Big Guy Posted July 29, 2014 Report Posted July 29, 2014 (edited) http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/controversial-jewish-defence-league-to-open-montreal-chapter-1.1936071 Looks like this latest Israeli incursion into Gaza has created a public relations war for the “hearts and minds” of Canadians. A controversial Jewish group, says it tries to fight anti-Semitism by "whatever means necessary," is planning to set up shop in Montreal. “According to Jewish group B'nai Brith, there has been a sharp in anti-Jewish acts in Montreal in the past three weeks, including two young people wearing kippahs being shouted at by an employee at a gas station and a French tourist wearing a who kippah claims he was sucker punched.” The JDL does not have a reputation for solving problems but for creating bigger problems. To create a chapter in Montreal may or may not be a good idea. The JDF's leader will announce who will head up the Montreal chapter on Sunday, and are also planning to start chapters in Calgary and Vancouver. This move has the potential to bring the confrontations and violence between factions in the Middle East into Canada. The JDL has been often criticized by more moderate Jewish organizations for their actions and methods. Do you think a chapter of JDL being set up in Montreal will advance the cause of peace in the Middle East or just add oil to the flames in Palestine and perhaps in Canada. I am looking forward to the reaction of the Harper government. Edited July 29, 2014 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
The_Squid Posted July 29, 2014 Report Posted July 29, 2014 Yay, a propaganda ministry for Israelis in Montreal.... just what we need. A pox on both their houses. Quote
Icebound Posted July 29, 2014 Report Posted July 29, 2014 I don't think the JDL will be a very big problem in Canada because the Jewish organizations themselves will want to keep their more extreme activities reigned in... and they have been pretty quiet since the last arrests in 2001-03 or thereabouts. The JDL itself is not a CRA charity, but in the light of the current audit frenzy, the CRA might be paying closer attention to any charity that has an even remote association. ... Quote
PIK Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/controversial-jewish-defence-league-to-open-montreal-chapter-1.1936071 Looks like this latest Israeli incursion into Gaza has created a public relations war for the “hearts and minds” of Canadians. A controversial Jewish group, says it tries to fight anti-Semitism by "whatever means necessary," is planning to set up shop in Montreal. “According to Jewish group B'nai Brith, there has been a sharp in anti-Jewish acts in Montreal in the past three weeks, including two young people wearing kippahs being shouted at by an employee at a gas station and a French tourist wearing a who kippah claims he was sucker punched.” The JDL does not have a reputation for solving problems but for creating bigger problems. To create a chapter in Montreal may or may not be a good idea. The JDF's leader will announce who will head up the Montreal chapter on Sunday, and are also planning to start chapters in Calgary and Vancouver. This move has the potential to bring the confrontations and violence between factions in the Middle East into Canada. The JDL has been often criticized by more moderate Jewish organizations for their actions and methods. Do you think a chapter of JDL being set up in Montreal will advance the cause of peace in the Middle East or just add oil to the flames in Palestine and perhaps in Canada. I am looking forward to the reaction of the Harper government. http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/07/30/lise-ravary-in-quebecs-media-israel-is-always-the-aggressor/ Probably not, Edited July 30, 2014 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
guyser Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Can they be stopped like the Guardian Angels? Quote
overthere Posted July 30, 2014 Report Posted July 30, 2014 Do you think a chapter of JDL being set up in Montreal will advance the cause of peace in the Middle East or just add oil to the flames in Palestine and perhaps in Canada. I am looking forward to the reaction of the Harper government. I get a little puke in my mouth when I read this nasty crap. The right to speak your views freely and publicly is at the very heart of our lives and freedoms in this country. There have been plenty of Palestinian supporters doing that every day in many Canadian cities lately, and not a fucking peep from you on their absolute right to do that? Of course the JDL has every right to set up branches here, and do anything they please within the laws of Canada. If they, or anybody who disagrees with them, breaks the law then they have to answer for that. My expectation from the Harper govt is exactly the same as what they should be doing when Palestinians march and shout: nothing. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Big Guy Posted July 30, 2014 Author Report Posted July 30, 2014 I get a little puke in my mouth when I read this nasty crap. The right to speak your views freely and publicly is at the very heart of our lives and freedoms in this country. There have been plenty of Palestinian supporters doing that every day in many Canadian cities lately, and not a fucking peep from you on their absolute right to do that? Of course the JDL has every right to set up branches here, and do anything they please within the laws of Canada. If they, or anybody who disagrees with them, breaks the law then they have to answer for that. My expectation from the Harper govt is exactly the same as what they should be doing when Palestinians march and shout: nothing. Sorry about your gastro-intestinal problems. I do hope that it does get resolved. I assume from your post that the "nasty crap" description means that you believe that my post is somehow "nasty" and the content to be "crap". That is certainly your right but to assume a hidden agenda on my part is a mistake. I have found that the JDL to be a very interesting organization that is praised by some Israelis and condemned by others. Their web page can be found at; http://jdl-canada.com/\ There is still a lingering perceived association with Kach and Kahane Chai. It was classified as "a right wing terrorist group" by the FBI in 2001. According to the FBI, the JDL has been involved in plotting and executing acts of terrorism within the United States. That is the reason I began this OP. If you have additional information then please share it here but please watch the language. I do not think it appropriate on this site. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Remiel Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 The political party that represented the JDL's ideology was banned in Israel. That is pretty much all you need to know to know they are not good guys by any stretch of the imagination. Quote
overthere Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 I assume from your post that the "nasty crap" description means that you believe that my post is somehow "nasty" and the content to be "crap". That is certainly your right but to assume a hidden agenda on my part is a mistake. I find your latent fascism abhorrent. Your implication that Harper should do something : ditto. Not in my country. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Rue Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 (edited) I share the comments of Overthere. Word for word. The JDL doesnn't represent the Jewish community, Israelis, Zionists, the Israeli government. They are not even a fraction of the size of the Muslim militant groups in Montreal or Toronto and they are so small they are less then even a fringe group. If they obey the law they have a right to express their views. If they don't obey the law, then they get charged and if need be convicted like any other extremist idiot. I believe the only reason this topic is raised is to make a half assed inference to Jews and Israelis being extremists. Tell me Big Guy why the sudden concern about the JDL and the tie in to Israel? Are you concerned about any other "extremist" group in Canada? Are you concerned with the people who marched on Queen's Park with Hezbollah and Hamas flags chanting death to Jews, death to Israel? As Remiel said, the Kache Party and Meyer Kahane the Rabbia who founded this group were outlawed in Israel and have been rightfully condemned by all Jewish groups of every political and religious ideation. Edited July 31, 2014 by Rue Quote
eyeball Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 Do you think a chapter of JDL being set up in Montreal will advance the cause of peace in the Middle East or just add oil to the flames in Palestine and perhaps in Canada. If nothing else it will help increase tensions and polarization between progressives and regressives in Canada. I am looking forward to the reaction of the Harper government. Careful what you wish for. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Big Guy Posted July 31, 2014 Author Report Posted July 31, 2014 I believe the only reason this topic is raised is to make a half assed inference to Jews and Israelis being extremists. ... As Remiel said, the Kache Party and Meyer Kahane the Rabbia who founded this group were outlawed in Israel and have been rightfully condemned by all Jewish groups of every political and religious ideation. You are free to assume and believe what ever you please. You do express your position very well. That is your right. Why is the JDL then not listed as a terrorist organization in Canada if it is so in the USA? That is my reference to Harper. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Big Guy Posted July 31, 2014 Author Report Posted July 31, 2014 I find your latent fascism abhorrent. Your implication that Harper should do something : ditto. Not in my country. OOPS! Looks like Godwin's Law into effect. You are free to assume and believe what ever you please. You do express your position very well. That is your right. Why is the JDL then not listed as a terrorist organization in Canada if it is so in the USA? That is my reference to Harper. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Moonbox Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 We don't need you to tell us we're free to our own beliefs and assumptions. We already know our rights. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Big Guy Posted July 31, 2014 Author Report Posted July 31, 2014 We don't need you to tell us we're free to our own beliefs and assumptions. We already know our rights. I have no doubt. What I see here are some posters who are so sure of their position that they get angry if anyone even implies that they disagree. It is the "you are with us or you are against us" approach. I do not play that game. There are those who believe that Hamas are the good guys, defending their historical homeland from Israeli aggression and getting slaughtered in the process. I do not agree with them but am not angry that they hold that view. I doubt if there is anything I can post that will change their minds so why bother? They will just get angry and reply with some insult. There are those who think that Israelis are the good guys, defending their people from rocket attacks from Gaza and are justified in killing Palestinian civilians in the process to that end. I do not agree with them but am not angry that they hold that view. I doubt if there is anything I can post that will change their minds so why bother? They will just get angry and reply with some insult. I look at this and most conflicts as a chess game where I have no idea what the opponents are thinking but I try to concentrate on the board to see what the strategy may be. The winner will be who the winner is. Only time and history will prove who was "right". Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Moonbox Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 All of that is well and good, but you don't need to copy/paste empty words repetitively. In this case, you quoted two posters and copy/pasted the same pointless 3-phrase response. If you don't believe that someone is being rational or fair, feel free to poke holes in their logic, or flat out state that they're being biased. You could also just ignore them altogether. We do not however, need you to clog up the board with banalities. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Big Guy Posted July 31, 2014 Author Report Posted July 31, 2014 ..., need you to clog up the board with banalities. Looks like somebody else who is angry that I do not agree with them. Thank you for your suggestions. I would give a more concise reply but am reluctant to clog up the board with banalities. Have a nice day. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Moonbox Posted July 31, 2014 Report Posted July 31, 2014 (edited) Looks like somebody else who is angry that I do not agree with them. Thank you for your suggestions. I would give a more concise reply but am reluctant to clog up the board with banalities. Have a nice day. You didn't make a point worth agreeing or disagreeing with, so I'm not sure what I was supposed to get angry with. Your repetition of vapid phrases like "You're free to believe whatever you want", however, is boring and irritating, and better replaced with an actual discussion-provoking response or nothing at all. Thank you from sparing us additional banalities Edited July 31, 2014 by Moonbox Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Big Guy Posted August 1, 2014 Author Report Posted August 1, 2014 You didn't make a point worth agreeing or disagreeing with, so I'm not sure what I was supposed to get angry with. Your repetition of vapid phrases like "You're free to believe whatever you want", however, is boring and irritating, and better replaced with an actual discussion-provoking response or nothing at all. Thank you from sparing us additional banalities Thank for your response. I am sorry that you are bored and irritated. That was not my intent. I am considering your request for an "actual discussion-provoking response". I would appreciate you giving me an example so that I can provoke a discussion to your standard. I am looking forward to the lesson. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Bonam Posted August 1, 2014 Report Posted August 1, 2014 Thank for your response. I am sorry that you are bored and irritated. That was not my intent. I am considering your request for an "actual discussion-provoking response". I would appreciate you giving me an example so that I can provoke a discussion to your standard. I am looking forward to the lesson. I think you were doing better when you first started and just posted a whole bunch of threads on random topics, some of them interesting. Posting throughout the threads after the OP doesn't seem to be working out for you very well, unfortunately. Quote
Big Guy Posted August 1, 2014 Author Report Posted August 1, 2014 I think you were doing better when you first started and just posted a whole bunch of threads on random topics, some of them interesting. Posting throughout the threads after the OP doesn't seem to be working out for you very well, unfortunately. Thank you for your observation. Just how does one rate if a posting is doing "very well" or "not very well"? Since this is a forum for sharing opinion, how does one gauge if an opinion is "doing well" or "not very well"? I assume that some posters evaluate a point of view as to how many other posters agree with that position. Is that your yardstick? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Bonam Posted August 1, 2014 Report Posted August 1, 2014 Thank you for your observation. Just how does one rate if a posting is doing "very well" or "not very well"? Since this is a forum for sharing opinion, how does one gauge if an opinion is "doing well" or "not very well"? I assume that some posters evaluate a point of view as to how many other posters agree with that position. Is that your yardstick? Nope. My observation was based on my opinion of the quality and content of your posts, not on your political positions. You routinely (not always) thank people for their responses, apologize for something, state that that was not your intent, inform them that they are free to disagree or to hold whatever belief, etc, and then make one or two vapid statements, but seem not to actually comment on the topic at hand. These content-free posts do not add anything to the discussion. I would recommend posting only when you have something related to the topic to say, rather than merely acknowledging other people's replies to you. Quote
Big Guy Posted August 1, 2014 Author Report Posted August 1, 2014 (edited) Nope. My observation was based on my opinion of the quality and content of your posts, not on your political positions. You routinely (not always) thank people for their responses, apologize for something, state that that was not your intent, inform them that they are free to disagree or to hold whatever belief, etc, and then make one or two vapid statements, but seem not to actually comment on the topic at hand. These content-free posts do not add anything to the discussion. I would recommend posting only when you have something related to the topic to say, rather than merely acknowledging other people's replies to you. Thank you for your response. I apologize for not being up to your standard but you are free to disagree or hold whatever belief. “On the issue of ______ , you are taking a moronic stand. It is obvious to anybody with a brain that _______ but people who can't read usually are unable to understand that. You _____ -wingers are what is wrong with Canada. It is about time you had a reality check or at least read about the topic before you post. I'm disgusted by what you post which is so prejudicial that it is ludicrous. If you can't tell by now that ______ are the good guys then there is something wrong with you. Did you even bother to read the PO of this thread? Good Grief!” How's that? You fill in the blanks. Now back to the topic, I may have to get the JDL to defend me from the detractors here before they are declared a terrorist organization by the Harper government. Why has he not done so? Edited August 1, 2014 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Argus Posted August 1, 2014 Report Posted August 1, 2014 What I see here are some posters who are so sure of their position that they get angry if anyone even implies that they disagree. It is the "you are with us or you are against us" approach. I do not play that game. Sure you do. You just aren't honest about it. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 1, 2014 Report Posted August 1, 2014 Thank you for your observation. Just how does one rate if a posting is doing "very well" or "not very well"? Since this is a forum for sharing opinion, how does one gauge if an opinion is "doing well" or "not very well"? Well, since you insist you're too virtuous and unbiased to have any opinions that leaves it difficult to score you, hmm. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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