An Example Of People Who Lack Public Education Knowledge

[Big Guy]

I believe that wisdom is the culmination of the mixture of equal parts of intelligence, education and experience. Too many people confuse education alone or intelligence alone with wisdom.

That is why we have people with doctorate degrees driving cabs and high school graduates fronting $multi-million businesses and corporations.

That is also why we have young college graduates purporting to lecture us on education.

[Ash74]

Yes. It shows how out of touch some people are.

The article was an example of education professionals that disagree with the teaching concept.

You claimed to never have heard such a thing and I showed you an example. (That you posted)

[GostHacked]

Bryan,you are just trolling. Teachers need a minimum of 5 years post secondary education. Many of us who will complete our masters will require 7 years. After all that hard work people will still complain because teachers will make 90-100 K. It makes me sick. Public education benefits society as a whole.

So how many years before you get your masters?

[socialist]

So how many years before you get your masters?

Will have it completed after next year.

[socialist]

Irrelevant to your topic, and no excuse for being disrespectful to people working there, socialist.

You alienate people and do an injustice to your topic that way

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Oh, I see jacee. I have to walk your fine line.

[jacee]

Oh, I see jacee. I have to walk your fine line.

No you walk your own.

I'm just not down with dissing people because of what they do.

Just sayin ...

[socialist]

No you walk your own.

I'm just not down with dissing people because of what they do.

Just sayin ...

Many here are dissing what I do. Do you see me crying? No. Why? Because I battle back and expose people. You want to attack me? Be prepared to get it back.

[jacee]

Many here are dissing what I do. Do you see me crying? No. Why? Because I battle back and expose people. You want to attack me? Be prepared to get it back.

Doesn't take a genius to work in the TAR SANDS.

I was just objecting to the classist tone of your comment, socialist.

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[Ash74]

The article was an example of education professionals that disagree with the teaching concept.

You claimed to never have heard such a thing and I showed you an example. (That you posted)

Once again you are ignoring the proof in front of you.

This extreme all or nothing attitude you have adopted towards education makes me wonder what kind of teacher you will become or are.

What if the curriculum changes towards a more three "r's" concept.

Or are you teaching in Ontario?

If so you wil be fine for if anybody believes in rearranging the deck chairs while the titanic sinks it is Premier Wynne

[Pct2017]

Bryan,you are just trolling. Teachers need a minimum of 5 years post secondary education. Many of us who will complete our masters will require 7 years. After all that hard work people will still complain because teachers will make 90-100 K. It makes me sick. Public education benefits society as a whole.

And by the way, I am hearing many good things coming out of your home province of Manitoba in regards to public education. Be glad you have a government that understands the importance of public education and funds it appropriately.

Young Socialist, I am so happy for you that you have added an imaginary Masters degree to your imaginary BEd and your imaginary teaching job. Well done there young fellow. What was your thesis on? "Are there four "C"'s in modern education or three. Cuz I keep getting mixed up". And on behalf of all of the contributors in the forum, congratulations on your future imaginary PhD.

But back to the subject of this thread. The problem in school today is twofold. First, the actual process of educating students has become just that, a process. Results are now secondary to fulfilling the process. But the larger problem is the change of attitude of the teachers of today. No longer is it a proud profession where a teacher would take pride in actually teaching both academic and life skills to her students. Teachers today are pretty much singularly in it for a paycheque and minimal days/hours worked. The recent strike here in BC put a big exclamation mark beside that irrefutable statement, and in all likelyhood, the teachers of Ontario will do the same. Sad.

[socialist]

Young Socialist, I am so happy for you that you have added an imaginary Masters degree to your imaginary BEd and your imaginary teaching job. Well done there young fellow. What was your thesis on? "Are there four "C"'s in modern education or three. Cuz I keep getting mixed up". And on behalf of all of the contributors in the forum, congratulations on your future imaginary PhD.

But back to the subject of this thread. The problem in school today is twofold. First, the actual process of educating students has become just that, a process. Results are now secondary to fulfilling the process. But the larger problem is the change of attitude of the teachers of today. No longer is it a proud profession where a teacher would take pride in actually teaching both academic and life skills to her students. Teachers today are pretty much singularly in it for a paycheque and minimal days/hours worked. The recent strike here in BC put a big exclamation mark beside that irrefutable statement, and in all likelyhood, the teachers of Ontario will do the same. Sad.

You can believe all you want about me. You are another educator-basher here, and everything you say is nothing more than hyperbole. Also, I would like to point out that modern educators are much harder working and dedicated to the educators of the past who did nothing more than hand out boring worksheets on boring topics such as long division. as for Masters...I will get one next year and you can be as jealous as you want. It won't bother me one bit.

[Ash74]

You can believe all you want about me. You are another educator-basher here, and everything you say is nothing more than hyperbole. Also, I would like to point out that modern educators are much harder working and dedicated to the educators of the past who did nothing more than hand out boring worksheets on boring topics such as long division. as for Masters...I will get one next year and you can be as jealous as you want. It won't bother me one bit.

You just bashed educators................

The very people that fought for the rights you hold so dear and know you call them boring and lazy.

You may feel I am many things but I am not a hypocrite.

[socialist]

You just bashed educators................

The very people that fought for the rights you hold so dear and know you call them boring and lazy.

You may feel I am many things but I am not a hypocrite.

I am modern 21st century educator. Big difference compared to the past.

[GostHacked]

Will have it completed after next year.

Ok so, please refrain from posting on anything education wise until you get your masters.

[socialist]

Ok so, please refrain from posting on anything education wise until you get your masters.

Why? I currently have 2 degrees, one of which is education. What do you have?

[Ash74]

I am modern 21st century educator. Big difference compared to the past.

Alright. Your just trolling for attention now and I do not believe you have the ability or the degree's to teach anything. The complete lack of respect you have shown here that in a different post you defended as the saviors of democracy. You are just a starved child looking for attention.

Good luck at McDonald's or whatever fast food joint you work at.

[Moonbox]

You can believe all you want about me. You are another educator-basher here, and everything you say is nothing more than hyperbole.

That's funny coming from the guy who hasn't offered anything to the debate aside from testimonials about how well-educated he is and his messiah-like work ethic (70 hours right!? - LOL). Like I've said before, your incompetence in these debates only confirms what most of us already know. Our teachers aren't nearly as smart and hard-working as they'd like us to believe.

Bryan,you are just trolling. Teachers need a minimum of 5 years post secondary education.

Except they don't. The 'requirement' for most teachers in Canada has always been 4 years. 5 years was just more likely to get you in.

Many of us who will complete our masters will require 7 years. After all that hard work people will still complain because teachers will make 90-100 K. It makes me sick. Public education benefits society as a whole.

What makes me sick is the crying about how YOU getting paid better would benefit society as as a whole. You clearly don't see the galling irony of these claims.

Any ACTUAL data (as in not your pathetic self-plugging testimonials that nobody should believe), teacher pay and quality of education are NOT directly related. Germany has the best-paid teachers in the world, yet Germany regularly lags behind on education indexes, math, literacy and science scores. Canada has the 5th best-paid teachers in the world, yet does not break the top 5 in any of these measurements either.

Also, by objective, third-party measurement, you work far less than the average Canadian and get paid significantly more than your education and aptitudes would dictate.

http://www.businessinsider.com/pisa-rankings-2013-12

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Index

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/economy-lab/teacher-pay-canada-near-the-top-of-the-oecd-class/article4541629/

Edited December 15, 2014 by Moonbox

[Pct2017]

Ash and Moonbox, you are just now discovering what we endured on the thread about our teacher strike out here in BC earlier this year. And that is Socialist is perhaps not what he pretends to be. There was even a bit of a pool going about who or what he actually is. My guess was a high school student with something of a boy-crush on one of his teachers while others guessed that he is a caricature created by another contributor or simply someone who loves to throw outlandish crap out there to get a rise. The only choice that was never taken was that he is actually a teacher.

He is kind of fun to bat around, but in a guilty sort of way. If I ever find out that he is as mentally deranged as he appears to be in his writing, I will feel very guilty for taking him to task routinely.

He is all over the map on pretty much everything he writes about. There are four "c"'s in modern education. No, there are three "c"'s. He is against oil consumption yet he claims to have travelled all the way out here to BC to check out the picket lines. It goes on and on. The only thing that you can be truly sure of is that he spends an inordinate amount of time on the Internet looking at loopy left wing sites and that he rarely actually answers questions when challenged.

Edited December 15, 2014 by Pct2017

[GostHacked]

Why? I currently have 2 degrees, one of which is education. What do you have?

My credentials for this matter are irrelevant. You claiming to be an educator, saying that people need a masters degree to understand education (something you still have yet to acheive) but berate others on educational matters when they do not have educational credentials.

But I will say that if you are a parent, you ARE an educator. The FIRST educator in a child's life. A very important critical educator for a child's development.

[Moonbox]

My guess was a high school student with something of a boy-crush on one of his teachers while others guessed that he is a caricature created by another contributor or simply someone who loves to throw outlandish crap out there to get a rise. The only choice that was never taken was that he is actually a teacher.

You can say you're whatever you want to be on the internet. Whether or not he's a teacher doesn't make much difference to me. If he's not, that's just sad. If he is, that's also sad, but more because he's demonstrating what sort of 'brilliant' minds we have making $90-100,000 per year.

[drummindiver]

I am modern 21st century educator. Big difference compared to the past.

My educators of the past spent their own time after school supporting various groups and activities. I understand your unions of today forbid such activities.

Edited December 31, 2014 by drummindiver

[socialist]

My educators of the past spent their own time after school supporting various groups and activities. I understand your unions of today forbid such activities.

Well, your understanding is grossly incorrect. Please provide a cite of a teacher union forbidding teachers from coaching. Many of us put in 300 to 400 extra curricular hours a year. That's 10 weeks, yet the teacher bashers go on and on about having summers, ummm, off. My summers are spent working, learning, and preparing.

[Ash74]

Well, your understanding is grossly incorrect. Please provide a cite of a teacher union forbidding teachers from coaching. Many of us put in 300 to 400 extra curricular hours a year. That's 10 weeks, yet the teacher bashers go on and on about having summers, ummm, off. My summers are spent working, learning, and preparing.

First. Your not a teacher. Nobody with your lack of ability to explain an opinion or see another side of an argument would ever be aloud to educate children.

Second. The unions always order the teachers to go work to rule first. Cutting sports and extra curricular activities to hurt the students.

[drummindiver]

Well, your understanding is grossly incorrect. Please provide a cite of a teacher union forbidding teachers from coaching. Many of us put in 300 to 400 extra curricular hours a year. That's 10 weeks, yet the teacher bashers go on and on about having summers, ummm, off. My summers are spent working, learning, and preparing.

Dude. Seriously? You're a teacher? I even posted it from a union loving paper, because I can just imagine the bs if I posted anything on here from a Sun newspaper.

http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/2012/12/03/ontario_teacher_protest_extracurriculars_in_high_schools_to_go_union_says.htmlhttp:

//www.timescolonist.com/news/local/union-tells-teachers-to-stop-volunteering-cites-liability-concerns-1.1076148

K, I lied. Here's a link from Sun about my "understanding is grossly incorrect". Is "grossly incorrect" even proper English? I don't know...you tell me, you're the "teacher".

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2013/03/20130305-084247.html

And because you get a Sun link, I thought a Globe link would round it all out. Most viewpoints covered.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/ontario-students-might-have-to-forgo-extracurriculars-for-two-years/article6186956/

Edited January 1, 2015 by drummindiver

[Ash74]

Dude. Seriously? You're a teacher? I even posted it from a union loving paper, because I can just imagine the bs if I posted anything on here from a Sun newspaper.

http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/2012/12/03/ontario_teacher_protest_extracurriculars_in_high_schools_to_go_union_says.htmlhttp:

//www.timescolonist.com/news/local/union-tells-teachers-to-stop-volunteering-cites-liability-concerns-1.1076148

K, I lied. Here's a link from Sun about my "understanding is grossly incorrect". Is "grossly incorrect" even proper English? I don't know...you tell me, you're the "teacher".

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2013/03/20130305-084247.html

And because you get a Sun link, I thought a Globe link would round it all out. Most viewpoints covered.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/ontario-students-might-have-to-forgo-extracurriculars-for-two-years/article6186956/

Wasting your time man. He ignores the postings that prove him wrong.