dre Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Canada does have religion freedoms and if these women who wear niqab want to wear them then what's the problem? They only have to go into a back room let another female official ID her and then she can become a citizen out front. The point to the swearing in is that she is really "X" that was seen in the back room. There more serious problems within Canada and this isn't one of them. This is just another salvo in the war against statistically insignificant problems. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Shady Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 They can become citizens just fine. It's their wives who can f*** right off. /s Not at all. It's just that certain things have to be done without your face covered. Citizenship, drivers licences, appearances in court, etc. it's just common sense. At least to the vast majority of Canadians. Quote
ironstone Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Today we have the niqab as the topic of discussion.For those of you who have no problem with it anywhere in Canada,how would you feel about sharia law in Canada?We came close to getting it here in Ontario under Dalton McGuinty. http://www.torontosun.com/2013/04/26/bad-advice-think-justin-trudeaus-instincts-are-scary-take-a-look-at-what-two-of-his-advisers-have-to-say One of his key adivisors wants it in Canada. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
Michael Hardner Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 We came close to getting it here in Ontario under Dalton McGuinty. Hyperbole in the extreme. We had the option of adding Muslim clerics to an existing arrangement whereby other religions were having disputes mediated by clerics, ie. Jews, Christians. Not 'we came close to Sharia law in Ontario'. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
ReeferMadness Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 You think this started with an Aussie? Is he the guy who convinced the PQ, then the Quebec Liberals to ban the niquab in all government buildings? You 'progressives' certainly do seem to have poor memories, though, in how shocked and appalled you are at this. It was only five years ago the Ontario Liberals did exactly the same thing. The Conservatives had suggested funding schools of other religions to equalize the fact the province funds Catholic schools. You know what the Liberal Party did? They ran a huge scare campaign which suggested the government would be funding Muslim madrasas that teach children extremism and hatred. They were completely unrepentant about it, too, and it was a huge help in winning them the election. I guess that would be relevant - assuming it's true, assuming the Liberals didn't actually have a point, if Liberals were progressive, if I ever voted Liberal and if I gave a crap about what happened in Ontario. Every time Harper does something disgraceful, you guys run around and look for an example of something someone else did - regardless of whether it's a good comparison or whether there is anything remotely relevant about it. Don't you get tired of defending this morally and ethically bankrupt group of odious people? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Every time Harper does something disgraceful, you guys run around and look for an example of something someone else did - regardless of whether it's a good comparison or whether there is anything remotely relevant about it. Don't you get tired of defending this morally and ethically bankrupt group of odious people? Every politician does this. Heck, Wynne was the master of this! A Liberal majority even during a gas plant scandal. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
ReeferMadness Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Every politician does this. Heck, Wynne was the master of this! A Liberal majority even during a gas plant scandal. Again with the Ontario politics. Maybe you can make a category for provincial politics. Oh, wait. There is one. Maybe the mods can help you find it. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
PIK Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) Reefer what has he done that is so disgraceful. Dis he swear at a cabinet minister or did he grab a protester by the throat or give citizens of the west the finger? Harper has done none of that, but yet when done by liberals people make hero's out of them. Edited October 3, 2015 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Michael Hardner Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Let's stick to the thread topic please. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
ReeferMadness Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 But do keep deflecting Harper's disgraces with irrelevant things. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 But do keep deflecting Harper's disgraces with irrelevant things. The point I was trying to make is that you somehow think that Harper deflecting things is bad, but if a member of the party you align yourself with does it, it's ok. Anyways, back to the topic at hand. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
PIK Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Show us reefer, is it a actuall disgrace or just that fact you don't like him. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
ReeferMadness Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Show us reefer, is it a actuall disgrace or just that fact you don't like him. The sum total of the disgraceful things Harper has done is well beyond this thread but I'll open another. In the context of this thread, Harper brought in an Australian with a reputation for race-baiting, divisive politics. Suddenly, the substantive issues have been dropped and we're talking about issues (the niqab is one example, the ridiculous barbaric cultural practices hotline is another) that are clearly designed to appeal to peoples' natural tendency towards xenophobia. Is this disgraceful? I guess it depends on your point of view. If you're a thoughtful, open-minded inclusive type (like Mayor Nenshi, for example), this is completely disgraceful. If you're a closet bigot who can use this as an acceptable excuse for your anti-Muslim (or perhaps anti-colored people) views, you might think it's great. You can go ahead and self-identify. Harper (and his Australian crony) are using the niqab and issues like it to play on the worst tendencies of people in this country. And he needs to be told that's not OK. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 The sum total of the disgraceful things Harper has done is well beyond this thread but I'll open another. In the context of this thread, Harper brought in an Australian with a reputation for race-baiting, divisive politics. Suddenly, the substantive issues have been dropped and we're talking about issues (the niqab is one example, the ridiculous barbaric cultural practices hotline is another) that are clearly designed to appeal to peoples' natural tendency towards xenophobia. Is this disgraceful? I guess it depends on your point of view. If you're a thoughtful, open-minded inclusive type (like Mayor Nenshi, for example), this is completely disgraceful. If you're a closet bigot who can use this as an acceptable excuse for your anti-Muslim (or perhaps anti-colored people) views, you might think it's great. You can go ahead and self-identify. Harper (and his Australian crony) are using the niqab and issues like it to play on the worst tendencies of people in this country. And he needs to be told that's not OK. For the Nth time, the Niqab discussion has been months in the making, well before Crosby got here. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
PIK Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 So harper did what the other parties have done and brought in foreign help, so that pt is no good. Harper is doing what a very huge majority wants him to do. To do otherwise is going against the wishes of that very huge majority, that is division. And for neshi a mayor who happens to be a muslim goes against this ,tell me a lot about his character. And never mind the racist insults because I have a different view. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
ReeferMadness Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 For the Nth time, the Niqab discussion has been months in the making, well before Crosby got here. So your contention is that it's just a crazy coincidence that just as Harper brought on a foreigner with a reputation for divisive, race-baiting politics, it becomes a big issue. Is that it? Nobody believes that. Not even you. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 So harper did what the other parties have done and brought in foreign help, so that pt is no good. Harper is doing what a very huge majority wants him to do. To do otherwise is going against the wishes of that very huge majority, that is division. And for neshi a mayor who happens to be a muslim goes against this ,tell me a lot about his character. And never mind the racist insults because I have a different view. So, you're telling me it's OK to bring in a foreigner with a reputation for dirty, race-baiting politics, as long as you can find a popular issue? I didn't call you a racist, I just pointed out at that this is the type of argument that allows racists to legitimize their views. Maybe you're just somebody who thinks this is an acceptable compromise for a boutique tax cut. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 So your contention is that it's just a crazy coincidence that just as Harper brought on a foreigner with a reputation for divisive, race-baiting politics, it becomes a big issue. Is that it? Nobody believes that. Not even you. My belief is that the "master of black arts politics" should do whatever he can to help the Conservatives win. It's not like the other parties didn't have a chance to pay his retainer. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
ReeferMadness Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 My belief is that the "master of black arts politics" should do whatever he can to help the Conservatives win. It's not like the other parties didn't have a chance to pay his retainer. "whatever he can do". So, you have no issue with divisive, race-baiting politics, as long as it helps your guys win. Glad we can clear that up. What could possibly be evil about that? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) "whatever he can do". So, you have no issue with divisive, race-baiting politics, as long as it helps your guys win. Glad we can clear that up. What could possibly be evil about that? The ends justifies the means. That's how much I hate the Liberal and NDP platform. (this time around) And please, cut the crap about the other parties wrt not using divisive strategies. Edited October 3, 2015 by angrypenguin Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
ToadBrother Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 The ends justifies the means. That's how much I hate the Liberal and NDP platform. (this time around) And please, cut the crap about the other parties wrt not using divisive strategies. Let's be honest here. It would be irrelevant what was in the Liberal or NDP platforms. You've made it very clear you're a Conservative supporter. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 The ends justifies the means. That's how much I hate the Liberal and NDP platform. (this time around) And please, cut the crap about the other parties wrt not using divisive strategies. The end justifies the means. Where have I heard that before? Maybe you can tell us all what it is about the ends that justify pandering to racists. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ToadBrother Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 The end justifies the means. Where have I heard that before? Maybe you can tell us all what it is about the ends that justify pandering to racists. He is right that all the parties do it. Listening to election ads and speeches is like a crash course in every possible logical fallacy there is. Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Let's be honest here. It would be irrelevant what was in the Liberal or NDP platforms. You've made it very clear you're a Conservative supporter. As I've said before, I have voted for the Liberals and the NDP (once). In this election, I follow the Conservative party's philosophy. I'm not a blind Conservative supporter, but please don't run deficits and please stop being a snake oil salesman (not you, but the respective party's directions) Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
ToadBrother Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 As I've said before, I have voted for the Liberals and the NDP (once). In this election, I follow the Conservative party's philosophy. I'm not a blind Conservative supporter, but please don't run deficits and please stop being a snake oil salesman (not you, but the respective party's directions) And what precisely is the CPC philosophy? Frankly, their platform is every bit as confused as the others, and just as full of populist garbage. Quote
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