Argus Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 Yeah. Nobody cares. Another thug got what was coming to him. [/narrative] The first absolutely true thing you've said so far. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 A great way to start a dialogue is to tell someone they're completely unreasonable and engaging in hyperbole, saying that their arguments are "sanctimonious nonsense." What if their arguments actually ARE sanctimonious nonsense? Hold on a second while I try to have a discussion with that kind of open mindedness. You regard yourself as open minded on this issue, do you? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Big Guy Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 Am watching the press conference by Sharpton and the lawyers for Brown. They are now blaming the prosecutor for discrediting Brown and not presenting the proper evidence. These guys don't seem to want the stop to this violence but seem to take the opportunity to get in front of the camera. I am old enough to remember all those events over the last 50 years when Sharpton arrived on a scene to pour some gas on the flames. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Hal 9000 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 How far did Wilson move from the car? Are you saying the officer was in such fear for his life that he got out of his car and followed the guy he was terrified would kill him with a single punch? Yes, I think we know that Wilson made chase as any police officer would, it seems proven that at some time Brown (already bleeding from a gun shot wound sustained inside the police cruiser), turned and ran toward Wilson. Wilson took 5 shots - paused - and when Brown kept coming resumed firing shots until Brown dropped to the ground some 8-10 feet away from Wilson. What problem do you have with that? If the last 2 shots missed, Officer Wilson might also be dead. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Argus Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 OK: 135 feet. Nope. Try again. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 How far did Wilson move from the car? Are you saying the officer was in such fear for his life that he got out of his car and followed the guy he was terrified would kill him with a single punch? Wilson never testified he was afraid of being killed with a punch. He was afraid of being knocked out, and then having his gun taken, and then maybe being killed. Entirely reasonable given Brown's size and violence. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 On average, police officers in the U.S. shoot and kill one person every day. What's so special about this case / perp ? The facts say nothing special at all. Mess with an armed cop or citizen....get shot. Hell, it even happens in Vancouver for a mentally ill guy with a 2x4. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Black Dog Posted November 25, 2014 Author Report Posted November 25, 2014 If you ignore Brown's blood on the gun, and on the cop's uniform, and in the car, the bruising on the cop, the bullet fired into the roof of the car, yeah, we can say we don't have any physical evidence, I suppose. But that would be dumb. That physical evidence doesn't tell us what Brown's intentions were in grabbing the gun only that the gun was grabbed and fired. If someone pulled a gun on me, my first instinct would be to grab for it as well. Sheer ignorance. Brown was not shot while 135 feet away from the cop. He was shot while 135 feet away from the CAR.Why don't you actually red the reports before posting worthless nonsense? According to testimony Brown ran from the car, and the cop chased him, firing, and then Brown turned and headed back towards the cop. Various eyewitnesses put the gunfire as occurring anywhere from 4 feet to 50 feet distance between the two men. So how far did they get from the car? Do you know? Quote
Black Dog Posted November 25, 2014 Author Report Posted November 25, 2014 Wilson never testified he was afraid of being killed with a punch. He was afraid of being knocked out, and then having his gun taken, and then maybe being killed. Entirely reasonable given Brown's size and violence. From your own link: "I felt that another of those punches in my face could knock me out or worse ... I've already taken two to the face and I didn't think I would, the third one could be fatal if he hit me right," Wilson said. Nevermind the two punches he said he took inflicted less damage than when my cat steps on my face in the morning to wake me up for feeding time. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 That physical evidence doesn't tell us what Brown's intentions were in grabbing the gun only that the gun was grabbed and fired. If someone pulled a gun on me, my first instinct would be to grab for it as well. So how far did they get from the car? Do you know? Really, you wouldn't just back off? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
cybercoma Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 I'm sorry, you had arguments? All I've seen from you so far is determined efforts to portray Brown as an innocent child, victim of an oppressive society which was too cruel to accept such a gentle, and harmless little boy's presence among its members. I never once called him harmless. Try again. Quote
sharkman Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) Who cares what some people may say, the facts are what matters. There is great disagreement on how far Brown was away when he got shot fatally. You know, the cop was chasing him at that point, right? Edited November 25, 2014 by sharkman Quote
dre Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 I dont think we will ever know what happened.... This is why ALL police should wear cameras at ALL times... Not just to protect suspects but to protect themselves as well. But in any case, last night made for some great entertainment and compelling TV! Sucks to be an insurance company down there though Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
cybercoma Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 Apparently you think the term 'murder' is a legal concept which describes any killing of a non-white person by a White person for any reason whatsoever. Apparently you really like constructing strawman arguments when you have nothing to offer. Quote
Black Dog Posted November 25, 2014 Author Report Posted November 25, 2014 Really, you wouldn't just back off? So they could get a clear shot? Quote
Argus Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 But in any case, last night made for some great entertainment and compelling TV! Sucks to be an insurance company down there though Most of those businesses were locally owned and couldn't get insurance for such things. A lot of them are out of business permanently. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 What if their arguments actually ARE sanctimonious nonsense? You regard yourself as open minded on this issue, do you? More open minded than someone like you that has consistently demonstrated racial and ethnic bias over the years. Yeah. Quote
Argus Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) More open minded than someone like you that has consistently demonstrated racial and ethnic bias over the years. Yeah. Again, you completely misunderstand me. I have no racial or ethnic bias. I have high standards of behaviour, however, and I hold everyone to the same ones. I refuse to be like you and make endless excuses for their behaviour just because they're non-white or non-Christian, or female or gay. As I said before, If Michael Brown was white you wouldn't give a damn about what happened that day. Edited November 25, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Black Dog Posted November 25, 2014 Author Report Posted November 25, 2014 Who care what some people may say, the facts are what matters. There is great disagreement on how far Brown was away when he got shot fataly. You know, the cop was chasing him at that point, right? So what you're saying is, we don't have all the facts. It doesn't seem like they took any measurements on the scene so we'll probably never know. Quote
Argus Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 So what you're saying is, we don't have all the facts. It doesn't seem like they took any measurements on the scene so we'll probably never know. They released all the evidence, including physical reports, so all that stuff will soon be out on the net. We know that measuring distance is a fairly routine part of such investigations, though. And we know that this would have been presented to the grand jury. If it contradicted Wilson's testimony that would have certainly been reason to call him a liar, so we can infer that it didn't. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 Yeah....and OJ didn't kill Nicole. Justice was served. An impartial jury heard the facts. From your posts, I'm not sure exactly what it is you want. Quote
Smallc Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 Bah ha ha. So many assumptions. That's what we know happened given the process involved. Prove otherwise. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 Again, you completely misunderstand me. I have no racial or ethnic bias. I have high standards of behaviour, however, and I hold everyone to the same ones. I refuse to be like you and make endless excuses for their behaviour just because they're non-white or non-Christian, or female or gay. As I said before, If Michael Brown was white you wouldn't give a damn about what happened that day. Except I did give a shit when an unarmed white dude in Vancouver was tasered to death. Or a kid was shot several times in close quarters on a street car, despite having a knife and being even more of a threat than Brown. So your comment that I wouldn't care if he was white is demonstrably false, unlike your claim that you have no racial or ethnic bias. That has been shown over and over again and you continue to be blind to it. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 From your posts, I'm not sure exactly what it is you want.For starters, I want the cops to stop killing people when they don't need to. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 25, 2014 Report Posted November 25, 2014 They released all the evidence, including physical reports, so all that stuff will soon be out on the net. We know that measuring distance is a fairly routine part of such investigations, though. And we know that this would have been presented to the grand jury. If it contradicted Wilson's testimony that would have certainly been reason to call him a liar, so we can infer that it didn't.I'm sure the police department with the long history of racism and corruption did an exemplary job of investigating one of their own. Quote
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