overthere Posted January 29, 2015 Report Posted January 29, 2015 Not surprsingly, you have again failed to link Edmonton and cancer. From your own link, and not surprisingly you omitted this is your quote "in a rural area where men suffer elevated rates of cancers linked to such chemicals." Edmonton is not a rural area. Edmonton is not downwind of the industrial areas. Get a map. We definitively know Fort Chipewyan has had Cancers related to Oilsands polllution. More baloney. Fort Chip is perhaps 500 kms from Edmonton. Fort Sask is not too far away. Unlike you, I know exactly where Fort Sakatchewan is and also know the prevailing winds. So do the people in your link, who make no claim that Edmonton is linked to cancers. Put up or shut up. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
PrimeNumber Posted January 29, 2015 Report Posted January 29, 2015 Not surprsingly, you have again failed to link Edmonton and cancer. From your own link, and not surprisingly you omitted this is your quote "in a rural area where men suffer elevated rates of cancers linked to such chemicals." Edmonton is not a rural area. Edmonton is not downwind of the industrial areas. Get a map. More baloney. Fort Chip is perhaps 500 kms from Edmonton. Unlike you, I know exactly where Fort Sakatchewan is and also know the prevailing winds. So do the people in your link, who make no claim that Edmonton is linked to cancers. Put up or shut up. You're are in state of constant denial. Of course Fort Chip is no where near Edmonton I never said it is. Rural areas surround Edmonton, if you didn't know this well I suggest you get outside. You are drawing your imaginary line again. Get a clue. Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
overthere Posted January 29, 2015 Report Posted January 29, 2015 Get a clue. get a link Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
PrimeNumber Posted January 29, 2015 Report Posted January 29, 2015 get a link I've provided many, you just refuse to acknowledge them. You write them off as being self-serving, or wrong based on your imaginary lines or where the wind usually blows. Why you are in a constant state of denial is anyone's guess? Maybe you're an oil groupie? Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
overthere Posted January 29, 2015 Report Posted January 29, 2015 No, I'm waiting for you to provide one that links air quality in Edmonton to increased cancers in Edmonton- you know, your claim. So far you've huffed and puffed and indignantly tapdanced around with some really laughable sites, but I am patient.. Take your time. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
PrimeNumber Posted January 29, 2015 Report Posted January 29, 2015 No, I'm waiting for you to provide one that links air quality in Edmonton to increased cancers in Edmonton- you know, your claim. So far you've huffed and puffed and indignantly tapdanced around with some really laughable sites, but I am patient.. Take your time. It has been done. If you continue to refuse to acknowledge it that is your problem, not mine. Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
overthere Posted January 29, 2015 Report Posted January 29, 2015 I'll schedule some chemo treatments ASAP. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
PrimeNumber Posted January 29, 2015 Report Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) I'll schedule some chemo treatments ASAP. Tip of the Day: I'd suggest not going through with the treatments before you have actually contracted the disease. Edited January 29, 2015 by PrimeNumber Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
WIP Posted January 29, 2015 Report Posted January 29, 2015 Ummm, I have been there twice, most recently 2 years ago and it is far more prosperous now than then. Larger too. That applies to India overall, not just Mumbai. And how widespread is that prosperity? The global trend, both here and everywhere else in the world that's been measured, is that any economic growth from neoliberal economic reforms, has only been at the top of the income ladder, and not distributed down ...or 'trickled down' to lower income and especially the bottom of the hierarchy. This source provided a series of links contending that poverty has increased during India's economic boom, and one third of India is living on less than $1.25 today! But then again, I wouldn't expect anything different from adopting the same Reagan/Thatchernomics that have been spread throughout the rest of the world. Yes, me. I live nearby. The prevailing winds in Edmonton are from the west and south. Of course they occasionally come from any direction, but those are the prevailing ones. The only heavy industrial close to the city is in Strathcona County on the east side. You figure it out. The heavy industry at Fort Sask is too far away, and the prevailing winds there would also take it away from the city. Buy a map. You can also google 'winds in edmonton'. So far, no cancer in Edmonton caused by air quality links, eh? If there are carcinogens going up in the air somewhere, they have to come down eventually. Even if absolutely nobody got cancer...as you are apparently claiming, the smog from cities still contribute to acid rain problems that are wrecking forests. Your theory sort of reminds me of the big Inco smelter in Sudbury, which many years ago, built the tallest smokestacks in the country, so that less soot would fall in the City and destroy all plant life. Problem was their air pollution was diffused over a wider area and likely caused more damage than when it was more locally concentrated. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
overthere Posted January 29, 2015 Report Posted January 29, 2015 And how widespread is that prosperity? The global trend, both here and everywhere else in the world that's been measured, is that any economic growth from neoliberal economic reforms, has only been at the top of the income ladder, and not distributed down ...or 'trickled down' to lower income and especially the bottom of the hierarchy. This source provided a series of links contending that poverty has increased during India's economic boom, and one third of India is living on less than $1.25 today! But then again, I wouldn't expect anything different from adopting the same Reagan/Thatchernomics that have been spread throughout the rest of the world. It is patchy but intense. Some states have floundered, but more have exploded economically. There is a large and growing middle class that barely existed a generation ago. The most striking change, aside from the obvious increase in general prosperity, was in the number of post secondary schools. India has the 10th largest in the world last year, the 3rd largest by PPP. What has changed in a generation is that India now exports. The annual growth rate for the last decade plus has been huge. What they are missing to become top 5 is infrastructure, and efficent regulatory processes. Until lately, growth has been homegrown, it is hard for foreign corps and investors to penetrate. Their new leader Modi is reportedly going to change both. If there are carcinogens going up in the air somewhere, they have to come down eventually. Even if absolutely nobody got cancer...as you are apparently claiming, the smog from cities still contribute to acid rain problems that are wrecking forests. Your theory sort of reminds me of the big Inco smelter in Sudbury, which many years ago, built the tallest smokestacks in the country, so that less soot would fall in the City and destroy all plant life. Problem was their air pollution was diffused over a wider area and likely caused more damage than when it was more locally concentrated. another ideologue with reading comprehension issues. I'm not claiming anything about cancer, I'm trying to get another poster to demonstrate that air quality in Edmonton is related to disproportionate amounts of cancer. As he claimed. It.s not my theory. Edmonton has nothing at all like the INCO smelter. I've already stated how much and where the heavy industry is in the Edmonton area. There is not much. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
The_Squid Posted January 29, 2015 Report Posted January 29, 2015 I drove through Alberta recently... they still have bee-hive burners operating!! It's a polluters paradise!! Quote
Accountability Now Posted January 31, 2015 Report Posted January 31, 2015 I drove through Alberta recently... they still have bee-hive burners operating!! It's a polluters paradise!! BC has them too "At least one burner is still operational in the Fort George area, near Valemount. And there are others still functioning west of Prince George." http://forestnet.com/LSJissues/2014_october/B.C.s%20Beehives.pdf Quote
dpwozney Posted April 5, 2015 Author Report Posted April 5, 2015 "Albertans own 81% of the province's oil, natural gas and other mineral resources", according to this "Alberta Energy" webpage. By what law, or on what basis, is the above claim made? The "Constitution Act, 1867" refers to "Lands, Mines, Minerals, and Royalties belonging to the several Provinces of Canada, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick at the Union". The "Alberta Act, 1905" refers to "Crown lands, mines and minerals". The "Alberta Natural Resources Act, SC 1930, c 3" refers to "Crown lands, mines, minerals (precious and base) and royalties derived therefrom within the Province". Are "Crown lands, mines and minerals" not owned by the "Crown"? Do "Crown lands, mines and minerals" not belong to the "Crown"? "Alberta", the "Province of Alberta", or the "Crown", is a different entity than "Albertans", "the people of Alberta", or "Albertans, collectively". Is oil a mineral? Is natural gas a mineral? Are oil resources, or natural gas resources, claimed to be "mineral resources"? Does the "Government of the Province of Alberta" claim that oil is a mineral? Does the "Government of the Province of Alberta" claim that natural gas is a mineral? This other "Alberta Energy" webpage claims "In Alberta, the Crown owns 81% of the province's mineral rights ..." and refers to "petroleum and natural gas rights owned by the Province of Alberta". "The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein", according to Psalm 24:1. "For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof", according to 1 Corinthians 10:26. The fulness of the earth includes mineral and energy resources. Has the original owner of mineral and energy resources ever been publicly acknowledged by any government in Canada? Quote
kimmy Posted April 5, 2015 Report Posted April 5, 2015 This other "Alberta Energy" webpage claims "In Alberta, the Crown owns 81% of the province's mineral rights ..." and refers to "petroleum and natural gas rights owned by the Province of Alberta". "The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein", according to Psalm 24:1. "For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof", according to 1 Corinthians 10:26. The fulness of the earth includes mineral and energy resources. Has the original owner of mineral and energy resources ever been publicly acknowledged by any government in Canada? Seriously? You want the Crown to relinquish title to mineral rights in Alberta and give it to ... Jesus?? I honestly can't tell whether you're trolling, or if you're really think this is a lucid idea. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Argus Posted April 5, 2015 Report Posted April 5, 2015 Oil will just speed the process along much quicker. Really? How much quicker? Any idea how long we have left? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted April 5, 2015 Report Posted April 5, 2015 Really? How much quicker? Any idea how long we have left? Oh dont worry, it will be a little while after you are gone. Just dont travel too often to any of the cities I mentioned if you want to keep your lungs healthy. Quote
Argus Posted April 5, 2015 Report Posted April 5, 2015 Extinction is a certainty, and it has nothing to do with oil. No, it's about rare minerals and high technology. Have a look at this beautiful landscape. And it's got nothing to do with oil. http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150402-the-worst-place-on-earth Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted April 5, 2015 Report Posted April 5, 2015 Oh dont worry, it will be a little while after you are gone. Then there's nothing to worry about! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted April 5, 2015 Report Posted April 5, 2015 Then there's nothing to worry about! For you perhaps. Some of have to travel for work. Quote
dpwozney Posted April 5, 2015 Author Report Posted April 5, 2015 You want the Crown to relinquish title to mineral rights in Alberta and give it to ... Jesus?? Owning something can be different than having certain rights to that same something. The entity that owns something can be different than some entity that has certain rights to that same something. Quote
Smallc Posted April 5, 2015 Report Posted April 5, 2015 (edited) Owning something can be different than having certain rights to that same something. The entity that owns something can be different than some entity that has certain rights to that same something. Since God isn't real, I'm not sure of your point. Edited April 10, 2015 by Smallc Quote
kimmy Posted April 6, 2015 Report Posted April 6, 2015 (edited) Owning something can be different than having certain rights to that same something. The entity that owns something can be different than some entity that has certain rights to that same something. Ok, so what's the point of what you're saying? Oil companies should pay royalties to the Pope instead of the gov't of Alberta? Oil companies shouldn't pay royalties at all, provided they pray before putting their drills in the ground? I guess what I'm getting at, is who gives a crap if you think God should be acknowledged as the original owner of mineral wealth? What if we acknowledge the Mighty Raven Spirit as the original owner instead? -k Edited April 6, 2015 by kimmy Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
overthere Posted April 6, 2015 Report Posted April 6, 2015 We may be witnessing -in this very thread-the unveiling of the brand new Wildrose platform: raise royalties and give the money to Jesus. OK, maybe it's not all new. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
jacee Posted April 7, 2015 Report Posted April 7, 2015 YAY!!! Court quashes blanket ban on Alberta civil servants right to strike EDMONTON - Albertas long-standing ban on the right to strike for all public servants is invalid and the province has 12 months to come up with a new approach, the Court of Queens Bench ruled Thursday. ... A blanket ban on public servants right to strike is unconstitutional and infringes freedom of association, Nugent said. Governments must define which employees are providing truly essential services and which are not, he said. Quote
overthere Posted April 7, 2015 Report Posted April 7, 2015 I expect Prentice to do some pruning of the civil service after the election, which was announced today for May 5. The civil service has grown willy-nilly for over a decade and is easily the best paid in Canada, in a province which is not an expensive place to live relative to some others. Maybe it will prompt a strike, which would fit right into his cost reduction plans. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
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