Smallc Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 They didn't need quick reactions. That is the point. He wasn't harming anyone. He was no threat to anyone except the ego of the cops on the beat. You can't react the way that he did if you don't want to invite the potential for bad things. Quote
Smallc Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 There was no reason to do a takedown for someone who was committing, maybe, a minor tax or economic crime. Eric Garner was 43 years old and a danger to no one. I agree with that. It was a definite overreaction. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 You can't react the way that he did if you don't want to invite the potential for bad things. Again, you haven't walked in his shoes. Who knows how many times he has been harrassed in the past. No one here on this forum can judge the way he reacted without knowing the full history of the community police with the residents of this place. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Smallc Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 Again, you haven't walked in his shoes. Who knows how many times he has been harrassed in the past. No one here on this forum can judge the way he reacted without knowing the full history of the community police with the residents of this place. So then the same would go for the officer. We don't know what's happened to him in the past to make him react the way they did. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 (edited) So then the same would go for the officer. We don't know what's happened to him in the past to make him react the way they did. 'The officer'. At last count, there were 4 or 5 thugs tackling him to the ground. It didn't take just one. It was a group effort to kill this man and they all should have been held accountable. Edited December 14, 2014 by WestCoastRunner Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Smallc Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 'The officer'. At last count, there were 4 or 5 thugs tackling him to the ground. It didn't take just one. It was a group effort to kill this man. You see, there's your problem. Ther was no effort to kill this man. There was an overreaction, probably caused by past interactions with poeple. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 You see, there's your problem. Ther was no effort to kill this man. There was an overreaction, probably caused by past interactions with poeple. Whatever. I give up. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Smallc Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 An effort to kill Garner would need to be proven. What we have here is an overreaction. Quote
jacee Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 (edited) killing-michael-brown-has-made-darren-wilson-a-millionaire/ Ok. my apologies. What to say ... ! Wilson got lots of donations for his defence, which wasn't necessary, and payout by media for his story. There's just something very bizarre about a (former) cop profiting from shooting someone. . Edited December 14, 2014 by jacee Quote
Shady Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 Oh yeah we have some brain dead cops up here who think it's all fun and games to kill people too. Just not near so many. You think those cops just think it's fun and games? Quote
Shady Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 'The officer'. At last count, there were 4 or 5 thugs tackling him to the ground. It didn't take just one. It was a group effort to kill this man and they all should have been held accountable. It was a group effort, including Garner himself. Who contributed by committing a crime and then resisting arrest. If he would have complied he'd still be alive. Quote
Shady Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 killing-michael-brown-has-made-darren-wilson-a-millionaire/ Posting just a link is against forum rules. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 killing-michael-brown-has-made-darren-wilson-a-millionaire/ It's true. Post a comment, at least, to move the discussion along please... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
cybercoma Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 (edited) It isn't clear that what he did causes the death directly, or that an actual chokehold was what they meant to do. Wow. That's some serious stretching. I have to wonder if you've even watched the video. If you have then you're just being intellectually dishonest. Edited December 14, 2014 by cybercoma Quote
cybercoma Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 You see, there's your problem. Ther was no effort to kill this man. There was an overreaction, probably caused by past interactions with poeple. Except that they denied him medical attention and used a technique to subdue him that had been banned for 20 years. Why are you so biased here? Quote
cybercoma Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 Posting just a link is against forum rules. Pointing this shit out is also against the forum rules. You're supposed to "report and ignore it." It's true. Post a comment, at least, to move the discussion along please... And here you are encouraging him. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 Pointing this shit out is also against the forum rules. You're supposed to "report and ignore it." And here you are encouraging him. I've R&I'd your R&I comment.....hopefully that will result in.....something that doesn't violate forum sensibilities. Quote
Argus Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 He didn't speak in a loud or belligerant voice probably because it has only happened to him once. Garner was probably harrassed umpteen times and got tired of it and decided to speak up for himself. Again, he was 'allegedly' selling loosies. No evidence has been forthcoming of loosies found on him. Even if there were, again, it was excessive force causing his death. Not 'contributing' but 'causing' his death. He was arrested 30 times. Are you saying that's just cuz he was black? At the time of the final attempted arrest he was out on bail for selling loose cigarettes. That is probably why they decided to take him in. BTW, did you know the supervising officer on the scene was Sergeant Kizzy Adoni, a Black woman? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 There was no reason to do a takedown for someone who was committing, maybe, a minor tax or economic crime. Eric Garner was 43 years old and a danger to no one. And out on bail for doing exactly what the police found him doing again anyway. What do you want them to do, give him a kiss? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 I agree with that. It was a definite overreaction. If he hadn't resisted arrest he would simply have been cuffed and taken in. He clearly pulls away from the police and tells them to get their hands off him, and it's then as he resists physically, that he's grabbed and taken to the ground. This was a routine arrest on a minor matter which only came to public attention because his poor health resulted in him dying. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 Again, you haven't walked in his shoes. Who knows how many times he has been harrassed in the past. No one here on this forum can judge the way he reacted without knowing the full history of the community police with the residents of this place. Your history doesn't matter. Your race doesn't matter. If you resist the police physically they will take you down. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 Except that they denied him medical attention and used a technique to subdue him that had been banned for 20 years. Why are you so biased here? I believe they overreacted. I don't believe there was any effort to kill him. Quote
Smallc Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 If he hadn't resisted arrest he would simply have been cuffed and taken in. He clearly pulls away from the police and tells them to get their hands off him, and it's then as he resists physically, that he's grabbed and taken to the ground. This was a routine arrest on a minor matter which only came to public attention because his poor health resulted in him dying. That's why I don't blame them for what happened. They weren't the only ones overreacting. Quote
jacee Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 I believe they overreacted. I don't believe there was any effort to kill him. The chokehold was banned because it causes death. Using it is illegal and can be expected to cause death. . Quote
Shady Posted December 14, 2014 Report Posted December 14, 2014 The chokehold was banned because it causes death. Using it is illegal and can be expected to cause death. . For the millionth time, it's not illegal. This false narrative that's been perpetuated constantly needs to stop. Saying it over and over and over doesn't make it true. Enough is enough. Quote
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