eyeball Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 Jews don't belong in Europe. Got it. Where did you get that Wilber? Read much? Christ on a stick you can sure be obtuse when you want to be. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Wilber Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 Where did you get that Wilber? Read much? Christ on a stick you can sure be obtuse when you want to be. You should read what you write before you hit the enter button. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
eyeball Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 You should try to comprehend what people write before you reply to them. I repeat, where did you get that Wilber and even more to the point why did you get that? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 I know perfectly well he's going to say I think Jews don't belong in Europe. In actual fact I think they should have their own country in Europe. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Wilber Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) I know perfectly well he's going to say I think Jews don't belong in Europe. In actual fact I think they should have their own country in Europe. I didn' say it, you did. Where would you suggest? Which European country do you think should give up the territory? Why should Jews need their own country in Europe or anywhere else? Why can't they live in peace like qny other group in a civilized country? Edited February 23, 2015 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
eyeball Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 I didn' say it, you did. Said what precisely, and where? Quote it to me, provide a link. Underscore where I unequivocally said the words Jews don't belong in Europe. Not what you read but what I wrote - two very obviously and completely different things. Where would you suggest? Which European country do you think should give up the territory? When would have been the more accurate question, right after WW2 and Germany along with any other country that tried to exterminate them. Why should Jews need their own country in Europe or anywhere else? Why can't they live in peace like qny other group in a civilized country? Anti-Semitism would be my guess. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Wilber Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) I'm well aware that anti-Semitism is on the rise in Europe right along with anti-Islamism. I wouldn't be surprised if many Europeans are calling a pox on both Jews and Muslims simply due to the decades of dysfunction spilling over from an all to apparently unresolvable Israeli/Palestinian conflict - just one more thing bedevilling attempts to create a more peaceful world. The Charnel House is definitely coming back and this time Europeans are pissed at everyone they think doesn't belong there. Now we're following suit. Said what precisely, and where? Quote it to me, provide a link. Underscore where I unequivocally said the words Jews don't belong in Europe. Not what you read but what I wrote - two very obviously and completely different things. So it is all about Israel and Palestine. If all the worlds Jews are to be held responsible for the perceived atrocities of Israel, why shouldn't the worlds Muslims be held responsible for those of groups like ISIS? When would have been the more accurate question, right after WW2 and Germany along with any other country that tried to exterminate them. You have a point but this is 2015, not 1945. Even so, given the amount of antisemitism in Europe, why would you think Jews would be any safer if they had? Anti-Semitism would be my guess. Exactly. Edited February 23, 2015 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
jbg Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 Jews don't belong in Europe. Got it. Welcome to the 12th century. Or so.In my opinion the Jews should leave continental Europe. They have no future there. In fact the continent has been one monumental graveyard or crematory for Jews since they arrived. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
eyeball Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 In my opinion the Jews should leave continental Europe. They have no future there. In fact the continent has been one monumental graveyard or crematory for Jews since they arrived. I agree. The place is becoming a fricken' basket case...again. That said imagine if Jews had established their homeland in the heart of Europe. I bet that a nuclear armed 'Israel' in Europe might have resulted in a far far less dangerous world than the one we've inherited. Oh well coulda shoulda woulda eh? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
LemonPureLeaf Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 The Jews have Israel which is exactly where it needed it to be. The land of Israel was promised to the Jews by God. Israel is the end game for the Jews and no patch on Earth means as much to them. The Jews will die to protect her just as they died to found her. That soil has been drenched in blood for centuries and I suspect always will be unless more drastic measures are taken by Israel to end the conflict once and for all. Quote
eyeball Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 So it is all about Israel and Palestine.. Why? What about all the big diddlers playing their Big Games, you just going to ignore them as usual? If all the worlds Jews are to be held responsible for the perceived atrocities of Israel, why shouldn't the worlds Muslims be held responsible for those of groups like ISIS? Because collective punishment is really stupid idea. Especially since you've left out the big diddlers playing their Big Games. See why that isn't a good idea either, you people just keep undermining your own case time and time and time again. You want to know why? You're looking for a moral justification for selfishness and you keep tripping over the fact there isn't one. You have a point but this is 2015, not 1945. Even so, given the amount of antisemitism in Europe, why would you think Jews would be any safer if they had? See my reply to jbg. Exactly You were in doubt? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 The Jews have Israel which is exactly where it needed it to be. The land of Israel was promised to the Jews by God. Israel is the end game for the Jews and no patch on Earth means as much to them. The Jews will die to protect her just as they died to found her. That soil has been drenched in blood for centuries and I suspect always will be unless more drastic measures are taken by Israel to end the conflict once and for all. Oh oh, not another one. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Wilber Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 Because collective punishment is really stupid idea. Especially since you've left out the big diddlers playing their Big Games. See why that isn't a good idea either, you people just keep undermining your own case time and time and time again. You want to know why? You're looking for a moral justification for selfishness and you keep tripping over the fact there isn't Moral justification for what? You make no sense. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
jbg Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 The Jews have Israel which is exactly where it needed it to be. The land of Israel was promised to the Jews by God. Israel is the end game for the Jews and no patch on Earth means as much to them. The Jews will die to protect her just as they died to found her. That soil has been drenched in blood for centuries and I suspect always will be unless more drastic measures are taken by Israel to end the conflict once and for all. Sadly I think that is where these "people" are leading them. Can Israel or any civilized society really allow building of terror tunnels or killing of kidnapped students? And no, Israel is not limited to some artificial "proportionate" response. These actions seek to make the conduct of a first-world society impossible. Israel will not let it happen. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 I agree. The place is becoming a fricken' basket case...again.The reason that the U.S. and Canada have some of the best people in the world is the colossal brain drain from Europe. That said imagine if Jews had established their homeland in the heart of Europe. I bet that a nuclear armed 'Israel' in Europe might have resulted in a far far less dangerous world than the one we've inherited. Oh well coulda shoulda woulda eh? The Jews have about the best-known connection of any people to any piece of land and the longest standing. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
eyeball Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 Moral justification for what? You make no sense. I can't help it if you can't keep up Wilber. Maybe if you stop being so deliberately disingenuous you'd have an easier time of it. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 The reason that the U.S. and Canada have some of the best people in the world is the colossal brain drain from Europe. OTOH that could explain why we're circling the drains ourselves when it comes to overarching state power and a deteriorating state of multi-culturalist sentiment. The Jews have about the best-known connection of any people to any piece of land and the longest standing. Hyperbole much? They're just plain old Earthlings like everyone else. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Wilber Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 I can't help it if you can't keep up Wilber. Maybe if you stop being so deliberately disingenuous you'd have an easier time of it. Perhaps you should start making sense. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
eyeball Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 Exactly what is it about the phrase a moral justification for selfishness that you don't you understand? The context I used it in or that I used it at all? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Wilber Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 Exactly what is it about the phrase a moral justification for selfishness that you don't you understand? The context I used it in or that I used it at all? You mean the context of pulling it out of your ass? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
eyeball Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 No I meant in the context of why the west has behaved so selfishly throughout the Muslim world these last 60 years or so. You've suggested I'm full of crap which imply's that you are aware of a moral justification. So would you please share it? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
GostHacked Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 Oh oh, not another one. Captn Canada makes a return. Well, that's my guess. Quote
Wilber Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 No I meant in the context of why the west has behaved so selfishly throughout the Muslim world these last 60 years or so. You've suggested I'm full of crap which imply's that you are aware of a moral justification. So would you please share it? I'm suggesting that you are full of crap maintaining that Jews should need their own country after centuries of persecution while Muslims should be given a pass on bad behaviour because of what you alledge the West has done over the last 60 years.. I think the point jbg was trying to make is Jews have been in France since at least the 6th century, how long does it take for them? Don't preach to others about looking for moral justifications. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
eyeball Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 I'm suggesting that you are full of crap maintaining that Jews should need their own country after centuries of persecution while Muslims should be given a pass on bad behaviour because of what you alledge the West has done over the last 60 years.. That's a pretty weird way of stringing what I said together and the only reason I can imagine you would do this is because you can't back up your claim that I said Jews don't belong in Europe. You're full of crap in other words and now you're even farther away from being able to frame a moral argument or justification for one. I could preach to you until the cows came home and you'd still never get it. I'm certainly not the only one alleging what the West has done and nor are you the only one who seems to think the West is entirely blameless, has done absolutely nothing wrong and is the only real victim here. I think the point jbg was trying to make is Jews have been in France since at least the 6th century, how long does it take for them? So what? Why should I care about what you think he said when you can't get what I said straight? Why should I put any stock in what you think at all? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Wilber Posted February 23, 2015 Report Posted February 23, 2015 I don't think you can get what you say straight. It started with a link I posted of a column by a respected historian who pointed out how the appeasement attitude toward Muslim extremist acts and the rise of antisemitism is eerily similar to the 1930's. Instead of giving it some thought and taking issue with its content, you write it off as war mongering. As far a jbg goes, you made it quite clear you don't care what he thinks either. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
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