Bill C-51: Federal Anti-Terror Legislation polling results

[Je suis Omar]

Je suis Omar, on 06 Apr 2015 - 3:28 PM, said:

This, is despicable. You think those Canadian military men deserved to die at the hands of extremists goes beyond anything I care to discuss.

In the words of Father Zoolander, `you`re dead to me boy`.

This isn't a matter of "deserved to die" at all. It isn't me justifying those killings. There is no justification for terrorist actions from Canada, the USA, ISIS, CSIS, CIA, Australia, ... .

Causation is another matter and only fools and their equally foolish supporters deny that.

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https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/10/22/canada-proclaiming-war-12-years-shocked-someone-attacked-soldiers/

TORONTO In Quebec on Monday, two Canadian soldiers were hit by a car driven by Martin Couture-Rouleau, a 25-year-old Canadian who, as The Globe and Mail reported, converted to Islam recently and called himself Ahmad Rouleau. One of the soldiers died, as did Couture-Rouleau when he was shot by police upon apprehension after allegedly brandishing a large knife. Police speculated that the incident was deliberate, alleging the driver waited for two hours before hitting the soldiers, one of whom was wearing a uniform. The incident took place in the parking lot of a shopping mall 30 miles southeast of Montreal, a few kilometres from the Collège militaire royal de Saint-Jean, the military academy operated by the Department of National Defence.

The right-wing Canadian government wasted no time in seizing on the incident to promote its fear-mongering agenda over terrorism, which includes pending legislation to vest its intelligence agency, CSIS, with more spying and secrecy powers in the name of fighting ISIS. A government spokesperson asserted clear indications that the driver had become radicalized.

In a clearly prearranged exchange, a conservative MP, during parliamentary question time, asked Prime Minister Stephen Harper (pictured above) whether this was considered a terrorist attack; in reply, the prime minister gravely opined that the incident was obviously extremely troubling. Canadas Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney pronounced the incident clearly linked to terrorist ideology, while newspapers predictably followed suit, calling it a suspected terrorist attack and homegrown terrorism. CSIS spokesperson Tahera Mufti said the event was the violent expression of an extremist ideology promoted by terrorist groups with global followings and added: That something like this would happen in a peaceable Canadian community like Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu shows the long reach of these ideologies.

In sum, the national mood and discourse in Canada is virtually identical to what prevails in every Western country whenever an incident like this happens: shock and bewilderment that someone would want to bring violence to such a good and innocent country (a peaceable Canadian community like Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu), followed by claims that the incident shows how primitive and savage is the terrorist ideology of extremist Muslims, followed by rage and demand for still more actions of militarism and freedom-deprivation. There are two points worth making about this:

First, Canada has spent the last 13 years proclaiming itself a nation at war. It actively participated in the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and was an enthusiastic partner in some of the most extremist War on Terror abuses perpetrated by the U.S. Earlier this month, the Prime Minister revealed, with the support of a large majority of Canadians, that Canada is poised to go to war in Iraq, as [he] announced plans in Parliament [] to send CF-18 fighter jets for up to six months to battle Islamic extremists. Just yesterday, Canadian Defence Minister Rob Nicholson flamboyantly appeared at the airfield in Alberta from which the fighter jets left for Iraq and stood tall as he issued the standard Churchillian war rhetoric about the noble fight against evil.

[Keepitsimple]

What kind of a strange logic is that?

Accept a bill that the federal privacy commissioner and all provincial privacy commissioners have all slammed, because "it may not be as bad... and then we can change it later... if we want"

If we disagree with it, we should voice our opinion before it is passed. This is what a true democracy is about.

Of course you can disagree with it - and if enough people think it's a big deal - among other things - maybe Harper won't even get back in and hey, as I said - that's democracy too. But it looks like the Tories are gaining steam so I'm saying that even with that, if your fears and predictions come anywhere close to being realized, Canadians will throw the bums out then......and I would be right alongside them.

[On Guard for Thee]

Of course you can disagree with it - and if enough people think it's a big deal - among other things - maybe Harper won't even get back in and hey, as I said - that's democracy too. But it looks like the Tories are gaining steam so I'm saying that even with that, if your fears and predictions come anywhere close to being realized, Canadians will throw the bums out then......and I would be right alongside them.

Actually in the latest polling, Harper is losing ground to Trudeau, both the men, and their parties.

[Smallc]

Actually in the latest polling, Harper is losing ground to Trudeau, both the men, and their parties.

Based on the latest poll (today) the Conservatives are ahead by 4 points.

[Keepitsimple]

Actually in the latest polling, Harper is losing ground to Trudeau, both the men, and their parties.

Can you show the "latest polling". Perhaps I missed something......but regardless, if Harper and his "attack on the rights of Canadians" is anywhere near as frightening as the Left insists, then he'll be gone sooner than later. Democracy tends to work that way.....but it also tends to turn a deaf ear to the faux-rages of the Left - or Right.

[Bryan]

Based on the latest poll (today) the Conservatives are ahead by 4 points.

And that's an EKOS poll too. Their polls generally over-report left of center support (federally and provincially).

[On Guard for Thee]

And that's an EKOS poll too. Their polls generally over-report left of center support (federally and provincially).

And it shows Harper with the worst approval rating of all leaders, while C 51 continues to plummet.

[On Guard for Thee]

Can you show the "latest polling". Perhaps I missed something......but regardless, if Harper and his "attack on the rights of Canadians" is anywhere near as frightening as the Left insists, then he'll be gone sooner than later. Democracy tends to work that way.....but it also tends to turn a deaf ear to the faux-rages of the Left - or Right.

So you think that the increasing drop in support for C 51 is just to do with the left do you. So the I guess one would have to assume from that logic that pollsters only poll people on the left. Dont think so.

[jbg]

But yet you support the greatest terrorists on the planet, the ones that have been terrorizing, poisoning, torturing, killing Cubans, Iraqis, afghans, Nicaraguans, Brazilians, Guatemalans, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Filipinos, Chinese, Laotians, Hawaiians, ... for over a century.

And don't forget Native Americans.

And you don't see the huge disconnect in your thinking?

Just breathtaking., As if the Khmer Rouge government sang Kumbaya real well. Most of the other ones you listed were pretty bad as well.

[Smallc]

And it shows Harper with the worst approval rating of all leaders, while C 51 continues to plummet.

And still...Winning. This time around the Conservatives only need about 35 - 36 for a majority.

[On Guard for Thee]

And still...Winning. This time around the Conservatives only need about 35 - 36 for a majority.

Another Harper majority is a very scary thought. It doesnt look like Canadians will let that happen. And I have noticed JT has been getting to his feet in QP lately and throwing his paper down and pinning Harpers ears to the wall in ways similar to how Mulcair has been doing it for so long. If he keeps that up, C 51 continues to plummet in its approval, and the dirt on Duffy gets exposed, Harper and co. just could be on their way to the exits.

[Smallc]

Harper should be losing badly after this many years in government. The fact that he's ahead speaks to his own political skill, his continued support, and the ineptitude of this opposition.

[On Guard for Thee]

Harper should be losing badly after this many years in government. The fact that he's ahead speaks to his own political skill, his continued support, and the ineptitude of this opposition.

Perhaps after C 51 gets rammed through and then gets chucked at the SC people will say enough of wasting time and money as Harper once again tries to garner a few votes from people who are hiding under their beds.

[Smallc]

Perhaps after C 51 gets rammed through and then gets chucked at the SC people will say enough of wasting time and money as Harper once again tries to garner a few votes from people who are hiding under their beds.

Or perhaps people will vote for the only adult in the room?

[On Guard for Thee]

Or perhaps people will vote for the only adult in the room?

No I dont think Canada is ready for an NDP government just yet.

[Smallc]

No I dont think Canada is ready for an NDP government just yet.

Sorry, functional adult.

[On Guard for Thee]

Sorry, functional adult.

Perhaps you didnt read my prior post.

[Bryan]

No I dont think Canada is ready for an NDP government just yet.

It's true. Canadians have seen the damage NDP governments have done at the provincial level, and are not ready to have that extended to the national level.

[On Guard for Thee]

It's true. Canadians have seen the damage NDP governments have done at the provincial level, and are not ready to have that extended to the national level.

Well you misinterpreted the post of course, but thats fine. Canadians are also seeing the damage the CPC gov is currently doing at the national level, which is why the plls are dropping. But yeehaw, Duffy gets underway tomorrow. You know there is a lot of muck to be raked there. Watch the polls as that unfolds.

[Smallc]

Well you misinterpreted the post of course, but thats fine. Canadians are also seeing the damage the CPC gov is currently doing at the national level, which is why the plls are dropping.

They're dropping in your head. They aren't really dropping anywhere else.

[On Guard for Thee]

They're dropping in your head. They aren't really dropping anywhere else.

Just keep thinking that. All will be fine.

[Smallc]

Just keep thinking that. All will be fine.

I'll be perfectly fine with a Liberal government, because they'll govern a lot like the government we have now. At current, that's far less likely than a Conservative government.

[On Guard for Thee]

I'll be perfectly fine with a Liberal government, because they'll govern a lot like the government we have now. At current, that's far less likely than a Conservative government.

So willI. And hopefully it happens before Harper gets his gut healthcare progra underway, which starts next year I believe.

[Bryan]

By "gut" healthcare, you mean continuing to expand on the largest increases the program has ever had?

[Smallc]

So willI. And hopefully it happens before Harper gets his gut healthcare progra underway, which starts next year I believe.

Yes, you've tried to pedal that false hood more than once.