PIK Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 We need to whatever needs to be done and their going to be a lot of embarrassed lefties when this is over. The left loves the UN so where are you now, the UN has said how bad it is, and that it needs to be addressed. But hey if the jews are not doing the killing I guess the left does not care. I do not like this new Canada the left is trying to build, a country filled with cowards and pussies. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Smallc Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 Quebecers are 53% in favour of action. Quote
Peter F Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) In answer to Scribblet above: When the airstrikes fail to destroy ISIS, should we send ground troops into Iraq and Syria? Of course not. Iraq should be quite capable of defending itself against what is essentially a poorly equipped and supported mob. That Iraq seemingly can't indicates to me that the Iraqi government has a bigger problem than ISiS. The problem with Iraq - as many have pointed out - is that it is a construction of the Western Imperialist powers. Now that the strongman is gone Iraq is breaking up into its component bits - as everyone and their dog has known about since 1997. Kurdistan, Southern Iraq, and the Sunni area. This is a civil war . Stay out of it militarily. Provide Humanitarian support whenever and where-ever possible. Edited October 6, 2014 by Peter F Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
waldo Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 Is it not true? well done... sliming certainly fits you and the Ez! There's a record of Trudeau Senior in the Canadian Army... there's also a way for you to, presumably, slime your way forward within that. Before you start, what might that directly have to do with JT's response to the Harper Conservative and your lust for war? Quote
Smallc Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 Putting RCAF personnel in danger to satisfy a political agenda is despicable. If there is a danger to Canada, then we should actually put some effort into it, rather than a pittance. But it's better to send a token force so Harper can say he went to war rather than to try and justify anything larger. What Canada is sending is not a token force, especially considering we already have 4 jets assigned to the Baltic air patrol. Quote
waldo Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 We need to whatever needs to be done and their going to be a lot of embarrassed lefties when this is over. The left loves the UN so where are you now, the UN has said how bad it is, and that it needs to be addressed. But hey if the jews are not doing the killing I guess the left does not care. I do not like this new Canada the left is trying to build, a country filled with cowards and pussies. if you're going to put so much emphasis on the UN... why hasn't the U.S. approached the UN seeking resolution/sanction covering for its bombing in Syria? Why is the U.S. Obama administration relying on it's trumped up and self-serving re-definition of the word "imminent" to get around U.S. Congressional oversight? And, of course, no post from a partisan zeolot would be complete without a token nod/reference to... "the Jews"! Well done, PIK, well done! Quote
The_Squid Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 What Canada is sending is not a token force, especially considering we already have 4 jets assigned to the Baltic air patrol. If ISIS is still around after the airstrikes should Canada send ground troops? Quote
Wilber Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 Putting RCAF personnel in danger to satisfy a political agenda is despicable. If there is a danger to Canada, then we should actually put some effort into it, rather than a pittance. But it's better to send a token force so Harper can say he went to war rather than to try and justify anything larger. I think the desire is to share the load with other countries. No matter how many aircraft are sent, there are only so many targets that can be identified and attacked. Unless you just want to bomb everything in sight. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
PIK Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 if you're going to put so much emphasis on the UN... why hasn't the U.S. approached the UN seeking resolution/sanction covering for its bombing in Syria? Why is the U.S. Obama administration relying on it's trumped up and self-serving re-definition of the word "imminent" to get around U.S. Congressional oversight? And, of course, no post from a partisan zeolot would be complete without a token nod/reference to... "the Jews"! Well done, PIK, well done!Who knows, nobody can seem to figure out Obama.But where is the old liberal party that stood up to this kind of barbarism? Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
The_Squid Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 So what's the exit plan if airstrikes don't destroy ISIS? Has Harper told Canadians this? I don't think I'm a "pussy" just because I want to be more informed before I cheer-lead the bombing campaign. Or would Canada then ramp up it's military involvement? Ground troops? More jets? Quote
waldo Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 But where is the old liberal party that stood up to this kind of barbarism? Chretien has retired. Quote
The_Squid Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 Who knows, nobody can seem to figure out Obama.But where is the old liberal party that stood up to this kind of barbarism? Canada has a long history of not getting involved in unnecessary wars. Your reasons for intervening in a crisis seem to be whenever Harper says it's a good idea. The death toll in the recent Syrian conflict was over 100,000. Why didn't Harper get involved there? What is the criteria for involvement? Are there any criteria, or is it a political judgment more than an actual evaluation of the events? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 well done... sliming certainly fits you and the Ez! There's a record of Trudeau Senior in the Canadian Army... there's also a way for you to, presumably, slime your way forward within that. Before you start, what might that directly have to do with JT's response to the Harper Conservative and your lust for war? Was there? Was that before or after he adorned his Pickelhaube, well other Canadians of his age were fighting the Germans? Quote
Keepitsimple Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 you and Simple really are trying to milk that Rae article for all you can, hey! Not sure how you presume to tie that back to the hindsight learnings of the failed and illegal U.S. invasion of Iraq??? Harper chose the divisive route... he chose not to include Mulcair/JT in briefings... he chose not to bring them into Privy Council purview. Why so? it's interesting the right-wing flavoured review of that Rae article doesn't include the complete article... let me finish it for you: the stated Liberal position doesn't exclude military involvement... like strategic airlift, training, or medical support... the distinction being combat. . You're peeing into the wind Waldo - but if it gives you a feeling of relief, good on ya! Quote Back to Basics
dre Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 Who knows, nobody can seem to figure out Obama.But where is the old liberal party that stood up to this kind of barbarism? Theres no point in participating the Iraq war unless we think theres a plan that can work. And theres no indication that is the case. What we are seeing from the chicken hawks right now is a spaztic knee jerk reaction to some beheading videos, and absolutely no effort to understand the situation and see it for what it is or keep things in context. This is the same IRaq war that started in 2003... Same insurgency... same folks plus a few more recruits. Theres a reason we stayed out of that war, and it was a rare victory for common sense in this country. Now more than a decade later we have been tricked into getting involved. Im sorry if the beheadings hurt your feelings but thats not a reason to do stupid things. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
The_Squid Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 Derek 2.0 (same as the old one)? PIK? Simple? Smallc? Bonam? Should Canada send ground troops if the air campaign doesn't eliminate ISIS? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 We need to whatever needs to be done and their going to be a lot of embarrassed lefties when this is over. The left loves the UN so where are you now, the UN has said how bad it is, and that it needs to be addressed. But hey if the jews are not doing the killing I guess the left does not care. I do not like this new Canada the left is trying to build, a country filled with cowards and pussies. Well we all can see what the right's approach to things leave behind. That's the shit we are having to try cleaning up now. Quote
waldo Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 Was there? Was that before or after he adorned his Pickelhaube, well other Canadians of his age were fighting the Germans? get it all out... do you have a pic of Trudeau senior wearing that helmet while riding his motorcycle? While you're doing that slimeball act, care to answer the direct question put to you about what relevance/tie you're making to the Liberal position statement on refusing to support Harper's war? Are you actually going to play dumb about Trudeau senior being in the Canadian Army? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 6, 2014 Author Report Posted October 6, 2014 ....Or would Canada then ramp up it's military involvement? Ground troops? More jets? Yes...more "jets"....errr...strike fighters. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 You're peeing into the wind Waldo - but if it gives you a feeling of relief, good on ya! sorry to burst the bubble on your attempts to milk those (selective on your part) Rae comments... by the by, are you downwind? Quote
Keepitsimple Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 get it all out... do you have a pic of Trudeau senior wearing that helmet while riding his motorcycle? While you're doing that slimeball act, care to answer the direct question put to you about what relevance/tie you're making to the Liberal position statement on refusing to support Harper's war? Are you actually going to play dumb about Trudeau senior being in the Canadian Army? Can't find it on the net right now - but I know at least one exists and I'm sure one of the posters will dig it up....I've seen it a couple of times.Do you deny it exists? And what would Your Puffery do when the picture is presented? Should be expect a mea culpa? Somehow I doubt it. Quote Back to Basics
PIK Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 Derek 2.0 (same as the old one)? PIK? Simple? Smallc? Bonam? Should Canada send ground troops if the air campaign doesn't eliminate ISIS? Will have to decide when that times comes. Does not matter what we do, it has to be done and I bet their is a lot of liberals out there that are embarrassed by the young trudeau. But hopefully it will be arab ground troops. Trudeau has nothing to offer, but excuses. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Solastalgia Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 I am so effing sick of all of this ISIS talk. When will we finally be out of this quagmire that we created in the first place? If we should do anything we should put boots on the ground to help the Kurds. Airstrikes will not do anything beyond piss people off in that region, give ISIL a sense of legitimacy and rally people to join. In my opinion, we should just get the hell out and let everything settle themselves. The more intervention, the worse things will get. Quote Yippie! Aldo Leopold! A thing is right when it tends to preserve the integrity, stability, and beauty of the biotic community. It is wrong when it tends otherwise.- A Sand County Almanac
waldo Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 Can't find it on the net right now - but I know at least one exists and I'm sure one of the posters will dig it up....I've seen it a couple of times.Do you deny it exists? And what would Your Puffery do when the picture is presented? Should be expect a mea culpa? Somehow I doubt it. deny it exists? I could care less... you appear to miss the/my point. Since you've joined the collective slime and 2.0 refuses to answer, what intent/tie/reference do you presume to make in regards the Liberal/JT statement on refusing to support Harper's combat mission? Quote
The_Squid Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 Can't find it on the net right now - but I know at least one exists and I'm sure one of the posters will dig it up....I've seen it a couple of times.Do you deny it exists? And what would Your Puffery do when the picture is presented? Should be expect a mea culpa? Somehow I doubt it. You do know that Pierre Trudeau is dead, right? That he has no say in Canadian affairs any longer? Could you could find a more irrelevant issue other than what a dead PM once wore on his head while riding a motorcycle 50+ years ago? Quote
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