cybercoma Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 Don't tell the Conservatives that the government runs the economy. That's some Commie nonsense. They ain't no damn Commies! Quote
waldo Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 What Harper did in his teens would matter if that Harper was running against Trudeau. But he isn't. The runoff is between Harper 2015 and Trudeau 2015. so you keep saying; again, this is about the hippoooocracy of partisan Harperites when it's pointed out their 'early guy' wasn't quite the image they project. Harper won his MP seat twice before becoming leader of the Conservative Party. Trudeau won his MP seat twice before becoming leader of the Liberal Party. now, if you're content to have Harper Conservatives run on the Harper record in 2015... good on ya! Quote
waldo Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 Don't tell the Conservatives that the government runs the economy. That's some Commie nonsense. They ain't no damn Commies! huh! I thought Harper ran the economy... he's an economist, don't you know! Granted, Harper never actually had a related job to legitimize calling him an economist, but book learnin, is book learnin! Quote
overthere Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 huh! I thought Harper ran the economy... he's an economist, don't you know! Granted, Harper never actually had a related job to legitimize calling him an economist, but book learnin, is book learnin! Wally Wally Wally you are living in the past. Harper has been working full time and then some for about 10 years now as an economist. Pretty much all that time that Justin was nailing his dramatic chops, Stephen was at g8 and G20 meetings dealing with global recessions and such. Have you forgotten already? Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
cybercoma Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 huh! I thought Harper ran the economy... he's an economist, don't you know! Granted, Harper never actually had a related job to legitimize calling him an economist, but book learnin, is book learnin! Harper doesn't run the economy. All the negative things that happen in the economy are the economy's fault. Obama, on the other hand, he controls the US economy and definitely not the banks. Quote
Argus Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 Harper fetching Manning's coffee, carrying his bags and taking his phone calls!!! Grow up. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
waldo Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) @overwhere?, overwhere?, overwhere? ..... and here I thought Harper was a politician... who likes to be called an economist... correction, a "trained" economist! Of course... you struggle with reality versus Harper Conservative "nuance" that likes to play off that Econ degree and tag Harper with the economist label. Interestingly, I don't seem to recall anyone ever labeling leaders of other G8 countries... "economists" - go figure, hey! Edited October 20, 2014 by waldo Quote
waldo Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 Grow up. hey now! If you're going to expect your grandiose elevation/exageration of the young-pup Harper's resume would go unchallenged... Quote
August1991 Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 Chretian wrote 'Straight From The Heart" before he became PM.Jean Chretien did not write "Straight From The Heart" or "Dans la fosse aux lions". He used a ghostwriter. Trudeau Snr did the same for his "Memoirs" - although he did get involved for the filmed version. (If you want to enjoy the genuine writing of Trudeau Snr, read his 'Federalism and the French-Canadians' - he supervised the English translation - or the first chapter of "La grève de l'amiante". Both works are arguably the best political writing ever in Canada.) ==== Trudeau Jnr has all but admitted that he employed a ghostwriter for this book. It's probably a wise decision: politicians typically make for turgid writers. Words spoken are not the same as words written. Quote
overthere Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 so you keep saying; again, this is about the hippoooocracy of partisan Harperites when it's pointed out their 'early guy' wasn't quite the image they project. Harper won his MP seat twice before becoming leader of the Conservative Party. Trudeau won his MP seat twice before becoming leader of the Liberal Party. now, if you're content to have Harper Conservatives run on the Harper record in 2015... good on ya! Of course Harper has to run on his record in 2015. Your problem, the one you desperately want to avoid, is that The Hair has no record to run on..... But that will be both an asset and a liability for Trudeau. If you haven't done anything in your life, you have neither successes or failkures. Harper doesn't have that ambiguity. Some Canadians will note their is a teeensy weensy difference between running a constituency office(Trudeau) and running a nation(Harper). Others won't notice it, and that is your target audience Wally. You can pretend otherwise and I do understand why you must pretend otherwise- because it is a significant chink in the Trudeau brand , but there it is. You've got a year or so to close the chink, starting with the book and Trudeau bashfully and sheepishly admitting he sometimes talks too much.http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/20/time-to-get-serious-justin-trudeau-admits-his-off-the-cuff-jokes-give-political-fodder-to-his-opponents/ The comments by Chretien are part of the same program, like anybody cares what that corrupt old asshole has to say. The spin machine is revving up hard, hard , hard. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
waldo Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 The Hair has no record to run on..... as I recall, although you're one of several fixated on JT's "Hair", you're the most flagrant abuser in that regard, repeatedly mentioning it. I would suggest caution given a possible suspension... like the one I received for simply responding in kind with a reference to Harper's Helmet Hair. Will I get another suspension... or given your (and others) repeat references to JT's "Hair" should I be ok? Quote
waldo Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 The comments by Chretien are part of the same program, like anybody cares what that corrupt old asshole has to say. The spin machine is revving up hard, hard , hard. certainly fervent Harper Conservative supporters, like you, won't care what Chretien has to say. And yes, the Harper Conservative spin machine is revving up hard, hard, hard... your favoured guy still has time to turn around his slide and attempt to get a large cross-section of Canadians to forget about all that is wrong with Harper and Harper Conservatives. . Quote
Keepitsimple Posted October 21, 2014 Author Report Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) There is no doubt that Trudeau has a tremendous opportunity to lead the Liberals out of the wilderness. He continues to lead in the polls and after 10 years, a portion of center and center/left voters are looking for an alternative. All Trudeau has to do is start to publicly display some grasp of the issues beyond criticisms and platitudes - and demonstrate some caliber of leadership. It's there for the taking - just like it was with Ignatieff. The ground has been tilled and fertilized with the "he's in over his head" framing......all he has to do is prove otherwise. Recent results are not positive. It's getting more interesting with each passing month. This election is shaping up as one of the most compelling in history with three plausible alternatives. What the polls will find difficult to capture is the voting day angst - when voters enter the booth, will a sizable number take the "safe" choice - the devil we know...... Edited October 21, 2014 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
overthere Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 There is no doubt that Trudeau has a tremendous opportunity to lead the Liberals out of the wilderness. He continues to lead in the polls and after 10 years, a portion of center and center/left voters are looking for an alternative. All Trudeau has to do is start to publicly display some grasp of the issues beyond criticisms and platitudes - and demonstrate some caliber of leadership. It's there for the taking - just like it was with Ignatieff. The ground has been tilled and fertilized with the "he's in over his head" framing......all he has to do is prove otherwise. Recent results are not positive. It's getting more interesting with each passing month. This election is shaping up as one of the most compelling in history with three plausible alternatives. What the polls will find difficult to capture is the voting day angst - when voters enter the booth, will a sizable number take the "safe" choice - the devil we know...... That would make sense, but the risk of having him speak off script is huge and likely not necessary. There are already many voters who will vote for him because he is not Harper. No need to sow confusion by having him ruin that by saying anything. Looks like Mr Trudeau himself agrees:http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/20/time-to-get-serious-justin-trudeau-admits-his-off-the-cuff-jokes-give-political-fodder-to-his-opponents/ Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Keepitsimple Posted October 21, 2014 Author Report Posted October 21, 2014 This from the Globe & Mail - OUCH! "Justin Trudeau’s opponents constantly try to brand him as unready for office, and the Liberal Leader keeps proving them wrong. Until lately, that is. Suddenly we’ve been hit with the temptation to say, Quiet, Justin. The adults are talking,” the Globe and Mail editorial board wrote. Link: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/justin-trudeaus-liberals-take-a-big-drop-in-new-poll-201217231.html Quote Back to Basics
cybercoma Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 This from the Globe & Mail - OUCH! Link: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/justin-trudeaus-liberals-take-a-big-drop-in-new-poll-201217231.html That's from the G&M, yet you post a link to Yahoo. It's also commentary from a blogger, which might as well be a forum post of someone's opinion. Also, Andy Radia? Who the hell is he and why should I give a crap what he thinks? Quote
Keepitsimple Posted October 21, 2014 Author Report Posted October 21, 2014 That's from the G&M, yet you post a link to Yahoo. It's also commentary from a blogger, which might as well be a forum post of someone's opinion. Also, Andy Radia? Who the hell is he and why should I give a crap what he thinks? Andy Radia is famous on Yahoo for being a Liberal supporter - so coming from him, it really is "OUCH". He used a quote from the G & M Editorial Board - perhaps you also don't give a crap about them.....but here's a link to their Editorial - the source of the quote. Ouch! again. Justin Trudeau’s opponents constantly try to brand him as unready for office, and the Liberal Leader keeps proving them wrong. Until lately, that is. Suddenly we’ve been hit with the temptation to say, Quiet, Justin. The adults are talking. Link: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/editorials/justin-trudeaus-lousy-week/article20993905/ Quote Back to Basics
hitops Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) This reminds me of Obama's audacity of hope. At least you can't get nobel prizes without doing anyt.....err wait. There is no doubt that Trudeau has a tremendous opportunity to lead the Liberals out of the wilderness. At this time, a Chia pet has a tremendous opportunity to lead the Liberals out of the wilderness. There is a major hate on for the CPC, and the Liberals will very likely be elected. If Justin's book had profiled his interest in becoming a US citizen or described his journey through a dozen paternity lawsuits, or simply included 300 blank pages with the middle of the book cut out and instructions on how it can be used to hide weed, it would matter not. Canada will elect, if not the Conservatives, the Liberals. That's how we roll. Because we have some serious CPC fatigue after a decade, ergo the Libs. Trying to make it something more than that is gratuitous, IMO. Edited October 21, 2014 by hitops Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 Sounds like a bunch of folks coming up with excuses for why JT will be elected, instead of accepting the fact that he is the better leader. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
August1991 Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 (edited) Sounds like a bunch of folks coming up with excuses for why JT will be elected, instead of accepting the fact that he is the better leader.I reckon that Justin Trudeau (as he has described himself as a retail politician) is trying to reach left. But Canadian federal politics are regional. IMHO, Canadian federal politics are votes on region - not ideology. ==== All things considered, ignoring left/right but considering the new seats in the House, Trudeau Jnr has broader regional support than Harper. Trudeau Jnr connects better with people in BC's lower mainland, urban Alberta, southern Ontario, urban Quebec and the Maritimes - even Nfld. IMV, Harper's only hope for re-election is that Trudeau Jnr and Mulcair split the Ontario vote. Edited October 25, 2014 by August1991 Quote
ironstone Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 years as a political operative??? Well he spent less than a year as an aide to a PC MP... there's that. Then he was "taken under the wing of Manning" (until they split... for the first time)... there's that. Then the National Citizens Coaltion got him elected as a Reform MP... there's that. Then Harper had a series of disagreements within the Reform party... and he left politics altogether to join the National Citizens Coaltion... there's that. Then there's the infamous "Alberta firewall" position he fronted... there's that. Then there's all those stink-tank speeches he gave during that period... there's that. Then some former Reform types had enough of Stockwell Day's leading the Alliance Party and moved to support the National Citizen Coaltion leader, Harper, in a run for the Alliance leadership... that he won, there's that. Then Ezrant stepped aside and gave up his own riding nomination to allow Harper to run for a seat in Parliament... there's that. Then we had Harper posture over Canada not going into Iraq... there's that. as for winning the Conservative party leadership on his "own merits"... considering he ran against Tony Clement and Belinda Stronach... . Canada came out of the recession in rather good shape,thanks in no small way to Harper....there's that.The feds are on the verge of having a budget surplus,there's that. A lot of you guys on the left seem to really have an intense hatred for this man,and that I cannot understand.I have little use for Trudeau or Mulcair I will admit,but I don't hate them either.I have no doubt they are decent men but I don't want either of them to lead this country. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
ironstone Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 Sounds like a bunch of folks coming up with excuses for why JT will be elected, instead of accepting the fact that he is the better leader. Nobody can deny that Justin Trudeau is the most popular celebrity in Canada right now but for me,that's part of the problem.He also sounds like a celebrity too. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
overthere Posted October 25, 2014 Report Posted October 25, 2014 Just curious, but how do you arrive at your conclusion that Justin Trudeau is the better leader'? Supporters of Harper or Mulcair could come up with examples of things both have done so far in their lives to support that ideas. But what specifically is it in his past or present that makes you state that as a fact? Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
WestCoastRunner Posted October 26, 2014 Report Posted October 26, 2014 Just curious, but how do you arrive at your conclusion that Justin Trudeau is the better leader'? Supporters of Harper or Mulcair could come up with examples of things both have done so far in their lives to support that ideas. But what specifically is it in his past or present that makes you state that as a fact? Justin is a leader for many reasons. And when he surrounds himself with the right people with the right skills/education etc, he will be quite a remarkable leader. He has taken a stand on women's reproductive rights, he has embraced many female candidates. Currently it sits at around a third but he is lookig to increase that percentage. NDP has around 41%. And what is quite interesting is that he tends to distance himself from his father and compares himself more like his grandfather Jimmy Sinclair, a liberal MP from Vancouver. Justin is going after the female vote and it's working for him. And it's not because of his hair. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
jacee Posted October 27, 2014 Report Posted October 27, 2014 Canada came out of the recession in rather good shape,thanks in no small way to Harper....there's that.The feds are on the verge of having a budget surplus,there's that.After blowing the one they inherited.. Quote
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