Mighty AC Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) Are Muslims mostly responsible for terrorism? Not even close!! http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html- In Europe Islam is responsible for less than 2% of all terrorist attacks. - In the US, Islam has been responsible for less than 6%- Both Christianity and Judaism are responsible for more terrorist acts, yet still pale in comparison to the leading ethno-nationalist and separatists movement. - 1 in 5 US abortion clinics have been attacked by Christians, yet these savages are almost never referred to as Christian terrorists.- Since 9/11, 37 people in the US have been killed during terrorist attacks, while 190,000 have just been murdered.- Americans are more likely to be killed by a toddler than a terrorist of any stripe. In 2013, 3 people in the US were killed by terrorists, while 5 were killed by a toddler with a gun. But according to the narrative guns aren't a problem, Muslims are. - In fact, Americans are as likely to be crushed by at television or piece of furniture as they are killed by a terrorist of any stripe. And far more likely to be killed by their TV than a terrorist with religious motivations."Keep 'em scared and keep 'em stupid!" we are all being played here. Edited February 19, 2015 by Mighty AC Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) You've got it all wrong AC... the jihadists are around every corner!! More jihadist attacks likely, Kenney says http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/more-jihadist-attacks-likely-kenney-says-defending-anti-terror-bill/article23070749/ Edited February 19, 2015 by The_Squid Quote Science flies you to the moon, Religion flies you into buildings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 What is considered an "attack" on an abortion clinic? I never hear about them in the news. Must be because the mainstream media is so pro-life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Anyways, this continued effort to pretend that there isn't, at this point in time, a major issue with Islamic extremism is pie in the sky thinking. Or its purposely done be people who don't want to feel like their piling on a visible minority. Regardless, it's denialism at it's worst. Akin to climate denial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty AC Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) Anyways, this continued effort to pretend that there isn't, at this point in time, a major issue with Islamic extremism is pie in the sky thinking. Or its purposely done be people who don't want to feel like their piling on a visible minority. Regardless, it's denialism at it's worst. Akin to climate denial. Yes, you are in denial. You are more likely to be killed by your TV set, yet the Harper government stripping away your privacy rights and selling it on the fear of an almost nonexistent problem. The evidence shows us that we are being lied to on this topic. Why do you think that is? Edited February 19, 2015 by Mighty AC Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Yes, you are in denial. You are more likely to be killed by your TV set, yet the Harper government stripping away your privacy rights and selling it on the fear of an almost nonexistent problem. The evidence shows us that we are being lied to on this topic. Why do you think that is? I haven't lost any real privacy rights. Nobody has. And I'm not being lied to because I make my own decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty AC Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 I haven't lost any real privacy rights. Nobody has. And I'm not being lied to because I make my own decisions. How sound are your decisions when based on false information? Really wanting to believe something doesn't make it true. When a group your support presents falsehoods, hold them accountable. Failing to do so leads to ideological decision making not grounded in evidence and that is dangerous for everyone. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 How sound are your decisions when based on false information? Really wanting to believe something doesn't make it true. When a group your support presents falsehoods, hold them accountable. Failing to do so leads to ideological decision making not grounded in evidence and that is dangerous for everyone. I can judge for myself and don't rely on information provided to me by the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 I can judge for myself and don't rely on information provided to me by the government. But you will be forced to abide by laws provided to you by the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 But you will be forced to abide by laws provided to you by the government. And laws can be changed, and governments voted out of office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted February 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) Not by anyone with more than about 20 IQ. The targets on 911 were very specific... The planes themselves were just used as weapons... The terrorists would have been just fine if they were empty.You have to recognize the psychological effects of the methods they used. Hijacking an airliner and using it as a weapon is meant to terrify innocent civilians, regardless of whether the target was military (the Pentagon) or not (the WTC). Edited February 19, 2015 by cybercoma Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 And laws can be changed, and governments voted out of office. Better, and smarter to get it right in the first place Id say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted February 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 I dont always agree with Andrew Coyne, but when i sometimes do he is insulting idiots that don't think terrorism exists. Literally. http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/18/andrew-coyne-terrorisms-threat-doesnt-justify-all-special-measures-but-it-does-justify-some/ "Terrorism is not a one-off, a blip of murderous frenzy that appears out of nowhere and as suddenly disappears. It is ongoing, organized, often meticulously planned, a systematic challenge to democratic society. That doesn’t justify any and all measures aimed at preventing it. It does justify some." Worth reading in full for those of us who still manage something approaching reason on the subject. That quote you posted is also an inadequate definition as there's all sorts of organized crime, which often includes bloody and violent activities, that are not considered terrorism. The mafia in their heyday were never considered terrorists. We might look back and through the process of articulating what terrorism really is reflect upon it and say they're "domestic terrorists," but that's not a common thought or narrative. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted February 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Anyways, this continued effort to pretend that there isn't, at this point in time, a major issue with Islamic extremism is pie in the sky thinking. Or its purposely done be people who don't want to feel like their piling on a visible minority. Regardless, it's denialism at it's worst. Akin to climate denial.You're putting down climate denial now? lol Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) Yeah the last thing the Conservatives might want to do just before they lose again is undo everything they've done. If people for example thought Liberal run human rights commissions were a nightmare just imagine how much they'll like Liberal inflammatory rhetoric or radical speech commissions. (Edited to address inflammatory rhetoric concerns of MLW management.) Edited February 19, 2015 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Better, and smarter to get it right in the first place Id say. Yes, if we assume that it's wrong from the first place.. I don't agree with that premise. We can agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIP Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Is divestment from the oil sands 'terrorism'? I'll bet Harper thinks so. (See my post above ) It's certainly much more effective than protesting. what-the-divestment-movement-could-mean-for-alberta-and-canada/ Second, the article claimed: But investment decisions for university endowments must be based on one thing: which investments will bring the best financial returns. In other words, maximize portfolio returns. Although we doubt all university endowments share a single investment strategy, is there evidence that divestment harms returns? Again, the answer is no. A comparison of the MSCI ACWI IMI index, which covers some 99 per cent of the global equity universe, with an index that excluded 247 fossil fuel reserve-owning companies found a return differential of 1.2 per cent in favor of the ex Carbon list, as well as a potential reduction in overall portfolio risk. By simply excluding fossil fuels from their portfolios, universities can meet or beat the market while reducing overall risk. This is why everyone who honestly values freedom should be immediately suspicious about all governments wanting laws to protect us from terrorism! In the U.S., the so called Patriot Act has been invoked against all kinds of activists, from anti-pipeline and anti-fracking to anti-factory farms to Occupy Wall Street....and likely many others I've overlooked. Once a nebulous and ill-defined term like "terrorism" is trotted out as an excuse to curb free speech and allow arbitrary incarceration and show trials, then the greatest terrorist threat is homegrown alright......right form our own governments! Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIP Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 Are Muslims mostly responsible for terrorism? Not even close!! http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/14/are-all-terrorists-muslims-it-s-not-even-close.html - In Europe Islam is responsible for less than 2% of all terrorist attacks. - In the US, Islam has been responsible for less than 6% - Both Christianity and Judaism are responsible for more terrorist acts, yet still pale in comparison to the leading ethno-nationalist and separatists movement. - 1 in 5 US abortion clinics have been attacked by Christians, yet these savages are almost never referred to as Christian terrorists. - Since 9/11, 37 people in the US have been killed during terrorist attacks, while 190,000 have just been murdered. - Americans are more likely to be killed by a toddler than a terrorist of any stripe. In 2013, 3 people in the US were killed by terrorists, while 5 were killed by a toddler with a gun. But according to the narrative guns aren't a problem, Muslims are. - In fact, Americans are as likely to be crushed by at television or piece of furniture as they are killed by a terrorist of any stripe. And far more likely to be killed by their TV than a terrorist with religious motivations. "Keep 'em scared and keep 'em stupid!" we are all being played here. They're not terrorists if they don't have beards and carry a Quran with them! Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 19, 2015 Report Share Posted February 19, 2015 In the U.S., the so called Patriot Act has been invoked against all kinds of activists, from anti-pipeline and anti-fracking to anti-factory farms to Occupy Wall Street.... It's not so called...USA PATRIOT Act of 2001....Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 It's not so called...USA PATRIOT Act of 2001....Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001. I think we all knew that. Are you trying to make a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochy Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 This is why everyone who honestly values freedom should be immediately suspicious about all governments wanting laws to protect us from terrorism! Well, i suppose the only answer is anarchy, unless you want to tell us exactly the right amount of law we should have, or it couldn't be that like for most of you, concern for this new law is just a red herring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty AC Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) Well, i suppose the only answer is anarchy, unless you want to tell us exactly the right amount of law we should have, or it couldn't be that like for most of you, concern for this new law is just a red herring. The red herring is using the fear of a non-existent terrorism problem to sell a reduction in freedom and privacy. Conservatives talk a big game about battling government intrusion, but they certainly love to increase state power over citizens. Edited February 20, 2015 by Mighty AC Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Congratulations to cybercoma for beginning this thread with the question, "What is Terrorism". Our Ministers in Ottawa have been scrambling in an attempt to describe the term. MacKay said the Halifax fiasco was not a terrorist act. Blaney, our Minister of Public Safety, said in parliament that it was a terrorist act - then later he said it was not a terrorist act. Finally, MacKay was asked again what was his definition of terrorism. He replied, "Look it up" and turned to walk away - when asked again "Where"? - he kept on walking. Now we are preparing to pass legislation based on "terrorism" with the creators of the bill unable to define the term. This is not a good thing. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIP Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 Well, i suppose the only answer is anarchy, unless you want to tell us exactly the right amount of law we should have, or it couldn't be that like for most of you, concern for this new law is just a red herring. Oh really? If we don't believe or trust our leaders acting in secret while claiming to be only acting in our best interests...we're anarchists. got it! Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIP Posted February 20, 2015 Report Share Posted February 20, 2015 The red herring is using the fear of a non-existent terrorism problem to sell a reduction in freedom and privacy. Conservatives talk a big game about battling government intrusion, but they certainly love to increase state power over citizens. Unfortunately, our fearless leaders are well aware about how irrational most people are when it comes to understanding and assessing possible risks. I'm reminded that in the aftermath of 9/11, two different university studies (conducted separately and unaware of each other) both concluded that twice as many people died on the roads and highways during the three months after 9/11, because of all of the people who were afraid to fly in case of another terrorist attack, and didn't realize that driving on the highway is the most dangerous thing an average person does! Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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