have been some "understandings" between officials but did these people have the authority to make an actual deal? We don't know. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted March 2, 2015 Report Posted March 2, 2015 this guy is just like Ignatieff in Canada, he's just visiting. Maybe but as far as we know he has done nothing to warrant taking away his Canadian passport. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
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