Iran Key To Middle East Peace

Argus · August 23, 2015

You don't have to destroy a country by bombs and planes as Israel have been doing with its neighbors for decades now.

More like they've been destroying themselves because of their refusal to accept the existence of a Jewish state among them. If they had any interest in living together in peace I have no doubt Israel would welcome them with open arms.

In fact Israel don't have the guts or the balls or the military power to take such actions when it comes to Iran. They only attack the defenseless and those who cannot fight back.

Demonstrably untrue. Attacking the defenseless is something the Palestinians do, as well as the Syrians, as well as ISIS, as well as Al Quaeda, as well as a lot of other violent Muslim groups.

Israel trying to destroy Iran by lobbying powerful countries into attacking Iran and imposing backbreaking sanctions

Why That's what you are ignoring. Why?

...as we have witnessed Israel and its Zionist servants are desperately trying to destroy this agreement and do what they can to keep these crippling sanctions on the poor people of Iran to make life even more miserable and harsher than what it is now.

Why?

Argus · August 23, 2015

I still believe that facts are facts. Israeli policies are the cause of much of the turmoil in the Middle East - that is not contested.

It's not? I bet it is contested by an awful lot of people. In fact, I KNOW it's contested by an awful lot of people. So apparently, you have a problem understanding what a 'fact' is.

CITIZEN_2015 · August 23, 2015

Argus you are questioning the obvious as evidence is plenty that Israel lobbies the opposition to Obama to destroy the agreement. Even their prime minister made a speech in US congress encouraging a vote against negotiating with Iran and about how dangerous Iran is with fiction rather than facts. They don't wish sanctions removed and love to see American military actions against Iran and strongly lobby for it as something they don't have the balls to do it themselves.

You also counter all the facts about Israel. I never said ISIS or Muslim extremist or other groups you named don't kill innocent defenseless people(in fact it has been Israeli policies which has created terrorism and hatred for the US and the west). I said Israel does too. And as they don't have the balls to attack Iran, again evidently not as for years they have talked about it even planned to do so between 2009 to 2012 but the last minute their military and politicians had a change of heart because they knew of devastating consequences. If Iran was weak as Syria or Iraq they would have done so as they did with them. With Iran they didn't have the balls as I said they have the habit of attacking the weak and defenseless..

Edited June 20, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015

Big Guy · August 24, 2015

The forward looking Western nations are accepting reality and beginning the courting of Iran:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/british-foreign-secretary-reopens-embassy-in-iran-after-4-year-closure/article26066028/

Now Iran and Britain will have embassies in both countries. If Canada does not make a move we will be shut out and accept all the consequences of an association with Israel without any benefits.

Time for Canada to wash our hands of Israel, open our embassy in Iran and promote a positive association with the next power in the Middle East.

bush_cheney2004 · August 24, 2015

...Now Iran and Britain will have embassies in both countries. If Canada does not make a move we will be shut out and accept all the consequences of an association with Israel without any benefits.

Canada already receives the benefits of an association with Israel in the way of a free trade agreement (CIFTA).

Canada has no free trade agreement with Iran.

Argus · August 25, 2015

Argus you are questioning the obvious as evidence is plenty that Israel lobbies the opposition to Obama

I don't believe I questioned that Israel lobbies the US government. So do we, come to that.

They don't wish sanctions removed and love to see American military actions against Iran and strongly lobby for it as something they don't have the balls to do it themselves.

Why? You haven't addressed my question. Why? Why do you think Israel doesn't like Iran? Why do you think Israel fears Iran?

Argus · August 25, 2015

Now Iran and Britain will have embassies in both countries. If Canada does not make a move we will be shut out and accept all the consequences of an association with Israel without any benefits.

Most of us would far rather be associated with the only democracy in the middle east, the only country with a free court system and a free press than with a vicious dictatorship which sponsors terrorism around the world and executes women and girls for having sex outside marriage.

Edited August 25, 2015 by Argus

Big Guy · August 25, 2015

So our bombs keep falling in Iraq, Syria and ...? We are destroying communications, water purification, sewer systems, hydro, and any other infrastructure that allows for habitation. Then the bright lights here and elsewhere wonder why millions of people are streaming out of the region to anywhere to find living conditions for their families. Then the bright lights continue to criticize immigration policies of Canada and other nations which are trying to deal with this exodus. I guess these folks whose habitats we have destroyed are supposed to quietly watch their families die as they thank us for our bombs.

We are bombing most of the "bad" guys there but are leaving Syrian forces alone since they we are fighting on their side. BTW, the Syrians are happily massacring innocent civilians;

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/syria-air-strikes-damascus-idlib-150825083538377.html

So we continue to ignore the Syrian atrocities, create more millions of displaced people and explain that we are fighting "the good fight".

Bring our boys home and let the folks over there decide their winners in their civil wars. We stand between the Sunni and Shia forces and are getting battered by both sides.

Oh sorry - I forgot that the reason we are there is to protect women and girls who have sex outside of marriage from being executed. I guess those millions of displaced persons we are creating is less important.

Rue · August 25, 2015

Citizen in fact that's interesting because you and many like you come on this board and advance tales of the so called Israel lobby, i.e., AIPAC and yet at the same time as you advance that Israel lobbies against Obama, the very AIPAC and others who are claimed to be doing the lobbying are also magically according to Hudson Jones et al, good Jews supporting Obama as opposed to the bad Jews supporting Israel.

Give it a rest with the meaningless stereotypical unsubstantiated references to Israel lobby. This so called Israel lobby is not the Israel lobby, its called the Republican Party, its called AMERICANS, its called Democrats, its a whole damn bunch of Americans the minority of whom are Jews so take your Israel lobby reference and call it what it is, an anti Iran lobby.

CITIZEN_2015 · August 25, 2015

I don't believe I questioned that Israel lobbies the US government. So do we, come to that.

Why? You haven't addressed my question. Why? Why do you think Israel doesn't like Iran? Why do you think Israel fears Iran?

Not sure if you playing with me or joking with me since on one hand you have admitted that Israel lobbies the US government to reject the nuclear agreement and keep sanctions on Iran which Iranian people have suffered and would suffer badly and also admit that it lobbies the US for an attack on Iran and then you ask question why I think Israel doesn't like Iran!!!!!! or why it fears Iran!!!!!!. Very strange indeed.

And yes Israel lobbies against Obama (the speech that their prime minister made in congress is a clear evidence for that. In fact Israel INTERFERED in American internal politics quite clearly) because Obama seeks peace and rapprochement with Iran rather than what Israel wants (a military attack on Iran and continued sanctions).

And btw look at all these mouthpieces of Iranian regime as Rue accused me of being one before!!!!!

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/25/prominent-iranians-launch-campaign-congress-nuclear-deal

Edited August 25, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015

Argus · August 26, 2015

Not sure if you playing with me or joking with me since on one hand you have admitted that Israel lobbies the US government to reject the nuclear agreement and keep sanctions on Iran which Iranian people have suffered and would suffer badly and also admit that it lobbies the US for an attack on Iran and then you ask question why I think Israel doesn't like Iran!!!!!! or why it fears Iran!!!!!!. Very strange indeed.

I was trying to find out how honest you were. Apparently, not very.

CITIZEN_2015 · August 26, 2015

I was trying to find out how honest you were. Apparently, not very.

You are both strange and funny not to mention very dishonest and illogical. The fact is that all indications are that the congress is going to approve Iran nuclear deal or not have enough votes to prevent Obama from a veto so it is very likely going ahead no matter how much you and your friend trying to mislead public opinion against the deal or Iran.

Rue · August 26, 2015

Citizen let me be crystal clear. By the way while I totally absolutely disagree with you I do appreciate your writing abilities and civility. What I am getting at is in fact this forum was full of posts of how in fact the majority of Jews in the US supported the Iran agreement and they were depicted as good Jews. Also we have seen so many times on this forum an alleged reference to the Jewish cabal or Zionist lobby or Israel Lobby as having control of the world media, US, banks, etc. but that seems to have run into a bit of a joke considering this powerful lobby seems to have been unable to stop the US and Europe from entering an agreement with Iran.

Let's be crystal clear. AIPAC is the lobby group for Israel in the US. History has shown Obama ignored it for 8 years and has been the most blatant of anti Israel leaders of the world backing Hezbollah, Hamas and referring to such groups and Iran as peace partners.

Obama when elected not just the first time but second time said it was ridiculous to think Israel should negotiate with Hamas a terrorist organization until it denounced its charter, agreed to recognize Israel as a Jewish state and disarmed.

This same man days after being elected calls Abbas before ay other leader and referred to Hamas as a valid peace partner and said it was unreasonable for Israel to expect it or any Arab organization or nation to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, and Israel should unilaterally return to its 1967 borders not expecting any recognition from anyone in the Arab world let alone disarmament of terrorists.

He out and out lied. He supported Morsi and Erdogan who openly stated that Israel should be dismantled as a Jewish state.

He then went and armed Al Quaeda and ISIL after being specifically warned by Israel that such a group would turn on him.

Obama is an out and out anti semite of the worst kind. He went to Rev. Wright's church in Chicago and never condemned his anti semitic diatribes refusing to explain how he sit through them and said nothing and to this day has never condemned them. Then again this is the same man who says if a Muslim extremist is a terrorist, they magically are not Muslim. They can only be Muslim if they are not terrorist, They can have the exact same Muslim extremist beliefs and be Muslim, but if they act on their beliefs, then poof one can not call them Muslim.

This is a man who refused to join world leaders in France protest Muslim extremist terrorism and denied the terrorists in France were Muslims and denied the attacks on Jews were an attack on Jews and referred to them as a "random selection" as opposed to deliberate selection. This is a man who sends a clear anti-Semitic message. A one that denies Muslims are extremist and terrorist and one that denies the need to recognize a Jewish state while at the same time embracing the Muslim Brotherhood an organization that insists on Muslim states and for that matter a world wide government run by Muslims.

His half brother and blood father are/were members of the Muslim Brotherhood both openly anti semitic. His step father was a member of an Islamic cult group that preaches the killing of Jews world wide as part of a religious war to cleanse the world's soul the sme philosophy as the current Muslim clergy council that dictates and controls Iran.

This is a man who openly ridiculed Israel and called its people and its leaders chicken for not returning to a 67 border that exposed Israel's civilians to thousands of deaths from terrorists.

This is a man who openly embraces Iran.

How can one even talk of an Israel lobby?

The Jews of the US did not flock to support Israel as the anti semites ont his board claim only to see them flip and flop and suddenly present posts about how good Jews in the US turned on Israel (the bad Jews).

The people who do oppose Obama are everyone of every religion, creed, colour and of course Republicans not just some fake Israel lobby you make up.

There is no Israel lobby. There are people who oppose Obama.There are those Americans who believe Obama is a lying, sob who has betrayed not just the US but all its allies including Canada, Britain, France Germany Italy, Australia, Egypot, Saudi Arabia. Jordan, Egypt with his double dealings and out and out lies.

He unilaterally threatened to expose British and French nuclear sites to Putin without their consent . He threatened to shoot down Israeli and Saudi jets if they engaged in an air mission to Iran to blow up a nuclear weapons site that to this day is not one of the sites to be allegedly monitored in his sham of a deal. He supports the Muslim Brotherhood in Jordan trying to overthrow Abdullah a close US ally.

He openly turned on Britain over how to handle the ground wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. He openly screwed Harper over a pipeline.

He has stripped the US Navy of proper operational capacity to monitor Iran in high seas.

He has rejected and refused to help the French military initiative in fighting extremist Muslim terrorists in North Africa. He ridiculed Italy, France, Britain and Canada's air war in Libya then not long after demanded one in Syria to clean up his mess.

This is a man who has run amuck and openly placed not one but over 12 Muslim Brotherhood anti Israel supporters in the White House.

You want to talk Israel lobby?

Really?

The mythical Israel lobby is an anti semitic invention that continues the Jewish cabal myth of thousands of years.

In fact in terms of country lobbies it is dwarfed by Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, China, and the actual biggest one Britain believe it or not.

In fact if there is a so called Israel lobby why is it today as we speak, in fact the closet military ally of Israel is CHINA who Obama despises and Germany whose leader is openly spied on by Obama.

It was Israel not the US that supplied Jordan with recycled helicopters to fight a guerilla war in Jordan being incited by Iranian extremists and the Muslim Brotherhood .

AIPAC when it has been able to lobby policies favourable to Israel has done so because its policies are made to coincide with large military industrial corporations who have used Israel as a valuable technological partner to develop weapons which in turn are sold to other nations.

The technology in Israel in partnership with the US has employed millions of Americans and provided technology we use in medicine and every day life.

This so called lobby is the same lobby that Obama can easily ignore as he has.

Obama has openly insulted Netanyahu. He has managed to have the Democratic Party charter changed to delete any support of Israel.

He deliberately leaked a photo to the world media of him sitting at his desk talking to Netanyahu with his shoes on the desk. In the Muslim world this is a blatant sign of disrespect. This was calculated to be broadcast to the Muslim world to send one message to its leaders and another to the US where no one even noticed it

No leader has ever used his underlings like Obama to call into question another leader as being afraid of peace as he did with Netanyahu and showed him to be a petulant, passive aggressive man-as bad as the display with Putin over Syria. a man who whe challenged sulks and has hissy fits rather than stand tall for his nation. A man who puts his own ego and vanity before his nations' interests,

Obama bowed to the Saudi King kissing a ring on his hand. That was a calculated image presented to the Arab world the US was submitting to Islam. That and his speech calling for open support of the Muslim Brotherhood while snubbing Israel and then attending Jewish events to selectively tell US Jews not to support Israel set the stage for his policy.

This is a man who sent a message to the Christian grassroots movement that supports Israel that he openly was turning his back not just on Israel but Christians in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan and Nigeria. This is a man who gave this Christian audience a loud and clear message-look at me I am Christian but I attend a church whose leader openly ridicules basic Christian doctrine and calls for the destruction of Israel, depicts Jews as evil and white Christians as evil. An out and out racist, anti-Semitic, anti Christian bigot of the worst kind.

Over an 8 year span hundreds of his speeches have started with and end with apologies for the US being no.1 and how it is no longer no.1.

Whoever was behind the momentum and strategy of putting Obama in power and of course there has to be an invisible machine of prop and support, their agenda chose to embrace the foreign policy of Zbigniew Brezinski, Jimmy Carter's security advisor and saw this aging anti-Semitic, anti cold war Soviet, anti French/British/Italian/German paranoid man be appointed his ME advisor.

The man is openly senile and so demented that in interviews his ramblings are so bad, interviewers go to commercial as he goes off on tirades about imagined enemies of the US that no longer exist.

This discredited approach which sees Russia as the no.1 world enemy and Iran as the closest ally of the US and its rejecting alliances with Israel, NATO, Saudi Arabia, Egypt an Arab monarchies is based on a blend of Brezinski cold war philosophy and using the Muslim Brotherhood network as the way to control Sunni Muslims while at the same time placating Iran.

It's the reason the alliance with the Muslim Brotherhood has turned most Sunni states against them and left them fighting both an out of control Muslim Brotherhood extremist faction called ISIL and Iran at the same time.

Its failed Jimmy Carter foreign policy.

To say Israel has lobbied against Obama means what?

Netanyahu could not be more open in his opposition to Obama while at the same time embracing the US and saying its not the US Israel is against its Obama. There's no lobby. If there really was one Netanyahu would not have visibly had to go out on the limb he did with his messages.

The fact is the Democrats as well as Republicans have both supported Israel's right to exist, rejected terrorism of any kind, and supported a two state solution and now many Democrats openly side with Republicans against Obama over his foreign policy.

Never have we seen a US leader openly encourage support of terrorists to the point where Kerry went to Jerusalem and made a speech calling for an intifada by Hamas on the West Bank if Israel did not return to 67 borders not only insulting Netanyahu but sending a message to Abbas that the US rejected him and supported Hamas.

That speech triggered an unsuccessful assassination plot by Hamas against Abbas, triggered a war by Hamas against Israel, and long before that had already given Morsi the green light to send weapons and cement to Hamas and allow the Sinai to be flooded with anti Israel terrorists.

Kerry openly told Hamas to rip up a peace treaty with Israel arranged by Egypt after Morsi was thrown out causing that war to go on an extra three weeks before Hamas settled at the exact same terms showing Kerry to be a completely discredited moron.

Who would say Israel was lobbying as Obama and Kerry have openly insulted Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Israel let alone the Muslim Brotherhood in Jordan and acted as an advocate for Hamas referring to Hamas as a legitimate peace partner!

Lobby?

Look at what Obama did in Egypt.

He openly supported Morsi who called for the mass killing of Coptic Christians. He openly supported this man and his supposed popular uprising while he ignored Erdogan crush an identical uprising in Turkey and remained silent as Iran killed over 120,000 of its citizens who tried to challenge its government in an uprising.

Where have you been in the last 8 years as Obama has done everything possible to control the ME through a Muslim Brotherhood clique. That clique is still exterminating Christians in Sudan. His half brother finances that continued slaughter. He refuses to assist the Nigerian government fight Boca Raton or France in Malawi against Al Quaeda. His family in Kenya is openly allied with radical Muslims in Somalia, Malawi, Nigeria.

Lobby?

Israel wishes it had the ability to have stopped this man from what he has done. Bottom line-Obama's legacy will begin and end with Americans not Israel. They will decide what to do with this man and the damage he has created and Israel knows that-it can only react as other nations do and who are put in peril by his policies and wait for him to go.

Edited August 26, 2015 by Rue

Big Guy · August 26, 2015

Welcome to chaos and stupidity. Syrian dictator Assad is certain that Russia and Iran do and will continue to support him and his regime.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34058893

We are bombing ISIS who are trying to take Assad out. Iran is in the process of signing a nuclear deal with the West and improving relations with the West. We currently have economic sanctions against Russia because they are supporting rebels in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine but turning a blind eye to Israel where it as slowly absorbing Palestinian land and driving the Palestinians into the sea.

Meanwhile the Kurds are in Syria fighting ISIS and annexing Syrian land.

I am waiting until Canadian foreign policy somehow works its way into the election campaign.

We have no idea why we are there, who we are bombing and why we are doing it.

Looks like we will have to leave it to Iran to work out.

Rue · August 26, 2015

There you go again Big Guy using the royal prerogative. Speak for yourself. Stop using the word "we". You do not speak for me or any other Canadian. You speak for yourself.

I like others happen to know why Canada is involved. Speak for yourself.

Argus · August 26, 2015

You are both strange and funny not to mention very dishonest and illogical. The fact is that all indications are that the congress is going to approve Iran nuclear deal or not have enough votes to prevent Obama from a veto so it is very likely going ahead no matter how much you and your friend trying to mislead public opinion against the deal or Iran.

I'm actually more or less in favour of the deal. Surprised?

But you haven't yet answered my question. You keep dancing around it and refusing to go near it. Why is Israel afraid of Iran? Why does Israel hate Iran? They don't even have a mutual border. They have no relationship of any kind, are not trade rivals, are not elbowing for influence over neighbours or fighting for resources.

Why? Tell me why. Come on, you know why. You just don't want to say it.

Edited August 26, 2015 by Argus

CITIZEN_2015 · August 26, 2015

Well you never asked me a clear and direct question but why you think that I know why and don't want to say it beats me!!!.

Israel is afraid of Iran because Iran is becoming a regional superpower both militarily and economically.

Edited October 25, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015

Rue · August 27, 2015

Citizen you refuse to acknowledge that Iran at this time is financing terrorists world wide, many who are dedicated to destroying Israel violently.

You reoeatedly ignore the facts that:

1- its leader wrote a book he distributed to his masses calling for the end of Israel

2- the rhetoric from Iran daily on Fars news agency calls out for the on-going war to end the Jewish state

3-it has a direct culpability for Jews in South America through terrorist planted bombs .

Your response to Argus once again provides avoidance of the basic issue you are well aware of and that is Iran is currently at war with Israel.

Your refusal to acknowledge Iran's on-going war with Israel speaks for itself.

You say to be honest you don't know much about the Arab Israeli conflict? I call that statement a load of b.s. contradicted by your words in very same sentence you claimed that lack of knowledge.

The fact you responded as you did white washing terrorists being financed by Iran to destroy Israel as and I quote, "civilians joining the army of forces ready to die fighting Israel " I would contend shows you have distinct opinions that anti Israel terrorists financed by Iran are martyrs.

Those words white wash what those Iran financed terrorists are. What you refer to as an " army of forces ready to die fighting Israel " are in fact terrorist cells called Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad etc.. Have the integrity to call them what and who they are anf who finances them. They are terrorists financed by Iran to destroy Israel. Stop couching it and admit it for what it is.

You really think if you refer to Hezbollah as an... "army of forces ready to die fighting Israel" it will sanitize their stink?.

"..ready to die fighting for Israel...." spare me the martyr rhetoric.... these terrorists don't die, but they sure as hell are ready to have their children, pregnant women, the disabled, the elderly, and other innocent civilians die for their cause-the destruction of Israel.

Don't depict them as martyrs on this board. They are cowards. They won't fight as an army- in fact they are cowards who wear civilian clothes because of their cowardice- they hide behind their own people using them a façade and fodder -they won't fight any army but they will kill unarmed civilians in surprise attacks-so spare me your martyr rhetoric. They are not martyrs or heroes-they are cowards who wear women's clothes and get their mothers and children to do their dirty work. Spare me the b.s.

You even have the aduacity to white wash the term "destroying Israel" with the term "fighting Israel".

The actual original Hezbollah script reference you borrowed from originally reads, " citizens of the jihad prepared to die destroying Israel". Oh come now at least quote it properly. White washing "destroying" Israel to "fighting" Israel fools who? Hmm?

Would you have me believe your translator from Farsi to English was off and you do not know the difference between "fighting" and "destroying". What you want to pretend the holy jihad is about simply spitting at on another? It calls for the extermination of al Jews world wide. Its why Iran finances the killing of Jews world wide. Go on explain how blowing up Jews in South America with Iran rained terrorists is only an attack on Zionist Jews...go on explain because your government says it has nothing against Jews, just Zionist ones then goes and kills innocent Jews in South America simply because they are Jews. Go on. Explain how if Iran only has a problem with its Jews, it denies the holocaust happened and claims it was a Zionist made up story. Go on explain.

Go on lecture me on how wonderful Jews have it in Iran. Right.

You want to advance Iran's cause against Israel, come out and do it. This white washed sub texting is a joke.

Peek a boo, I see you and the script on your desk. Never changes no matter how much you sugar coat it.

Edited August 27, 2015 by Rue

Argus · August 27, 2015

Israel is afraid of Iran because Iran is becoming a regional superpower both militarily and economically.

Turkey is far stronger and while it doesn't have Iranian oil, it actually could conquer Israel if it wanted to pay the price. Why isn't Israel concerned about Turkey? Egypt is also much stronger than Iran, with a huge army right on Israel's border. Why isn't Israel concerned about Egypt?

The ruling system wanting to end the Zionist state.

Ah, so they do.

Israel may not hate Iran or its people but since it is afraid of it them...

So here we get to the basis of things. Israel fears Iran because Iran wants to destroy them. Perhaps you would agree that it is not illogical to fear a powerful country which wants to destroy you? Yet you seem to condemn Israel for having that fear. You appear to be taking the position that Israel opposing Iran getting more powerful is illegitimate despite their very legitimate fear of being attacked. Have I misstated things?

Israel and Iran were not enemies prior to the rise of the mullahs in Iran and the advent of Iran as a theocratic state. In other words, there are no old grievances, no old angers, no old hostilities provoking the present state of affairs between them. The religious fundamentalists who rule Iran have taken the position that the Israeli state must be destroyed, and have actively worked in pursuit of their destruction by funneling arms, munitions, advisors and money to groups which attack Israel. Which, by any interpretation of international law, are acts of war. They have also threatened on many occasions to destroy Israel, and stated it is the main aim of their government.

And yet your position appears to be that Israel is 'bad' for resenting, fearing or taking any action against Iran.

Edited August 27, 2015 by Argus

Rue · August 28, 2015

Yah I get the silence.

CITIZEN_2015 · August 28, 2015

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Argus · August 29, 2015

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In a decade or two Israel may face an enemy for a first time in its history who is stronger than itself and this frightens them. That said, you must SEEK THE REASON AS WHY ISRAEL HAS ENEMIES and the answer is in their oppressive policies (and those they bless or support like armed vigilante settlers) towards weaker mostly defenseless people

Well, this might make sense, if the enemies you speak of had a great respect for human rights, but they do not. In fact, Iran has just about the worst human rights record you can get. It has the second highest reported executions in the world, after China, and executes the most juveniles in the world. It allows no free press and is one of the worst places in the world for jailing journalists. It has no free court system. It is a politically repressive regime which jails and executes people for morals offenses such as having sex out of wedlock. Given that, the idea they despise Israel because of Israel's 'oppressive policies" seems more than slightly unlikely. I don't believe Israel has any sort of policy which you can deem oppressive which Iran does not also have given the regimes absolute intolerance to criticism.

GostHacked · August 30, 2015

Citizen you refuse to acknowledge that Iran at this time is financing terrorists world wide, many who are dedicated to destroying Israel violently.

Israel has taken part in terrorism against other nations. Israel has taken part in terrorism and aggression against Iran.

BOTH sides are f'n guilty,

CITIZEN_2015 · August 31, 2015

Well, this might make sense, if the enemies you speak of had a great respect for human rights, but they do not. In fact, Iran has just about the worst human rights record you can get. It has the second highest reported executions in the world, after China, and executes the most juveniles in the world. It allows no free press and is one of the worst places in the world for jailing journalists. It has no free court system. It is a politically repressive regime which jails and executes people for morals offenses such as having sex out of wedlock. Given that, the idea they despise Israel because of Israel's 'oppressive policies" seems more than slightly unlikely. I don't believe Israel has any sort of policy which you can deem oppressive which Iran does not also have given the regimes absolute intolerance to criticism.

It has been said many times by many members before and I say it one more time. Israel doesn't have any respect for human rights either (and I regard people in occupied lands as humans too and their lives taken and rights violated every time Israel attacks and many killed or lose their homes as a result of incursions). So for the same token it makes Israel a dangerous enemy too especially one who already has hundreds of nuclear weapons (and Iran likely does not have or have at most one). Then lets not be biased in our assessments Argus.

Edited September 1, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015

Argus · September 1, 2015

It has been said many times by many members before and I say it one more time. Israel doesn't have any respect for human rights either (and I regard people in occupied lands as humans too and their lives taken and rights violated every time Israel attacks and many killed or lose their homes as a result of incursions). So for the same token it makes Israel a dangerous enemy too especially one who already has hundreds of nuclear weapons (and Iran likely does not have or have at most one). Then lets not be biased in our assessments Argus.

It might have been 'said' but that is demonstrably untrue. Israel, unlike Iran, has an independent judiciary. Israel, unlike Iran, has a free press. Israel, unlike Iran, has freedom of religion. Israel proper, has free and open democratic elections which Muslims are allowed to both vote in and run their own candidates. Israel has even allowed the territories to elect whomever they want to be their government. Iran hasn't done such a thing even for its own people. I also don't believe Israel has often been accused of torturing prisoners to death, as Iran has done, or raping female prisoners, an accusation often made towards Iran, or of executing prisoners.

So once again, while Israel's human rights record is far from unblemished, I find it passing odd to suggest Iran, with an abyssal human rights record, would hate and threaten Israel because of Israel's human rights record. I'm afraid that simply makes no sense to me.