On Guard for Thee Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 Or maybe they're just people who have strong values and aren't about to make excuses for retrogate social behaviour and beliefs based on the skin colouring of the individuals concerned. Sounds like you are paralleling retrograde social behavior to skin color. Did you ever travel far from town hall I wonder. Quote
Argus Posted October 22, 2014 Author Report Posted October 22, 2014 Sounds like you are paralleling retrograde social behavior to skin color. Did you ever travel far from town hall I wonder. I'm pointing out the amusement value of indignant lefties condemning beliefs of violent homophobia and misogyny because they can't stand the thought of condemning largely non-white groups. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 I'm pointing out the amusement value of indignant lefties condemning beliefs of violent homophobia and misogyny because they can't stand the thought of condemning largely non-white groups. Condemning groups of anybody is pretty much not amusing to anyone, especially based solely on skin color. But carry on. Kinda your schtick it seems. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 We're speaking of potential recruits to the Canadian family. So their attitudes should play a role in that. Fundamentalist religious attitudes which are violently at odds with Canadian values ought to be a strong reason to deny them citizenship.What about fundamentalist attitudes of Canadian-born citizens? Do you make those people stateless? Quote
cybercoma Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 Did I say they can't? Of course they can.... whether or not they should is the question. Your comparisons are asinine. None of them are even remotely the same. And if someone tried to wear a clown mask to a swearing-in ceremony then they should be forced to remove it. You're right. They should. But then comparing someone's religious observances to a clown mask is insulting drivel. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 How is it imperialism to want to preserve our own culture?Because your own culture isn't even remotely threatened by them? Quote
Hudson Jones Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 Banning burqas makes tremendous progress for womens rights. If you can't see that, no one is going to convince you otherwise. What if a woman wants to wear the burqa? Banning any kind of religious gear is violating the freedom of religion and expression. Whether it's the burqa, turbin, kippah, etc. Banning and outlawing never works. Education is the way to go. Personally, I don't think it's right for me to tell someone that they can or cannot wear something, as long as it is not putting me or the society in danger. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
overthere Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 What if a woman wants to wear the burqa? Banning any kind of religious gear is violating the freedom of religion and expression. Whether it's the burqa, turbin, kippah, etc. Banning and outlawing never works. Education is the way to go. Personally, I don't think it's right for me to tell someone that they can or cannot wear something, as long as it is not putting me or the society in danger. No problem at all for me if somebody wants to wear anything or nothing. Except where establishing identity is required. Getting on a plane. Getting a passport or drivers licence. Testifying under oath. Like that. Once it is certain who the person is, they can cover what they like. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
The_Squid Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 You're right. They should. But then comparing someone's religious observances to a clown mask is insulting drivel. I'm not the one that did the comparison. But, regardless of the reason (and the Canadian Muslim Congress disagrees that it is a religious requirement), they shouldn't go about their lives covered up in a sack for any reason. And it isn't a burden to have to show your face once in a while when necessary. Quote
Hudson Jones Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 No problem at all for me if somebody wants to wear anything or nothing. Except where establishing identity is required. Getting on a plane. Getting a passport or drivers licence. Testifying under oath. Like that. Once it is certain who the person is, they can cover what they like. I would agree. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
guyser Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 I wouldn't do business with someone if I couldn't see their face.Probably 80% of my clients I have never seen. Plenty of business goes on without face to face. The face coverings do not allow these women to fully participate in society. It's sad and pathetic and is an ugly part of the culture of the places where it occurs. Canada should not be one of those places.As to the first part, I agree. But the issue should be addressed via cultural shift, not a law. Much like drunk driving is a taboo thing for one to get. Most people who get them would rather it be done in private, the $$ isnt the real shame, the public shame is pretty damn bad. However one could foster a change socially, go for it. As far as legally, screw it, too many laws , too many 'we need a law for that'. And frankly, idiots in Ottawa suck at writing laws. Quote
Argus Posted October 22, 2014 Author Report Posted October 22, 2014 Condemning groups of anybody is pretty much not amusing to anyone, especially based solely on skin color. But carry on. Kinda your schtick it seems. Yours is excusing behaviour in non-whites you'd condemn in whites because you think they're so inferior they shouldn't be held to the same standards. Typical of liberal bigots. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 22, 2014 Author Report Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) What about fundamentalist attitudes of Canadian-born citizens? Do you make those people stateless? I'm not sure what your point is. Did I suggest expelling radical Muslims? Just because we have native born criminals does that mean we can't prohibit foreign criminals from coming here? Clearly not. So just because we have homegrown radicals is no reason we shouldn't keep the foreign ones out. Edited October 22, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 Yours is excusing behaviour in non-whites you'd condemn in whites because you think they're so inferior they shouldn't be held to the same standards. Typical of liberal bigots. No I tend to keep my condemning to a case by case basis usually after there are facts known I'll let you do the other "stuff". Quote
Argus Posted October 22, 2014 Author Report Posted October 22, 2014 No I tend to keep my condemning to a case by case basis usually after there are facts known I'll let you do the other "stuff". Cool, bro. I'm not afraid to see reality, though, and talk about it. You go hide now. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Scared.In.Canada Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 In my younger days I used to yell and cure at them, making them cry often. If everyone publicly shamed them maybe we wouldn`t have this problem now, I don`t know. At the same time I know it`s their men who make them dress like this. I wonder how long it will be before Canada is like Paris or London or other parts of Europe where the police won`t go into because of the mulims controlling the area. That is what we`re heading towards. What happens in Europe happens here about 10 years later. So is that what we have to look forward to? If History is to be our teacher, then yes. Sad. And we`ll celebrate these Muslim enclaves within our cities as part of their culture right? Will this be accepted as well blindly? Will the rest of be guilted into accepting this is as our new reality? The Liberals have removed what was left of our spine long ago, Trudeau made sure of that. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Cool, bro. I'm not afraid to see reality, though, and talk about it. You go hide now. Hide? From what? That'll be the day. Quote
Scared.In.Canada Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) I think it may be time for a nation wide ban on the face viel. yesterdays Muslim terrorist shooting spree which killed people, the other Muslim who intentionally ran down two soldiers. It`s becoming clear that the problem is the Muslim. That is the common demoninator in all of this. The people calling for the death to Canada are Muslim. The people who are bombing things are Muslim. The ones doing the honour killings are Muslim. The ones beheading journalists are Muslim. See the trend? it`s time to stop hiding your head in the sand and wake up tothe reality around you. Stop being an armchair expert and really see what`s going on in the world around you. So lets follow Quebecs lead and BAN THE VIEL!!!!! Edited October 23, 2014 by Scared.In.Canada Quote
Black Dog Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 I think it may be time for a nation wide ban on the face viel. yesterdays Muslim terrorist shooting spree which killed people, the other Muslim who intentionally ran down two soldiers. It`s becoming clear that the problem is the Muslim. That is the common demoninator in all of this. The people calling for the death to Canada are Muslim. The people who are bombing things are Muslim. The ones doing the honour killings are Muslim. The ones beheading journalists are Muslim. See the trend? it`s time to stop hiding your head in the sand and wake up tothe reality around you. Stop being an armchair expert and really see what`s going on in the world around you. So lets follow Quebecs lead and BAN THE VIEL!!!!! What's it like to live in constant abject terror of things that barely effect your day to day existence? Quote
cybercoma Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) What's it like to live in constant abject terror of things that barely effect your day to day existence? Please stop quoting him. I don't have to see Merlin's posts if they're not quoted. Edited October 23, 2014 by cybercoma Quote
carepov Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 It apalls me that no one will stand up for the abused women who are forced to wear this burqa by their men. They are only allowed to speak to women, never allowed to talk to men except husbands, forbidden to work, must have sex on demand and bear many sons against their will. Being repeatedly raped nightly. This is what I call slavery, what do you call it? This is what some Muslim men are doing to their women. And no one is helping the Muslim women because the yare afraid of the Muslim man? Yes, I would call it slavery - this description is one one the worst violations of human rights and must be stopped. However banning the burqa in citizenship ceremonies does nothing to prootect these women. Quote
carepov Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 We're speaking of potential recruits to the Canadian family. So their attitudes should play a role in that. Fundamentalist religious attitudes which are violently at odds with Canadian values ought to be a strong reason to deny them citizenship. You cannot accurately judge a persons attitudes based on what a person wears. Anarchist values are also at odds with Canadian values - probably more so than the typical burqa wearing womann that just want to live her own life and not spread her values to others. And again, what diference does it really make to our society if the person becomes a Citizen or remains a permanent resident? Quote
Argus Posted October 23, 2014 Author Report Posted October 23, 2014 You cannot accurately judge a persons attitudes based on what a person wears. Anarchist values are also at odds with Canadian values - probably more so than the typical burqa wearing womann that just want to live her own life and not spread her values to others. And again, what diference does it really make to our society if the person becomes a Citizen or remains a permanent resident? I don't want anarchists here either. And in this case I think what they're wearing self-identifies as the kind of person we don't want. If these people were screened for social attitudes at the beginning they wouldn't ever be allowed to set foot in Canada. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
guyser Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) If these people were screened for social attitudes at the beginning they wouldn't ever be allowed to set foot in Canada.What sort of questions would one pose to a prospectee to find out? Edited October 23, 2014 by Guyser2 Quote
hitops Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Yours is excusing behaviour in non-whites you'd condemn in whites because you think they're so inferior they shouldn't be held to the same standards. Typical of liberal bigots. That's the irony isn't it? But they will never realize it. I'm not sure what your point is. Did I suggest expelling radical Muslims? Just because we have native born criminals does that mean we can't prohibit foreign criminals from coming here? Clearly not. So just because we have homegrown radicals is no reason we shouldn't keep the foreign ones out. Here here. Certain areas of the world are tough places to live and breed a high proportion of violent or anti-western individuals. Generally these areas are Islamic. Certain areas are tough places to live, but don't produce many of those individuals. Generally, these are non-Islamic. It's not wrong to use statistical probabilities to determine who should come here. Edited October 23, 2014 by hitops Quote
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