Keepitsimple Posted February 13, 2015 Report Posted February 13, 2015 The cat's officially out of the bag. Global Warming/Climate Change is not about stopping an imminent warming apocalypse - it's about transforming the world's economies. Draw your own conclusions - but this unelected body of nobodies has been given a free ride for far too long. It's downright scary - and I don't scare easily. The media better wake up soon. "This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model, for the first time in human history", Ms Figueres stated at a press conference in Brussels. "This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the industrial revolution. That will not happen overnight and it will not happen at a single conference on climate change, be it COP 15, 21, 40 - you choose the number. It just does not occur like that. It is a process, because of the depth of the transformation." Four goals Figueres, however, pointed out that the legal treaty is only one of four important parts of the process. In addition to the treaty, there are the current Climate Change actions from now and until 2020, the financing packages and the so-called Intended National Determined Contributions (INDCs). These are the actions that countries intend to take under a global agreement from 2020 and have to be publicly outlined before the start of the conference. It is expected that all major economies will deliver their plans in time: the US, China, and the European Union have already shown their cards. Link: http://www.unric.org/en/latest-un-buzz/29623-figueres-first-time-the-world-economy-is-transformed-intentionally Quote Back to Basics
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 13, 2015 Report Posted February 13, 2015 Well....he is right...it will not happen. Drill...baby...drill. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted February 14, 2015 Report Posted February 14, 2015 Brought to us by the ctastrophistic preachings of the Profits of the Church of Economic Alarmism. Takes an alarmist to alarm an alarmist I guess and once you've one you've seen em' all. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
poochy Posted February 14, 2015 Report Posted February 14, 2015 Brought to us by the ctastrophistic preachings of the Profits of the Church of Economic Alarmism. Takes an alarmist to alarm an alarmist I guess and once you've one you've seen em' all. O but climate alarmism, that's all 100% real and necessary. Quote
eyeball Posted February 14, 2015 Report Posted February 14, 2015 No it's only 97% real...or 84% or something. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Michael Hardner Posted February 14, 2015 Report Posted February 14, 2015 This is pretty much a bogeyman thread. "Cat's out of the bag" implies some kind of secret agenda... New World Order or something I'm guessing... The economies of the world do change, and will continue to change due to new energy sources, new capital flows, lots of reasons. No need to be afraid. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Wilber Posted February 14, 2015 Report Posted February 14, 2015 Anyone who thinks limiting the effects of climate change can be accomplished without changes in the way our economies work is dreaming. Better to have a plan than just try and make it up as you go along. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 14, 2015 Report Posted February 14, 2015 No it's only 97% real...or 84% or something. Personally, I hope it is 100% real....so it can be 100% ignored. Drill...baby...drill. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 The cat's officially out of the bag. Global Warming/Climate Change is not about stopping an imminent warming apocalypse - it's about transforming the world's economies. Draw your own conclusions - but this unelected body of nobodies has been given a free ride for far too long. It's downright scary - and I don't scare easily. The media better wake up soon. Link: http://www.unric.org/en/latest-un-buzz/29623-figueres-first-time-the-world-economy-is-transformed-intentionally Duh. Did you or anyone ever believe these AGW fairy tales? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 Anyone who thinks limiting the effects of climate change can be accomplished without changes in the way our economies work is dreaming. Better to have a plan than just try and make it up as you go along. Transferring wealth to Fourth World kleptocrats is really going to fix anything? Dream on. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Keepitsimple Posted February 15, 2015 Author Report Posted February 15, 2015 Duh. Did you or anyone ever believe these AGW fairy tales? Apparently there are a few on this forum.....the misrepresentations just keep on coming. 2014 - hottest year on record? Nor according to the satellite record - the only record that really matters. 2014 was 6th or 7th hottest. 1998 is still tops in the satellite record. Land temperature readings have been so compromised with "adjustments" over the last 20 years that they have little grounding in reality any more. Why bother investing millions in satellite temperature readings to ensure accuracy if you're not going to make them the gold-standard? Obvious, isn't it? Quote Back to Basics
jbg Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 2014 was 6th or 7th hottest. 1998 is still tops in the satellite record.I even doubt it was that hot. What I keep on saying, over and over again, is that the "global warming" events allegedly occur in remote areas where measurements are questionable and there is no real history to show the past. Does anyone really know what the weather in Coppermine/Kugluktuk, Northwest Territories, Canada was a century or two ago? Yet we're told that most warming has occurred in the high latitudes. My theory is they tell us that in order to deflect from the fact that weather in places like New York City, San Fransisco, Chicago or London is similar to the past. Land temperature readings have been so compromised with "adjustments" over the last 20 years that they have little grounding in reality any more. Why bother investing millions in satellite temperature readings to ensure accuracy if you're not going to make them the gold-standard? Obvious, isn't it?Don't forget about UHI. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
eyeball Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 Anyone who thinks limiting the effects of climate change can be accomplished without changes in the way our economies work is dreaming. No kidding. The trouble is believing that limiting the effects of climate change will result in a worse train wreck than doing nothing. Doing nothing will wreck the train, the tracks and we'll probably even lose the ties and much of the road bed too. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
WestCoastRunner Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 I wonder how the economies of United States and Canada will address the "Worst-megadroughts-in-1-000-years" that threaten the western portion of the U.S. This paper, to be released soon, discusses the research that was done to draw these conclusions. Among them: Parts of the US will likely face "megadroughts" worse than anything experienced in the past 1,000 years as a result of climate change, researchers have warned. They used tree ring samples and soil moisture measurements to make the comparison with previous eras. The researchers applied 17 different climate models to analyse the future impact of rising average temperatures on the regions, as well as comparing two different global warming scenarios - one with "business as usual" projecting a continued rise in emissions of the greenhouse gases that contribute to global warming and a second scenario in which emissions are moderated. According to the researchers, the effects of CO2 on higher average temperature and the subsequent connection to drying in the Southwest and Great Plains emerge as a "strong signal" across the majority of the models. The latest study joins a raft of research warning that businesses and investors in the region face significant long-term risks as a result of climate impacts. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 Interesting, but the U.S. southwest is suppose to be a desert. It was manipulated by dams and irrigation to support agricultural development. U.S. prairies are dotted with circular plots of irrigated farmland. All man-made...not "natural". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 I wonder how the economies of United States and Canada will address the "Worst-megadroughts-in-1-000-years" that threaten the western portion of the U.S. This paper, to be released soon, discusses the research that was done to draw these conclusions.Would your answer be to shut down the highways and industry? People call for "action" but never say what the "action" would entail since anyone hearing it would think that the speaker is nuts. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
On Guard for Thee Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 No it's only 97% real...or 84% or something. Closer to 97 according to the peer reviewed studies. Maybe if we adjust our economies we wont be having thousands of people all of a sudden out of work when somebody like the Saudis decide they want to put us out of business with a flood of cheap oil. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 Would your answer be to shut down the highways and industry? People call for "action" but never say what the "action" would entail since anyone hearing it would think that the speaker is nuts. Why would you say that's my answer? I didn't imply that in the slightest. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 Interesting, but the U.S. southwest is suppose to be a desert. It was manipulated by dams and irrigation to support agricultural development. U.S. prairies are dotted with circular plots of irrigated farmland. All man-made...not "natural". I agree. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
jbg Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 Why would you say that's my answer? I didn't imply that in the slightest.Then what "action" would you advocate? And while you're at it who pays, and how? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
WestCoastRunner Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 Then what "action" would you advocate? And while you're at it who pays, and how? I have no clue. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
jbg Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 Then what "action" would you advocate? And while you're at it who pays, and how?I have no clue.Good answer. None of the alarmists do. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
TimG Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) I have no clue.Then what is the point of calling for "action"? Seems like you are begging politicians to piss away money on pointless gestures to show they are "doing something". I personally think pissing away money to pretend we are doing something is waste because that money could be spent on something useful that actually helps people. Edited February 15, 2015 by TimG Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 Then what is the point of calling for "action"? Seems like you are begging politicians to piss away money on pointless gestures to show they are "doing something". I personally think pissing away money to pretend we are doing something is waste. Did you see anywhere in my post where I was begging politicians to piss away money? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 Good answer. None of the alarmists do. You mean scientists, right? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
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