Argus Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Let them in and then send them straight to jail. That's fine. On what charge? And how long do you plan on keeping them there? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 To do that you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they commited some kind of crime... And personally I dont give a rats ass if Canadians go and fight against the Assad regime, or the Iranian proxy that runs Iraq for that matter. Let em go, fight, and come back. And once back here they'd settle in and be friends with the rest of us? The ISIS types have been spewing vitrole and hatred for all non Suuni Muslims from the start. Why on earth would you figure people who would join them and fight with them would then come back here and live peacefully amongst all these filthy Jews and Christians and Hindus and other kafirs? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 We took one off your hands after he attempted to blow up LAX...he rots in a U.S. federal prison. In Canada, he would be back on the street. Unfortunately, you are quite correct. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Army Guy Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 One thing in common for both these killers was they wanted to leave Canada and were prevented from doing so. Why? I thought that the old East Germany was the only country that would not let you leave. (Maybe Gaza is another). If a person wants to leave then great! Goodbye! Then the minute they leave we flag their passport for if/when they want back in. Then we screen them accordingly. Screen them for what ? inless we have them on film, or photo fighting or doing terrorist acts what do we screen them for....unless they happen to say i'm a terrorist i was fighting how do we prove that in a court of law, we can take away a passprt , but we can't strip them from being Canadian without proof....having the laws is one thing ,having effective laws is another....in other words they are free to travel any where in the world when you get back you may be stripped of a passport....ouch that hurts give me another.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Argus Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Ahh the depth of ignorance prevails. He'd be on the streets of Algeria. It took us what, eight years to expel Charles NG? We still have terrorists we aren't allowed to deport because the courts believe their lives would be in danger back in their home countries. They're walking around free. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Yes if those countries are dropping bombs on the middle east to stop sunnis from overthrowing Assad then they are putting their citizens at risk. Allowing groups like ISIS to thrive would be putting our citizens at much greater risk. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
guyser Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 It took us what, eight years to expel Charles NG? We still have terrorists we aren't allowed to deport because the courts believe their lives would be in danger back in their home countries. They're walking around free. Charles Ng was a terrorist? I guess he terrorized, I'll grant you that. Of the terrorists walking the streets now, how many of them are proven to have lied to gain entry, how many have warrants for their arrest? How many were being watched for to pick up and deport. Come on Argus, leave the ignorance for the idiot in Minnesota. Quote
Argus Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 There seems to be an awful lot of latitude for the sorts of people who've supported dictators and warlords that are every bit as bad or worse than ISIS. Even our allies torture, murder and behead their enemies. What's your point? Oh, I realize the public proclamation is we're helping against ISIS because ISIS are nasty people harming all sorts of innocent folks in the middle east. But you know that's not the truth. This is self-serving. The current regimes might be bastards, but they're sane bastards who aren't likely to attack us. ISIS is quite a different kettle of fish. They are old style Muslims taking their queue from Muhammad himself, wanting to establish an Islamic state as far as their swords will let them go, conquering or killing anyone who opposes them. People have decried their brutality and barbarism, but there's nothing they're doing that Muhammad didn't do, including the taking of females as slaves, concubines and wives, regardless of how unwilling those females might be. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Charles Ng was a terrorist? I guess he terrorized, I'll grant you that. Of the terrorists walking the streets now, how many of them are proven to have lied to gain entry, how many have warrants for their arrest? How many were being watched for to pick up and deport. Come on Argus, leave the ignorance for the idiot in Minnesota. Harkat comes to mind. We've been trying to deport him for fourteen years now. The Suresh case comes to mind, as well. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Scared.In.Canada Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 We need to attack the Islamic Extremists just like we do with the organized crime. i don't get it. We are ok going after white criminals but when it comes to black urban thugs or Muslim fanatics we do nothing because of political correctness. This disgusting attitude makes me glad I don't live in the scum riddden cities of this or any country. Quote
guyser Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Harkat comes to mind. We've been trying to deport him for fourteen years now. The Suresh case comes to mind, as well.Neither of them are proven terrorists, nor lied to get in Canada Quote
GostHacked Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 I see....just let ISIS rampage across the Middle East, consolidating as they go - with little or no opposition....chopping heads off, killing thousands who do not capitulate completely to their twisted ideology. We can argue till the cows come home about how we got where we are today Learn history or we are doomed to repeat it. Guess what we are doing .. again. - but the reality is that we're here......and it doesn't at all matter whether we drop bombs or not - these nutbars hate the West - they hate anything that is different from them. They are coming after us - sooner or later. The Lone Wolf radicalization is just another disgusting tool in the terrorist toolbox. There's no place for Neville Chamberlain with these guys. The real interesting thing to note is what Parliament was going to vote on yesterday. That vote was to give CSIS more broad powers both in and outside of the country. The last few times we have seen something like that get rammed through, the Supreme Court of Canada each time sided with Canadians and upheld the constitution, ruling that the powers would violate the rights of Canadian citizens. Quote
Black Dog Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Harkat comes to mind. We've been trying to deport him for fourteen years now. Maybe if they were able to present evidence he was an actual terrorist, that would help. Quote
Black Dog Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Ottawa gunman was a drug addict Quote
GostHacked Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Ottawa gunman was a drug addict That's a prerequisite for a lone gunman. 1 - drug addiction. 2 - mental health issues 3 - homelessness/transient 4 - religious radicalization (not necessarily Islam) Quote
hitops Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Learn history or we are doomed to repeat it. Guess what we are doing .. again. The real interesting thing to note is what Parliament was going to vote on yesterday. That vote was to give CSIS more broad powers both in and outside of the country. The last few times we have seen something like that get rammed through, the Supreme Court of Canada each time sided with Canadians and upheld the constitution, ruling that the powers would violate the rights of Canadian citizens. Opinions change when reality for the people holding those opinions changes. It's great that we don't need to be a police state, but it's possible that with increasing threats, we need to slightly edge in that direction. It's about compromise and finding the right balance. The doctrine of Islam, out of the mouth of Mohammed, is one of dominance and violent. If you are not Muslim, you ARE inferior, and subjugating your is legitimate. All the supposedly peaceful tenants, apply to Muslim on Muslim, not to you. That is the doctrine in the text. True believers will follow that. Millions upon million more behave themselves, but support the fundies, or sympathize with them. They hate the west, and they have you. Our government cannot change those people, but they do have to deal with the reality. That's a prerequisite for a lone gunman. 1 - drug addiction. 2 - mental health issues 3 - homelessness/transient 4 - religious radicalization (not necessarily Islam) Except that it's pretty much only Islam. Do a quick calc of all the in-the-name-of-religion killing today, it's 99.9% Islam. Edited October 23, 2014 by hitops Quote
cybercoma Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Except that it's pretty much only Islam. Do a quick calc of all the in-the-name-of-religion killing today, it's 99.9% Islam. You may recall recently an incident in Moncton..... Quote
hitops Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 You may recall recently an incident in Moncton..... Red herrings much? It's so funny how folks so desperate to prove 'it's not just Islam' can find these 1 or 2-3 death incidents to 'prove it'. Never mind the literally tens of thousands of killings directly attributed to be 'for Allah' over the last decade, and active, organized groups who specifically cite Islam as their raison d'etre and the motivation behind their very public calls to murder non-Muslims (Jew or other). But ya, it's 'just crazy people' isn't it? Guess that's why you hear about all those Buddhist groups from poor countries who can't find employment always founding violent groups eh? Quote
Scared.In.Canada Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 That's a prerequisite for a lone gunman. 1 - drug addiction. 2 - mental health issues 3 - homelessness/transient 4 - religious radicalization (not necessarily Islam) But it was Islam. you canot ignore that fact. Its very important fact. Quote
Peter F Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Not important in the least. Gunman shoots somebody then tries to shoot somebody else. Should the response have been different for a non-muslim perp? Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Scared.In.Canada Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Not important in the least. Gunman shoots somebody then tries to shoot somebody else. Should the response have been different for a non-muslim perp? It's muslims who are actively trying to wipe us off t he map so when a few of them gfo on a shooting and/or killing rampage yeah I'd say their religion is very relevant. Edited October 23, 2014 by Scared.In.Canada Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Not important in the least. Gunman shoots somebody then tries to shoot somebody else. Should the response have been different for a non-muslim perp? Good point. It sounds like some here would have us going around arresting everyone who exits a mosque. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Red herrings much? It's so funny how folks so desperate to prove 'it's not just Islam' can find these 1 or 2-3 death incidents to 'prove it'. Never mind the literally tens of thousands of killings directly attributed to be 'for Allah' over the last decade, and active, organized groups who specifically cite Islam as their raison d'etre and the motivation behind their very public calls to murder non-Muslims (Jew or other). But ya, it's 'just crazy people' isn't it? Guess that's why you hear about all those Buddhist groups from poor countries who can't find employment always founding violent groups eh? Bourque shot and killed 3 RCMP officers and seriously injured two more. In Mayerthorpe, James Roszko murdered 4 RCMP officers. Go back further still and we talk about Marc Lépine murdering 14 people in the École Polytechnique massacre in 1989. But yeah...we better be careful of those Muslims. Quote
Scared.In.Canada Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Mosques should be made illegal. No churches in Saudi Arabia, no mosques in Canada. We don't need them here. We were just fine before the Muslims got here. We'd get along without them. Quote
Scared.In.Canada Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Bourque shot and killed 3 RCMP officers and seriously injured two more. In Mayerthorpe, James Roszko murdered 4 RCMP officers. Go back further still and we talk about Marc Lépine murdering 14 people in the École Polytechnique massacre in 1989. But yeah...we better be careful of those Muslims. Those were lone nut jobs. This is something different. This is a worldwide threat to our society. It's already happening in Europe over cartoons in newspapers. I really cannot wait to see what you'll be saying once the Muslims start beheading people in our streetsw in Canada. Will you still be so dismissive? Quote
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