Ferguson unrest

[cybercoma]

Indeed, pretty much the moment someone mentions the words "white privilege", I know it's safe to ignore whatever argument they are about to make

Oh the irony.

[On Guard for Thee]

Oh the irony.

Good point. I think if you look up "irony" in the Merriam Webster, you should/might see that comment as a quintessential example.

[sharkman]

Relevance? Don't play the player, play the ball ring a bell? But to answer, I live in the States dude, as you can see clearly under my username, and my parent's home isn't even in the same country What next, you're gonna tell us about how only your experience matters since you've allegedly traveled to like 100 different countries in your secret life as a diplomat, secret agent, and military adviser?

I know, it's amazing how many movers and shaker's this guy's rubbed shoulders with too.

[On Guard for Thee]

I know, it's amazing how many movers and shaker's this guy's rubbed shoulders with too.

Don't be jealous. If you get over the narrow mindedness, you too can grow.

[Shady]

I know, it's amazing how many movers and shaker's this guy's rubbed shoulders with too.

It's one of the benefits of the internet!

[Shady]

It is illegal. It has been since 2010. They did so because it caused too many deaths. However it's of course not just illegal for cops. It's just illegal.

Nope. A policy change doesn't make it illegal, no matter how many times you want to perpetrate that lie.

[Michael Hardner]

That racism and privilege are an ingrained part of our culture. You seem to be quibbling over terminology for some reason.

No, you're saying that there's some specific leftist theory that race and privilege are part of our culture. If you're not just making lazy accusations about leftists, and trying to disparage a set of observations about race in North America by tying it to partisans, then name that theory.

Otherwise, you're just trying to marginalize a set of perspective and views that quite a lot of people hold.

[Michael Hardner]

If it doesn't, then the police agencies that attack people for no reason should receive reprimands ... so as to rectify the situation. But to frame the issue as one of white privilege makes no sense whatsoever, it is just a manifestation of the race-obsession that some people seem to have.

What you said doesn't address the issue of privilege. If one race is treated better, then in fact they are living under a privilege. You waved your hand in the last sentence, but the statistics show that races are treated differently in the US and Canada. It's real.

[Bonam]

It's not a privilege to be treated the way you are supposed to be treated. It's an under-privilege to not be.

[TimG]

statistics show that races are treated differently in the US and Canada. It's real.

Statistics lie. Or at least they are often interpreted to mean things they do not mean.

[Shady]

If it's white privilege, than it's also Asian privilege, and East Indian privilege etc.

[Shady]

What you said doesn't address the issue of privilege. If one race is treated better, then in fact they are living under a privilege. You waved your hand in the last sentence, but the statistics show that races are treated differently in the US and Canada. It's real.

Statistics show that one particular age and racial group commits a disproportional amount of crime.

[Michael Hardner]

Statistics show that one particular age and racial group commits a disproportional amount of crime.

Agreed.

[Derek 2.0]

Statistics show that one particular age and racial group commits a disproportional amount of crime.

Sure they do, and like First Nations here, statistics also show this particular racial group is beset with social failings (poverty, poor education, broken homes etc) that directly contribute to said disproportional amounts of crimes.......

[Shady]

Sure they do, and like First Nations here, statistics also show this particular racial group is beset with social failings (poverty, poor education, broken homes etc) that directly contribute to said disproportional amounts of crimes.......

For sure. So what are the police suppose to do about that?

[Derek 2.0]

For sure. So what are the police suppose to do about that?

Very little, the police after all are mandated to enforce the law, not to be social workers.......

As has already been said though, where is the outage and protests over the daily violence in the suburbs of Chicago, Detroit, Oakland and Los Angeles etc? These recent incidents are merely the newest cause célèbre for the professional protesters and media, and will fade in coverage once the next big thing comes along.......and Black youth will continue to be killed by other blacks, likewise they will continue to be arrested (and shot at times) by (white) police........

[Argus]

You've never once considered context. It's laughably hypocritical when you go on to demonstrate that in the very same post.

You haven't read anything that's been posted about this and it's painfully obvious when you continue to trot out this garbage without any reference to the myriad findings that contextualize this.

But, you would have to actually consider context as you say you do.

The accusation was that blacks are more likely to go to jail over drugs and I contextualized that quite well. Now I didn't fall all over myself apologizing and making excuses for why Black crime and Black violence is so high the way you would have - assuming you ever had the honesty or integrity to mention high crime rates. But that doesn't in any way take away the facts of the statistics. Calling it 'garbage' is just an indication of how frightened you are of discussing the reality of life.

[Argus]

And also this.

Your post is painfully lacking any sort of reflexivity. You still think this is about personal prejudice or bigotry when it has been pointed out so many times already that this is a strawman.

No, this IS about personal prejudice and bigotry, because this IS about two specific incidents involving two specific police officers. I realize you want to blow this up into evidence of systemic oppression of minorities, but the problem with you using these incidents for that purpose is they're not actually very good examples if there's no evidence racism is involved. If these specific incidents don't actually reflect bigotry or racism than your attempt to use them to support your ideological beliefs kind of falls apart.

[Argus]

And that's supposed to explain why a white cop used an illegal choke hold on an unarmed black man?

Let's deal with this choke hold thing for a moment. First, I'm willing to accept that this was not an official choke hold. Second, regardless of that his arm was around the man's neck, and it seemed clear that it was impeding his breathing. Whether that was intentional or not.

Second, unless someone can suggest the actions of the police were influenced by the race of the suspect I don't see why race is even involved here.

[Argus]

What you said doesn't address the issue of privilege. If one race is treated better, then in fact they are living under a privilege. You waved your hand in the last sentence, but the statistics show that races are treated differently in the US and Canada. It's real.

No, they actually show no such thing. The statistics are 'interpreted' by some people to show such things.

[GostHacked]

/facepalm

Yes, but you're not a police officer trying to subdue somebody resisting arrest. More conflating and obtuseness.

Badges don't grant extra rights.

[Smallc]

No, you're saying that there's some specific leftist theory that race and privilege are part of our culture. If you're not just making lazy accusations about leftists, and trying to disparage a set of observations about race in North America by tying it to partisans, then name that theory.

Otherwise, you're just trying to marginalize a set of perspective and views that quite a lot of people hold.

There is a theory and its called systemic racism. Many of don't accept that idea.

[cybercoma]

As has already been said though, where is the outage and protests over the daily violence in the suburbs of Chicago, Detroit, Oakland and Los Angeles etc?

It's there if you care to see it. It's not black people's job to bring it to your attention. There have been countless news articles about what they're doing in their communities, if one is so inclined to look into it.

[cybercoma]

There is a theory and its called systemic racism. Many of don't accept that idea.

Many people don't accept the theory of evolution either.

[Smallc]

Oh yes that's really the same.