Ferguson unrest

[sharkman]

No it didn't. As with almost all of what you've said, it's factually incorrect. Hopefully at some point you'll get some kind of closure, and learn to accept the grand jury decision, as well as the mountain of evidence that supported it.

That's simply not going to happen. The denial/obsession that's infecting the liberal mindset will not allow evidence, testimony or any facts change their opinions. I say tough. Let the Canadian armchair quarterbacks angrily type out meaningless protests for the next year. It won't change a thing in Ferguson.

[On Guard for Thee]

It's amazing how the usual armchair qb's stick their heads in the sand.

http://www.newseveryday.com/articles/2810/20141129/disturbing-mistake-helped-darren-wilson-avoid-indictment.htm

[Shady]

It's amazing how the usual armchair qb's stick their heads in the sand.

http://www.newseveryday.com/articles/2810/20141129/disturbing-mistake-helped-darren-wilson-avoid-indictment.htm

That has no bearing on the Wilson case. Brown wasn't fleeing, and Wilson was defending himself. It's irrelevant.

[Big Guy]

Another black man killed by white police officers. More demonstrations and criticism of police tactics. It is reported that this man died because of a "chokehold" applied on him by the police.

So if an unarmed black individual, 400 lbs, appears to be breaking the law and the police cannot shoot him, cannot taser him, cannot pepper spray him and he refuses to be arrested then what do the white police officers do?

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-York/staten-island-man-dies-puts-choke-hold-article-1.1871486

[Shady]

Another black man killed by white police officers. More demonstrations and criticism of police tactics. It is reported that this man died because of a "chokehold" applied on him by the police.

So if an unarmed black individual, 400 lbs, appears to be breaking the law and the police cannot shoot him, cannot taser him, cannot pepper spray him and he refuses to be arrested then what do the white police officers do?

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-York/staten-island-man-dies-puts-choke-hold-article-1.1871486

That's a very good question. I didn't know that being arrested was debatable. But apparently now, you're able to tell the police to go away and stop bothering you, and basically, they need to follow your order. It's bordering on absurdity.

[GostHacked]

That's a very good question. I didn't know that being arrested was debatable. But apparently now, you're able to tell the police to go away and stop bothering you, and basically, they need to follow your order. It's bordering on absurdity.

'What am I being detained for?'

'Am I being arrested?'

'What is the charge?'

If they cannot give you a straight answer, you don't have to comply.

Even when you DO comply you run the risk of getting shot and risk being dead. As an example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtx1tYc7PxI

[bush_cheney2004]

That's a very good question. I didn't know that being arrested was debatable. But apparently now, you're able to tell the police to go away and stop bothering you, and basically, they need to follow your order. It's bordering on absurdity.

There is no shortage of clever people who like to test police officers and insist on their rights as citizens who pay the cop's salaries....as if the cops have never heard this before. If you choose to be uncooperative and non-compliant with lawful police direction(s), they will escalate with tactics and procedures to help you become more cooperative.

[Shady]

'What am I being detained for?'

'Am I being arrested?'

'What is the charge?'

If they cannot give you a straight answer, you don't have to comply.

Even when you DO comply you run the risk of getting shot and risk being dead. As an example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtx1tYc7PxI

I agree, the charge or reason should be given and/or explained, which in this case it was. If one feels they're wrongfully arrested, one has the option to pursue that.

[Argus]

A petition in excess of 100k signatures requires a response from the White House in this type of case.

You mean like the petition to boot out Justin Bieber? Yeah, those petitions get a response, a form letter response. Nobody actually actions anything because of them.

[On Guard for Thee]

That has no bearing on the Wilson case. Brown wasn't fleeing, and Wilson was defending himself. It's irrelevant.

When you instruct a jury to conduct itself based on unconstitutional law, you're damn right it's relevant.

[On Guard for Thee]

You mean like the petition to boot out Justin Bieber? Yeah, those petitions get a response, a form letter response. Nobody actually actions anything because of them.

The White House is required by law to respond.

[Bryan]

Another black man killed by white police officers. More demonstrations and criticism of police tactics. It is reported that this man died because of a "chokehold" applied on him by the police.

So if an unarmed black individual, 400 lbs, appears to be breaking the law and the police cannot shoot him, cannot taser him, cannot pepper spray him and he refuses to be arrested then what do the white police officers do?

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-York/staten-island-man-dies-puts-choke-hold-article-1.1871486

The reporting surrounding that incident was ridiculous, and so full of inaccuracies. The video does not support the notion that he was choked by the officers at all. If he can say "I can't breathe", then by definition he can. Besides that, if the officer who had his arm around Mr. Garner's neck actually was applying a choke, then Garner would have been unconscious (and fully compliant) within seconds.

I train these types of restraints every day -- if the choke is being applied tightly enough that the person being "choked" is even remotely concerned about their safety, they will already be sleeping inside of a second.

[On Guard for Thee]

The reporting surrounding that incident was ridiculous, and so full of inaccuracies. The video does not support the notion that he was choked by the officers at all. If he can say "I can't breathe", then by definition he can. Besides that, if the officer who had his arm around Mr. Garner's neck actually was applying a choke, then Garner would have been unconscious (and fully compliant) within seconds.

I train these types of restraints every day -- if the choke is being applied tightly enough that the person being "choked" is even remotely concerned about their safety, they will already be sleeping inside of a second.

Your attempt to make excuses for what certainly does appear to be a choke hold seems to ignore the fact the man is dead.

[Bryan]

Your attempt to make excuses for what certainly does appear to be a choke hold seems to ignore the fact the man is dead.

It appears to be a choke hold only to people who have no idea what a choke hold is. It really is unfortunate that Garner was so unhealthy that he had a heart attack. It's a terrible thing for his family that he's dead. The police did not choke him though.

[guyser]

The police did not choke him though.

Say hello to the Medical Examiner....

The medical examiner ruled Garner's death a homicide and found that a chokehold contributed to it. A forensic pathologist hired by Garner's family agreed with those findings, saying there was hemorrhaging on Garner's neck indicative of neck compressions

[Bryan]

Say hello to the Medical Examiner....

The pathologist hired by the family has no idea what he's talking about.

The autopsy says so:

http://nypost.com/2014/07/19/man-in-chokehold-death-had-no-throat-damage-autopsy/'>

Man in chokehold death had no throat damage: autopsy

So did the grand jury:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/03/eric-garner-grand-jury-declines-indict-nypd-chokehold-death

And so do the world's foremost experts on chokeholds: (This one is a long watch, but it's important if you want to be informed as to what a chokehold is and is not, instead of making judgements based on emotions)

Edited December 4, 2014 by Bryan

[On Guard for Thee]

Say hello to the Medical Examiner....

Exactly. It seems those who want to make excuses for the police tend to try and take what were deemed contributing factors, such as his weight and asthma, and slide them into the actual cause column. The neck compressions from the outlawed chokehold get dumped off the list altogether.

[Bryan]

Exactly. It seems those who want to make excuses for the police tend to try and take what were deemed contributing factors, such as his weight and asthma, and slide them into the actual cause column. The neck compressions from the outlawed chokehold get dumped off the list altogether.

"Neck compressions".

Your ignorance is showing the more you protest. A chokehold will leave the person being choked completely unconscious long before there is any actual damage. Garner did not go unconscious, and was still yelling "I can't breathe" long after he had been released. If you can say that you can't breathe, by definition that means that you can.

[On Guard for Thee]

"Neck compressions".

Your ignorance is showing the more you protest. A chokehold will leave the person being choked completely unconscious long before there is any actual damage. Garner did not go unconscious, and was still yelling "I can't breathe" long after he had been released. If you can say that you can't breathe, by definition that means that you can.

As does yours. He did go unconscious at the scene. I think I may tend to trust the coroners report more than your evaluation.

[Shady]

Exactly. It seems those who want to make excuses for the police tend to try and take what were deemed contributing factors, such as his weight and asthma, and slide them into the actual cause column. The neck compressions from the outlawed chokehold get dumped off the list altogether.

I agree that Mr. Garner really didn't deserve to be killed as he unfortunately was. But it does put the police in a difficult position when somebody refuses arrest for breaking the law. It's not a debate. We can't chose not to comply. If I'm speeding and I see the police sirens, can I just keep driving? Can I wave and say leave me alone like Mr. Garner did? What would happen to me if I did so? I think we all know the answer.

[On Guard for Thee]

I agree that Mr. Garner really didn't deserve to be killed as he unfortunately was. But it does put the police in a difficult position when somebody refuses arrest for breaking the law. It's not a debate. We can't chose not to comply. If I'm speeding and I see the police sirens, can I just keep driving? Can I wave and say leave me alone like Mr. Garner did? What would happen to me if I did so? I think we all know the answer.

The answer could well be if you're black and in the US you may get killed.

Certainly Garner could have made a better choice and put his hands out to be cuffed, after all he had allegedly committed the heinous crime of selling single cigs, , but keep in mind the chokehold the cop applied is also illegal in NY.

[Bryan]

As does yours. He did go unconscious at the scene. I think I may tend to trust the coroners report more than your evaluation.

You are speaking from a position of ignorance. You simply have no idea what you are talking about, and are grasping at anything to satisfy your confirmation bias. The reason anyone, including the coroner, would even imply that chokehold killed Eric Garner is strictly and specifically because they do not know what they are talking about with respect to chokeholds.

[Smallc]

The answer could well be if you're black and in the US you may get killed.

White people get killed too, you know.

[bush_cheney2004]

It is astonishing.....only "blacks" are ever killed by the police in the U.S. /sarcasm

[On Guard for Thee]

You are speaking from a position of ignorance. You simply have no idea what you are talking about, and are grasping at anything to satisfy your confirmation bias. The reason anyone, including the coroner, would even imply that chokehold killed Eric Garner is strictly and specifically because they do not know what they are talking about with respect to chokeholds.

You know more than the coroner do you? And everybody else it seems. So dream on.