NDP and Liberal Coalition

[waldo]

this Harper PMO has taken that to a whole greater, never before seen, degree of control.

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Complete baloney. Your beloved Chretien -just one example- had complete control of the legislative agenda and his own caucus. And he certainly exercised that control on both.

It really has little to do with the brand of the ruling party, it's the nature of our system.

I know it would shorten your day considerably, but instead of rants against Harper your rage might be better directed against the structure of government we have had for nearly 150 years. I'm just thinking of your health.

it's a simple innocuous comment I made... I've quoted it above. Is your argument so weak that you have to lower yourself to calling another member's most benign post a "rant/rage" against Harper?

in any case: Harper Conservative PMO message control... let me know if you'd like more, hey!

[PIK]

Everybody controls their message or you will not last long.

[cybercoma]

Everybody controls their message or you will not last long.

The PMO doesn't control the MPs. That's not how our political system works.

[PIK]

The PMO doesn't control the MPs. That's not how our political system works.

Speak out of line and see what happens.

[cybercoma]

Speak out of line and see what happens.

You continue sitting as an MP. That's what happens.

[PIK]

You continue sitting as an MP. That's what happens.

But you disappear and not heard from again.Like my own MP.

[cybercoma]

But you disappear and not heard from again.Like my own MP.

How do they disappear? They can't be removed from office. They're still your MP.

[PIK]

How do they disappear? They can't be removed from office. They're still your MP.

Never mind.

[jbg]

Speak out of line and see what happens.

Ask Carolyn Parrish what happens. Hint, she wasn't turfed from any caucus by Harper.

[jbg]

How do they disappear? They can't be removed from office. They're still your MP.

Never mind.

He is ducking the obvious. Read above about Carolyn Parrish.

[Topaz]

Speaking of disappearing, my MP is a Tory and said that they votes the way Harper does because they don't want to be tossed out. I don't know what they are worried about, they already have the golden pension in their pocket.

[jbg]

Speaking of disappearing, my MP is a Tory and said that they votes the way Harper does because they don't want to be tossed out. I don't know what they are worried about, they already have the golden pension in their pocket.

Maybe he wants his nomination papers signed for the October 2015 election?

[overthere]

You continue sitting as an MP. That's what happens.

He is ducking the obvious. Read above about Carolyn Parrish.

Bev Desjarlais

[cybercoma]

Bev Desjarlais

What about her? She continued to sit as an MP until she lost the following election, then went running to Stephen Harper for a bureaucrat position. She lost the vote at the riding association level. Her decision to leave the party was on her and her alone.

[webc5]

Quebecers will vote for TJ the NDP will have no chance at forming the government.

[dre]

I dont think there will be a merger before this election... The liberals believe they can win by themselves. But IF there is a Conservative minority government after 2015 then I think you will see an NDP/Liberal coalition government.

And if the conservatives win a majority in 2015... Then I think we will probably see a real merger. Sure theres some differences but if the two parties continue to lose elections and watch the conservatives govern then even the things they agree on wont get done.

[jbg]

Quebecers will vote for TJ the NDP will have no chance at forming the government.

You don't think that their memory of the FLQ crisis and the Charter will prevent that?

[peoples advocate]

I for one would like to see Harper and his bunch of lying M.P's take a hike but in order to do that we have to convince people to vote , inform them give them facts and when close to election time start reminding everyone of all the lies they have been told because I know people have short memories and need to have a refresher.

I find it amazing that if a friend told you a bold face lie you would be hurt but may forgive after a second bold face lie you would be done with them but not the people of this great country we have listened to lie after lie after lie yet we are scared of what else is out there.

I see it as the bully that hits his wife and later brings her flowers and apologizes , She would love to get out of the relationship but because of all the stories she has heard she is terrified of what else is out there. Lets help people open the door and start fresh.

[ProudCanadianConservative]

I honestly believe if the Liberals and NDP merge they wouldn't have the success that some believe they will have. Why?

For one Canada has more centrists than centre-left voters, the reason why the Conservatives won a majority in 2011 was because centrists in the Liberal party voted Conservative. Liberals won so many elections in the 1920's-1990's because they appeared to be the centrist alternative to PC and NDP, or PC and CCF. Liberals lost in 2008 and 2011 because they moved left, the country hasn't moved right, as a conservative I would know if the country moves right.

So what I predict will happen if the two merge, well it depends on the scenario. If the NDP and Liberals merge during a Conservative minority to form a coalition government, what will result is a mass departure of Liberal centrists from the coalition merger (Liberal Democrat Party, i'd call it) to the Conservative party. And what you'd see is a Conservative party climb to an average of 45-50% in polls while the Liberal Democrats would not have a combined 55-60%, but likely 40-45%. And for parties that complain about Canada becoming to much like American politics, it will effectively end the three major party system. My guess Conservatives 47%, Liberal Democrats 43%, Green 5%.

Now if it's a Conservative majority when they merge, it would probably fair better for the new party, however if the Liberals are the official opposition, a portion of hardcore progressives will believe it's the NDP compromising. The Liberal Democrat party would do better because they'd probably retain a significant portion of centrists, but in this merger many of the progressives will flock to the Green party. I'd say it become Liberal Democrats 50%, Conservatives 35%, Green 10%.

Lastly if it's a Liberal minority I see a combination of both of the first two scenarios.

Edited November 14, 2014 by ProudCanadianConservative

[socialist]

This discussion is useless. I predicted a Liberal majority in 2015 a long time and I'm sticking to it. There won't be a need to merge. JT will be the world's next great progressive leader. Many NDPers will flock to JT. Just watch and see.

[On Guard for Thee]

This discussion is useless. I predicted a Liberal majority in 2015 a long time and I'm sticking to it. There won't be a need to merge. JT will be the world's next great progressive leader. Many NDPers will flock to JT. Just watch and see.

Your predictions took a nosedive just recently, remember?

[socialist]

Your predictions took a nosedive just recently, remember?

Not on Canadian politics.

[On Guard for Thee]

Not on Canadian politics.

I didn't know you'd made one. I was referring to the recent midterms in the US and how far off you were there.

[jbg]

So what I predict will happen if the two merge, well it depends on the scenario. If the NDP and Liberals merge during a Conservative minority to form a coalition government, what will result is a mass departure of Liberal centrists from the coalition merger (Liberal Democrat Party, i'd call it) to the Conservative party. And what you'd see is a Conservative party climb to an average of 45-50% in polls while the Liberal Democrats would not have a combined 55-60%, but likely 40-45%. And for parties that complain about Canada becoming to much like American politics, it will effectively end the three major party system. My guess Conservatives 47%, Liberal Democrats 43%, Green 5%.

Now if it's a Conservative majority when they merge, it would probably fair better for the new party, however if the Liberals are the official opposition, a portion of hardcore progressives will believe it's the NDP compromising. The Liberal Democrat party would do better because they'd probably retain a significant portion of centrists, but in this merger many of the progressives will flock to the Green party. I'd say it become Liberal Democrats 50%, Conservatives 35%, Green 10%.

Lastly if it's a Liberal minority I see a combination of both of the first two scenarios.

This discussion is useless. I predicted a Liberal majority in 2015 a long time and I'm sticking to it. There won't be a need to merge. JT will be the world's next great progressive leader. Many NDPers will flock to JT. Just watch and see.

Good analysis by ProudCanadianConservative. I think the most likely scenario is a Liberal minority in the next election. Edited November 15, 2014 by jbg

[jacee]

This discussion is useless. I predicted a Liberal majority in 2015 a long time and I'm sticking to it. There won't be a need to merge. JT will be the world's next great progressive leader. Many NDPers will flock to JT. Just watch and see.

I doubt that, and I doubt a majority either the frst time out of the gate.

However the Liberal + NDP numbers in the House may make progress possible on some important progressive issues.

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