Big Guy Posted November 28, 2014 Report Posted November 28, 2014 (edited) That right wing embarrassment to Israel Avigdor Lieberman (who is also Foreign Minister) has come up with an interesting solution to the growing problem of too many Arabs in Israel, He suggests to pay them to leave. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/11/israel-fm-supports-paying-arabs-leave-2014112814625150832.html In a continuing movement to make Israel a Jewish State he suggests that to help cleanse Israel of Arabs it would make sense to pay them to get out. What an interesting concept. I know in the past that there were (and still are) certain elements in the UK that suggested that immigrants be paid to "go back where they came from". In Canada, the different governments distribute about $150 billion a year in social programs a year. Maybe if we change our policy and pay the poor to leave? For an example, A family of 4 (2 adults 2 children) on welfare be offered $50,000 to emigrate from Canada. In a couple of years their absence will have paid for the coast and we are way ahead! There is another way to use cash; The population of North Vietnam at the start of the unfortunate (for the USA ) war was about 15 million people. By the end of that war when the USA had declared victory and had been run out of town it had cost the USA about $168,000 for each Vietcong killed. I wonder what would have happened if it had offered $100,000 to each soldier who changed sides? Avigdor may be on the right track. I wonder how many from Gaza would "emigrate" if Israel directed some of those $billions it gets from the USA yearly to pay these people to leave Gaza? Edited November 28, 2014 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Rue Posted November 28, 2014 Report Posted November 28, 2014 (edited) Oh look who started another anti Israel thread. Its also interesting. This guy you quote and Eye must be on the same page. He thinks the same should be done with Israelis. Interesting how that works. You don't say a peep when Eye says it about Israeli Jews, but suddenly you are all up in arms when its said about Israeli Arabs. Edited November 28, 2014 by Rue Quote
Guest Posted November 28, 2014 Report Posted November 28, 2014 How much can I get to go back to the UK? Quote
Big Guy Posted November 28, 2014 Author Report Posted November 28, 2014 Thank you for limiting your post to a length that I will read. I am not up in arms about anything. If you really bother to read instead of reacting you will see that I think that Avigdor might be on to something smart. ""Avigdor may be on the right track". As far as reacting to other threads, a few of them have gone so off the rails and into finger pointing and jibberish that I no longer read them. Please don't try to pull me into your anti-Semite, good Jew bad Jew, pro or anti terrorist arguments. I'm not interested. You have already expressed what you think of Big Guy (anti-Semite, Jew hater, terrorist apologist, Palestinian lover, Hamas agent, Hezbollah cheerleader and has bad breath) so am surprised that you still care to read and comment. I wonder how much it would cost Israel/USA to pay all those folks in Gaza to move to Egypt? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Big Guy Posted November 28, 2014 Author Report Posted November 28, 2014 To bcsapper - I guess it would depend on your color, culture, age, number of outstanding warrants, if you are for or against the oil sands, your gender, political leanings and sexual preference. If I were you I wouldn't go for less than $1,366,789.52. But that is only a guess. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Guest Posted November 28, 2014 Report Posted November 28, 2014 For that I'll take my wife, too... Quote
Bryan Posted November 28, 2014 Report Posted November 28, 2014 How can I get in on this? I was born here, but I'll move to....say... Cuba for half that! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 28, 2014 Report Posted November 28, 2014 Thousands of Palestinians have actually emigrated to the U.S. instead of Egypt. No bribe required.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted November 28, 2014 Report Posted November 28, 2014 Oh look who started another anti Israel thread. Its also interesting. This guy you quote and Eye must be on the same page. He thinks the same should be done with Israelis. Interesting how that works. You don't say a peep when Eye says it about Israeli Jews, but suddenly you are all up in arms when its said about Israeli Arabs. So this is also an anti-Arab thread and you're all up in arms about it? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
guyser Posted November 28, 2014 Report Posted November 28, 2014 So this is also an anti-Arab thread and you're all up in arms about it?cough cough...... Quote
WWWTT Posted November 28, 2014 Report Posted November 28, 2014 (edited) In Canada, the different governments distribute about $150 billion a year in social programs a year. Maybe if we change our policy and pay the poor to leave? For an example, A family of 4 (2 adults 2 children) on welfare be offered $50,000 to emigrate from Canada. In a couple of years their absence will have paid for the coast and we are way ahead! You didn't think this comment through. If all the poor people left Canada, who would do the labor for the 1% at slave wages? Other rich people?!?!?!?!?!?! That's freekin spun man!!!!! Definitely didn't think it through. WWWTT Edited November 28, 2014 by WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
guyser Posted November 28, 2014 Report Posted November 28, 2014 Speaking of... You didn't think this comment through. Im betting you didnt quite grasp that peeps on welfare arent doing...If all the poor people left Canada, who would do the labor for the 1% at slave wages? Definitely didn't think it through. WWWTT True, dont think ya did. Quote
WWWTT Posted November 29, 2014 Report Posted November 29, 2014 Speaking of... Im betting you didnt quite grasp that peeps on welfare arent doing... True, dont think ya did. Welfare for most people is temporary. And what about the children of parents on welfare? Are they on welfare too? Or do they go to school like children of other classes? Are you assuming those children are going straight to welfare after school? Maybe the government should be giving money to arrogant ignorant Canadians who are prejudice against poorer classes to leave the country! Definitely would make the moderators job at MLW a lot easier! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
guyser Posted November 29, 2014 Report Posted November 29, 2014 (edited) Welfare for most people is temporary.Ok And what about the children of parents on welfare? We have laws in this country, unlike in China, against child labourers. You however want them slaving. Who knew? Are they on welfare too? Or do they go to school like children of other classes? Education is free in this country. Some kids can get welfare, but very few. Are you assuming those children are going straight to welfare after school? Straight to welfare? No, they probably go home and have a snack. Maybe the government should be giving money to arrogant ignorant Canadians who are prejudice against poorer classes to leave the country! Huh? Definitely would make the moderators job at MLW a lot easier! WWWTT The mods here are in charge of welfare payments? Cool, beats having to trudge out in the snow and ice to fill out forms. Which one of the mods did you talk to get paid? Oh...can you put in a good word for me?.....buddy ? Edited November 29, 2014 by Guyser2 Quote
WWWTT Posted November 29, 2014 Report Posted November 29, 2014 We have laws in this country, unlike in China, against child labourers. You however want them slaving. Who knew? LOL! If I didn't highlight that the OP mentioned children, that fact would have still remained oblivious to you! Don't worry buddy, I'm here to provide lots of ideas for you to rip off and point out stuff that you missed. Oh by the way, in the west when corporations do as they please, westerners call it "the free market". But when corporations break the law in China, the whole entire Chinese civilization is immoral based on some suggestions of western media outlets! I sense a powerful double standard in you my young padawan. Let your double standard flow through your veins and use it to strike down your debating opponents! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
-TSS- Posted November 29, 2014 Report Posted November 29, 2014 All the more reason why there can be no peace in the Middle-East without some sort of two-state solution as the Israeli demographics show that without such a solution the Jewish people will end up in a minority. Too bad that none of the sides of the conflict want to even talk about a two-state solution. However, for the outsiders to do such as the lunatic new government of Sweden did, that was to recognize Palestine, is not the way forward. You don't recognize countries which don't exist, al least not yet. Quote
Rue Posted November 29, 2014 Report Posted November 29, 2014 The fact you think Big Guy Lieberman is up to something smart again speaks for itself. Quote
Big Guy Posted November 29, 2014 Author Report Posted November 29, 2014 Avigdor is a former Deputy Prime Minister and currently Foreign Minister for Israel. He would not hold those positions if his views did not reflect a large part of the Israeli people. His "Lieberman Plan " for peace in the Middle East is supported by many Israelis. He would not be where he is, have the influence that he has and is foreign minister must mean that he has done a number of smart things. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
-TSS- Posted November 29, 2014 Report Posted November 29, 2014 As I've said before the only solution is a two-state solution. What I'm really tired of, and I can safely assume to be speaking for countless others, that those desert-religions have such a huge impact on our lives. Those desert religions should really have stayed where they originated from; that is to say the desert. Quote
Rue Posted November 29, 2014 Report Posted November 29, 2014 First off his name is Lieberman. Secondly once again you know nothing about his positions and try bluff your way through as if you do. May I kindly suggest just once, before going off on a lecture to me about this man, you read up what his actual positions are. What a joke. You come on this forum claiming to be pro Palestinian, now you champion an extremist politician who most Israelis consider a bigot and hateful and a loose cannon. You are clueless. Lieberman supports an Israeli state in all of the west Bank and he wants to deport not just Palestinians but Israeli Arabs out of Israel. Genius. Quote
Big Guy Posted November 29, 2014 Author Report Posted November 29, 2014 Rue, I do not attempt to dialogue with any posters who have to deal with personal insults. I find your responses to me to be rude and pertaining to me, the poster, rather than to the issue. To continue to respond to you and allow you to continue to try to demean my opinions on a personal level would be very foolish on my part. I am no fool. My posts on the Middle East are based on my opinion as to resolutions to problems there based on the best interests of Canadians. I look at Iran, Israel, Jordan, Palestine et al from the perspective as a Canadian nationalist. From what I have read of those posts that have been short enough to bother reading is that you are looking at the Middle East situation from the perspective of what is best for Jews and Israel - not necessarily for what is best for Canada. You certainly have the right for that perspective and I will leave that to you. I prefer to read opinions and suggestions that are based on support for my country. I am no longer interested in yours. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
sharkman Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 Rue, I do not attempt to dialogue with any posters who have to deal with personal insults. I find your responses to me to be rude and pertaining to me, the poster, rather than to the issue. To continue to respond to you and allow you to continue to try to demean my opinions on a personal level would be very foolish on my part. I am no fool. My posts on the Middle East are based on my opinion as to resolutions to problems there based on the best interests of Canadians. I look at Iran, Israel, Jordan, Palestine et al from the perspective as a Canadian nationalist. From what I have read of those posts that have been short enough to bother reading is that you are looking at the Middle East situation from the perspective of what is best for Jews and Israel - not necessarily for what is best for Canada. You certainly have the right for that perspective and I will leave that to you. I prefer to read opinions and suggestions that are based on support for my country. I am no longer interested in yours. First of all, if you have reading preferences that cause you to struggle with "longer" posts, maybe the Middle East situation is too big a topic for you to grapple with. Second, what benefits Canada around the globe in a tiny spot of the world is debatable, and to ignore what some say because in your definition it does not support Canada's benefit, well that's simply throwing out contrary data/ideas to get a desired result isn't it? Quote
Big Guy Posted November 30, 2014 Author Report Posted November 30, 2014 Well, "you struggle" and "too big a topic for you"? You really expect a civilized and respectful response to that kind of rhetoric? No thank you. I sense somebody with an agenda not intentioned with respectful dialogue of sharing legitimate viewpoints. I am not interested. Go find somebody who wants an argument. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
sharkman Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 Looks like you skimmed over my post a little too fast, but I'm happy to oblige you either way. I said, " Your reading preferences" meaning your need of short posts since you find Rue's too long. And the ME is indeed a complicated enigma that the world's brightest have yet to solve. Justice can not be done with 3 sentence long posts. You may get posts in your threads that you don't like. Quote
Big Guy Posted November 30, 2014 Author Report Posted November 30, 2014 I do not post to be liked, I post to be challenged with reasons for the disagreement presented in a civilized manner. I know what I think, I want to find out what others think. There are some posters on this site who disagree with me and present their views while still respectful of other posters. That is why I still continue to post here. If/when I find the experience not informative or not enjoyable then I move on. I continue to be surprised at the number of posters who go into every thread aggressively, defensively and with the apparent intent to insult or demean the author of an opinion with which they disagree. It seems to be the same people baiting the same people time after time after time after ... There seems to be so much built in animosity ( I assume over the years in some cases) that the view of the individual appears to depend on the author of a position rather than the substance of the position. As to Rue's posts, I have to limit myself to the length of time spending on these boards. That involves scanning and focussing only on clear views. I am unable to do that with Rue's posts. But that is me. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
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