Bill C-51: Federal Anti-Terror Legislation polling results

[Smallc]

Really? Then why do you say that we have to become 'more efficient'?

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Because healthcare costs are rising faster than revenues. We have to do better.

[On Guard for Thee]

The Martin program ended March 31, 2014.

It did but Harper extended it until 2016 17

[Keepitsimple]

Because healthcare costs are rising faster than revenues. We have to do better.

They don't get it Smallc.........they are part of a shrinking (thank God) minority) that thinks we can just keep throwing money at things - deficit spending is just fine with these folks. Saner people like Don Drummond have blown the whistle, loud and clear. I don't hold much hope for Ontario with Wynne-bag in charge.....but the bills always come due sooner or later, so Canada as a whole should treat Ontario as the canary in the coal mine:

Don Drummond, former chief economist at TD Bank, released a report through the C.D. Howe Institute on the state of Canada's health care system. He warns that Ontario's rising health care costs will consume the provincial budget by 2030 if left unchecked.

Link: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/314644

[Argus]

They don't get it Smallc.........they are part of a shrinking (thank God) minority) that thinks we can just keep throwing money at things

Don't forget more than a third of Canadians pay no income taxes. Why wouldn't they advocate throwing more money at everything, and simply raising taxes to make it up?

[jacee]

Because healthcare costs are rising faster than revenues. We have to do better.

And health care costs are rising faster than funding:

"Billions" 'increases' and 'biggest ever' budgets ... still aren't meeting the demands for service, and thus deliver less per person.

An increase isn't always an improvement.

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[Bryan]

And health care costs are rising faster than funding:

"Billions" 'increases' and 'biggest ever' budgets ... still aren't meeting the demands for service, and thus deliver less per person.

An increase isn't always an improvement.

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Lack of funding isn't always the problem either. Governments have a habit of thinking that just adding more money is a solution to anything. When budgets are ballooning out of control, but outcomes are actually getting worse (as is the case in most provinces), it's pretty obvious that lack of money is not the actual problem. Just because you spend too much, that doesn't mean you are not funded enough.

[Keepitsimple]

And health care costs are rising faster than funding:

"Billions" 'increases' and 'biggest ever' budgets ... still aren't meeting the demands for service, and thus deliver less per person.

An increase isn't always an improvement.

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So......since you've already sniffed at Smallc's comment that we have to get more efficient, what is it that you suggest. If you can't throw more money at it - and you seem to think we're already efficient - what exactly do you suggest? Enlighten us.

[Je suis Omar]

So......since you've already sniffed at Smallc's comment that we have to get more efficient, what is it that you suggest. If you can't throw more money at it - and you seem to think we're already efficient - what exactly do you suggest? Enlighten us.

Not so much thread drift.

[jacee]

So......since you've already sniffed at Smallc's comment that we have to get more efficient, what is it that you suggest. If you can't throw more money at it - and you seem to think we're already efficient - what exactly do you suggest? Enlighten us.

I think it's irresponsible to mislead people by propagandizing about 'increases' that are known to be not sufficient to meet the needs.

Gullible seniors don't realize that those much touted 'increases' actually amount to DECREASES in per person funding and services, as demand and costs grow.

To keep his senior support, Harper has to DECEIVE them with bafflegab about 'increases'. This is crucial for Harper, as seniors have threatened rebellion before on this issue.

A number of cpc schills are pushing the party bafflegab of overall 'increases' and refusing to address the decreases in per person services/funding.

And Omar is right that this is thread drift.

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Edited April 9, 2015 by jacee

[overthere]

^^^^ the usual unproductive, partisan baloney about a subject that no politicians will address directly or honestly. For that matter, neither will most citizens beyond the rote platitudes and lies.

The problem is that there will never be enough money to keep everybody alive forever, yet the demand for services to do just that never abates. We live much longer than ever before, and we expect an all out effort from our health care system to keep every one of us alive for a few more hours, days, or weeks.The technology and drugs are grotesquely expensive and will only increase in cost as medical advances are made, demographics are skewed and even heavier demands are made.

We as nation are unable to even have a mature conversation about the reality which is that every province will have to carefully define what services it will fund. If we want to increase funding, other services will inevitably have to decrease. Our system as it evolves now is unsustainable, and the pressure felt now will increase dramatically with the huge wave of boomers about to drown the health system and strain budgets far more than today.

[cybercoma]

The problem is that there will never be enough money to keep everybody alive forever

That's some pretty wild hyperbole. I don't even think it's possible to keep people alive forever. Edited April 9, 2015 by cybercoma

[Charles Anthony]

Guys,

Stop feeding the thread drift.

Ch. A.

[Bryan]

Drift is good. It's a nice organic conversation.

[eyeball]

How on Earth are governments and sycophants expected to dispence with the causes of terrorism without topic drift?

[jacee]

Bill C-51: Support For Anti-Terror Legislation Still Dropping, Poll Suggests

According to numbers from Forum Research, released Thursday, 56 per cent of those aware of Bill C-51 disapprove of the legislation, while 33 per cent support it.

A Forum poll released just weeks ago showed 50 per cent of those aware of the bill disapproved, with 38 per cent in favour.

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Forum Research president Lorne Bozinoff said in the poll summary. The need for the bill is seen to be diminishing, and voters recognize some provisions may impact their lives in ways they dont like.

With an election approaching, the government would be well-advised to determine whether this bill is the hill they want to stake themselves out on.

Anybody care to speculate on Harper's election strategy?

Did he really think Canadians are all stupid and paranoid enough to support massive violations of civil rights in a failed effort to prevent attacks by lone wolf crazies?

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Edited April 12, 2015 by jacee

[GostHacked]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/cse-worried-about-how-its-use-of-canadian-metadata-might-be-viewed-1.3040816

This one is for Micheal H. Metadata.

Canada's electronic spy agency fretted over how its collection of cellphone and email metadata might be perceived even before CBC published a story on the agency using Wi-Fi data to track airport passengers, new documents obtained by CBC reveal.

A Communications Security Establishment employee warned in an email several days before the CBC story aired that public knowledge of the top-secret experiment, which followed passengers at a major Canadian international airport using their electronic footprints, "would be damaging" to the agency by "putting into question" its collection of the metadata belonging to Canadians.

CBC News Investigates: More stories, photos, videos

"There was some internal squirming by CSE around the fact that they had used Canadian metadata to build the analytical model, and had done so over a protracted period," says national security expert and University of Ottawa professor Wesley Wark.

The electronic surveillance agency came under increased scrutiny in the weeks following the Jan. 30, 2014 airing and publication of the CBC story, which was based on a document obtained by U.S. whistleblower Edward Snowden and analyzed in collaboration with the U.S. news site The Intercept.

In retrospect, whenever I flew for my last job and used my work computer at the airport, everything was being tracked. There are also those microphones in the airports. Possibly that was what heard me say something coming back from Vancouver one time. I was wearing shorts, and a tank top and sandals. I mentioned to my pal that the Americans have to take off their shoes. As soon as I walked through the metal detector, I was flagged for some extra pat downs. Coincidence? You decide.

[jacee]

When budgets are ballooning out of control, but outcomes are actually getting worse (as is the case in most provinces) ...

Link?

[jacee]

So......since you've already sniffed at Smallc's comment that we have to get more efficient, what is it that you suggest. If you can't throw more money at it - and you seem to think we're already efficient - what exactly do you suggest? Enlighten us.

I suggest per person funding be maintained, with appropriate increases for costs/inflation.

We can't avoid the coming need for services by aging boomers. Plan and fund for them ... now!

Stop the stupid pretense that 'more' is enough.

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Edited April 22, 2015 by jacee

[jacee]

60 Canadian Business Leaders Sign Letter Against Bill C-51

Daniel Tencer

The Huffington Post Canada Posted: 04/21/15 04:34 PM ET Updated: 04/21/15 05:59 PM ET

It looks like the digital world is lining up against the Harper governments Bill C-51.

A group of prominent executives from many of Canadas tech companies has signed a letter addressed to Prime Minister Stephen Harper, asking him to scrap this reckless, dangerous and ineffective legislation.

The bill could harm Canadas economy by undermining international trust in Canadian businesses and jeopardizing the countrys online presence, the business leaders said in the letter published Wednesday.

Bill C-51 provides too much leeway for the Canadian Security and Intelligence Service (CSIS) to take unjustified actions against our businesses, including the takedown of websites, the letter states.

Edited April 23, 2015 by jacee

[webc5]

When is the house of commons voting on Bill C51?