Wilber Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 Transferring wealth to Fourth World kleptocrats is really going to fix anything? Dream on. I never said that but if you think there can be change in the rate of climate change without us changing anything, dream on. It's a moot question, climate will force changes in the way our economies work whether we like it or not. The question is, do we act while we can still have some control over the result, or do we just carry on and deal with what we get? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 Did you see anywhere in my post where I was begging politicians to piss away money? Doing anything to combat climate change is politicians pissing away money. Get used to it. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
jbg Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 I never said that but if you think there can be change in the rate of climate change without us changing anything, dream on. It's a moot question, climate will force changes in the way our economies work whether we like it or not. The question is, do we act while we can still have some control over the result, or do we just carry on and deal with what we get?How is "redistribution" to Fourth World kleptocrats going to slow or reverse climate change, even if it exists? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
On Guard for Thee Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 Luckily the naysayers are dwindling as the science continues to mount. Even China is starting to sit up and take notice. Quote
jbg Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 Luckily the naysayers are dwindling as the science continues to mount. Even China is starting to sit up and take notice.Yes. They promise, 15 years from now, to think about stabilizing emissions of GHG's. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
On Guard for Thee Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 Yes. They promise, 15 years from now, to think about stabilizing emissions of GHG's. Which is at least a good first step away from pretending all the science should just be ignored. Quote
WWWTT Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 I even doubt it was that hot. What I keep on saying, over and over again, is that the "global warming" events allegedly occur in remote areas where measurements are questionable and there is no real history to show the past. Does anyone really know what the weather in Coppermine/Kugluktuk, Northwest Territories, Canada was a century or two ago? Yet we're told that most warming has occurred in the high latitudes. My theory is they tell us that in order to deflect from the fact that weather in places like New York City, San Fransisco, Chicago or London is similar to the past. Don't forget about UHI. -25C in Brampton tonight and it's past the middle of February! When the polar ice caps melt forever, I'm guessing the Inuit in the Canadian arctic are going to open up a Sandals resort and I'm moving there! But watch, someone's going to say now that weather is not climate, or something like that, and somehow that's supposed to convince me that the polar bears are going to die off from heat stroke and the temperatures at the poles are going to get warmer than southern Ontario and 50% of the world's population is going to freekin die! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Wilber Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 How is "redistribution" to Fourth World kleptocrats going to slow or reverse climate change, even if it exists? You seem to be really hung up on this. For the record, I think that money spent on anything other than the actual reduction of emissions is a waste. The overwhelming bulk of existing science says it does exist so I don't know what it will take to convince you. I'll put you down as belonging to the deal with what we get camp even though you don't know what get is. Insha'Allah. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
WWWTT Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 Then what "action" would you advocate? And while you're at it who pays, and how? LOL just because WCR doesn't know doesn't mean the alarmist movement doesn't. They call for green energy. Not saying there's anything wrong with alternate sources of energy. Just don't expect the world to end tomorrow if you don't throw away your gas guzzling car. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Wilber Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 -25C in Brampton tonight and it's past the middle of February! When the polar ice caps melt forever, I'm guessing the Inuit in the Canadian arctic are going to open up a Sandals resort and I'm moving there! But watch, someone's going to say now that weather is not climate, or something like that, and somehow that's supposed to convince me that the polar bears are going to die off from heat stroke and the temperatures at the poles are going to get warmer than southern Ontario and 50% of the world's population is going to freekin die! WWWTT Half the ski hills on the west coast have shut down and one never opened. Warmest January in SoCal in years. Rain on two days since we got here at the beginning of January and the locals are really worried about this summer. So what's you point? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
WWWTT Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 Half the ski hills on the west coast have shut down and one never opened. Warmest January in SoCal in years. Rain on two days since we got here at the beginning of January and the locals are really worried about this summer. So what's you point? What happened to the "weather isn't climate" angle???? How about I start using that tactic now that you have abandoned it? You can always pick up on it when we have a cool summer here in southern Ontario. Keep the shell game of "where's its warm" going seems to be real popular among the supporters of global warming. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
On Guard for Thee Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 Apparently GW in southern Ontario has addled some brains. Quote
jbg Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 -25C in Brampton tonight and it's past the middle of February! When the polar ice caps melt forever, I'm guessing the Inuit in the Canadian arctic are going to open up a Sandals resort and I'm moving there! But watch, someone's going to say now that weather is not climate, or something like that, and somehow that's supposed to convince me that the polar bears are going to die off from heat stroke and the temperatures at the poles are going to get warmer than southern Ontario and 50% of the world's population is going to freekin die! WWWTT You seem to be spot on. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 You seem to be really hung up on this. For the record, I think that money spent on anything other than the actual reduction of emissions is a waste. The overwhelming bulk of existing science says it does exist so I don't know what it will take to convince you. I'll put you down as belonging to the deal with what we get camp even though you don't know what get is. Insha'Allah.I am "hung up" on this because of what the Kyoto and Copenhagen agreements, and the proposed likely Lima agreements say. Since it is unlikely that anyone will shut down their economies, massive penalties will be paid to these Fourth World governments. Read the documents. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
WWWTT Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 Apparently GW in southern Ontario has addled some brains. So weather is global warming now. Man, when's this stupid freekin spun out shell game going to freekin end?!?!?!?!??!?! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
On Guard for Thee Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 So weather is global warming now. Man, when's this stupid freekin spun out shell game going to freekin end?!?!?!?!??!?! WWWTT We have missed your humorous comments, sort of. Quote
Wilber Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) I am "hung up" on this because of what the Kyoto and Copenhagen agreements, and the proposed likely Lima agreements say. Since it is unlikely that anyone will shut down their economies, massive penalties will be paid to these Fourth World governments.Read the documents. So what do you suggest other than doing nothing? Edited February 16, 2015 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
eyeball Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 -25C in Brampton tonight and it's past the middle of February! Frogs are chirping, bugs are flying, cherry trees are blossoming and I was wearing a tee-shirt outside most of the day out on the coast. February is the new April and ski-hills notwithstanding I think the value of my property is increasing with the regional livability factor that comes with it. Under worst case scenarios you'll be able to watch the sun setting over the beach from my living room. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
jbg Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 So what do you suggest other than doing nothing?I really don't think any action on this problem needs to be taken. A lot needs to be done on conventional air pollution. How about a global treaty mandating that all exports be manufactured in a manner that reduces pollution 20% below 2010 levels? That's a place to start. I am sure that China and India will applaud. </sarcasm> Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
On Guard for Thee Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 Frogs are chirping, bugs are flying, cherry trees are blossoming and I was wearing a tee-shirt outside most of the day out on the coast. February is the new April and ski-hills notwithstanding I think the value of my property is increasing with the regional livability factor that comes with it. Under worst case scenarios you'll be able to watch the sun setting over the beach from my living room. I enjoyed the same weather and the same thoughts today. Let this property of mine jump up, then I sell and become a snowbird in Florida. I know it is sinking slowly as the antarctic ice melts, but I am into sailing so Ill be prepared. Quote
Wilber Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 I really don't think any action on this problem needs to be taken. A lot needs to be done on conventional air pollution. How about a global treaty mandating that all exports be manufactured in a manner that reduces pollution 20% below 2010 levels? That's a place to start.I am sure that China and India will applaud. </sarcasm> Why just exports? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
jbg Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 Why just exports?Good point. But you have to start somewhere. And there is an ability to enforce. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Wilber Posted February 16, 2015 Report Posted February 16, 2015 Good point. But you have to start somewhere. And there is an ability to enforce. Which of course will effect the cost of things you buy. There is no way around this without effecting the way our economy works. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
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