On Guard for Thee Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 Coulda fooled me, but then, that's a typical response from a group which consistently tries to suppress opposing opinions. e.g. vigorous opposition to Sun News I think a lot of the opposition is to the lop sided, board room driven sensationalism masquerading as news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 Fox doesn't really cover Canadian news, so no.Thats why you spend over 90% of your time talking about Obama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 Coulda fooled me, but then, that's a typical response from a group which consistently tries to suppress opposing opinions. e.g. vigorous opposition to Sun NewsNobidy watches Sun News because it's sensationalist garbage and uninformed commentary masquerading as "reporting." Going bankrupt because you suck at what you do isn't some left wing conspiracy to suppress the channel. It's free market capitalism at its finest, showing you exactly what people think of your radical and extreme views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) The study doesn't seem to say if people are blocking those with *opposing* views either.This study more confirms what I noticed myself: people with left wing views frequently seek to censor people they disagree with rather than engage in a constructive debate. The climate debate is a good example where lefties constantly dismiss critics as 'deniers' actively pressure the media that allows them to express their opinion - even if their opinion is a science based moderate view that only rejects the pet policies preferred by the left wing activists. I have also seen in another case where a libertarian tried to organize a committee to legalize gay marriage in Arizona but was shunned by the left wing activists who could not tolerate his views on economics. I see it as modern incarnation of religion that has replaced the god centered churches of old and people on the left tend to be the equivalent of bible thumping evangelicals. Edited October 22, 2014 by TimG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) I debate people frequently from both sides as my views are neither conventionally left or right wing. While I've certainly had my share of vehement disagreements with right wingers, the look of shear indignation that appears on some progressive's faces when you challenge a key tenet of their ideology is something else. Try to casually question the reasoning behind "social justice" or "white privilege" and in the eyes of some, you are no longer a debating partner but a monster. When you tell a conservative something they disagree with, depending on who it is, they might perhaps come back with a really really dumb talking point, but you don't see the outrage and contempt that a progressive often exhibits. Those are at least my anecdotal experiences. Edited October 22, 2014 by Bonam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 I think it has nothing to do with political leaning but with personality. If you are an intelligent person, comfortable in your political convictions, you are always receptive to another point of view. You listen to it, evaluate it and accept it or not depending on your leaning. And you always tolerate another point of view. If you want people who disagree with you to respect your opinion then you have to respect the opinions of those who differ from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 What I find funny is in this very thread, we see some of our left-leaning posters behaving is pretty much the same way the Pew Survey says they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 Try to casually question the reasoning behind "social justice" or "white privilege" and in the eyes of some, you are no longer a debating partner but a monster. When you tell a conservative something they disagree with, depending on who it is, they might perhaps come back with a really really dumb talking point, but you don't see the outrage and contempt that a progressive often exhibits. Outrage and contempt become more apparent when you casually try to explain the reasons for things like social justice. You can try citing scientific reasons but that usually just pisses people off more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 What I find funny is in this very thread, we see some of our left-leaning posters behaving is pretty much the same way the Pew Survey says they do.Such as.............? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 The study doesn't seem to say if people are blocking those with *opposing* views either. it's heeelarious how much the 'rightees' here are trying to read into a survey with one smallish component within it focused on... Facebook and presumed blocking of differing views! Notwithstanding the survey doesn't show what they think it shows... or what they feverishly want it to show! Yes, Facebook is now the 'rightees' defacto determiner of intolerance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 This study more confirms what I noticed myself: people with left wing views frequently seek to censor people they disagree with rather than engage in a constructive debate. The climate debate is a good example where lefties constantly dismiss critics as 'deniers' actively pressure the media that allows them to express their opinion - even if their opinion is a science based moderate view that only rejects the pet policies preferred by the left wing activists. no - this survey has nothing to do with your tired old conspiracy claims of legitimate world-wide scientists 'always working to keep the poor denier man down'! "frequently seek to censor"??? Frequently... really, frequently? If it's sooooo frequent you should have no trouble providing many, many examples. Soooo many examples, in fact, that the sheer volume should act to legitimize your conspiracy, right? You should play out some of those... in an approriate thread, right. Will we have to wait long? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Blocking someone from your newsfeed is not the same thing as stopping someone from saying the stupid garbage they want to say. It's plugging your ears, not duct taping their mouths. Edited October 23, 2014 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Blocking someone from your newsfeed is not the same thing as stopping someone from saying the stupid garbage they want to say. It's plugging your ears, not duct taping their mouths. you sir are intolerant of the 'rightees' faux intolerance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 I am intolerant of intolerance. You're absolutely right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 I am intolerant of intolerance. You're absolutely right. I think you should have said "absolutely correct" lest you further confuse the right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Coulda fooled me, but then, that's a typical response from a group which consistently tries to suppress opposing opinions. e.g. vigorous opposition to Sun News Sun News is irredeemably boring. So it's not really an alternative to other news media. The few times I've clicked on it it's usually some guy in a suit spouting. They need to rent a camera and get out and take some videos, maybe hire the occasional hot blonde reporter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Nobidy watches Sun News because it's sensationalist garbage and uninformed commentary masquerading as "reporting." Which can sell very, very well if it's reasonably done. Sun sucks because it's dull and boring. Give me control of it and I'll triple viewership in no time. Ugly guys in suits standing in a studio spouting do not draw viewers. Get some good looking young people with cameras out there into the streets taking interesting videos on topics the mainstream media prefers to avoid and you'll get viewership, especially if you sensationalize things. Sensationalize some topics and you'll get the mainstream media giving you free advertising by being 'shocked and appalled'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Blocking someone from your newsfeed is not the same thing as stopping someone from saying the stupid garbage they want to say. It's plugging your ears, not duct taping their mouths. And plugging your ears is pretty much what you've accused conservatives of doing, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 I am intolerant of intolerance. You're absolutely right. Unless the intolerent people pray to Mecca. Then you'll suspend judgement and just look uncomfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 And plugging your ears is pretty much what you've accused conservatives of doing, isn't it? It's more a matter of filtering the noise through than plugging it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Unless the intolerent people pray to Mecca. Then you'll suspend judgement and just look uncomfortable.I judge people for their actions. You judge people for their skin colour and what religion they belong to. That's the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_chick Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 I've noticed this in my private life, and especially on this forum. People with liberal political views are for some reason, much more intolerant of opposing views. I think it stems from their views being reinforced by echo chambers in their private lives and especially online. http://www.journalism.org/2014/10/21/section-2-social-media-political-news-and-ideology/ Causes: Conservatives, speaking generally, are more hostile than liberals. This could be one of the reasons liberals just shut it down. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201210/why-liberal-hearts-bleed-and-conservatives-dont I've disagreed with fellow liberals on some issues and we're quite courteous to each other in our disagreement. Likewise, we have a few rational conservative posters with whom I've engaged in constructive debates and I was genuinely open to their opinions. Unfortunately, the majority of you are quite belligerent though and not worth engaging. Chalk it up as intolerance if you wish but I prefer to think it's because I'm not a masochist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 An old favorite for this topic: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 (edited) An old favorite for this topic:Captures "progressive" thinking perfectly: "if you don't agree with me you are a racist and should not be allowed to speak". The entire point of this thread. Edited November 3, 2014 by TimG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 I judge people for their actions. You judge people for their skin colour and what religion they belong to. That's the difference. No, I judge people by their actions, regardless of skin colour. That's why you're so angry, because I don't cut brown people the slack you do. The truth is you feel everyone has to make allowances for them because you don't think they're up to civilized standards of behaviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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