Canadian Gun Owners Get A Break

[bush_cheney2004]

There will be a little more sanity for Canadian gun owners if proposed legislation is passed into law. Do you agree with the proposed changes to clean up gun laws ?

The Canadian government plans to introduce proposed legislation that would make life easier for many Canadian gun owners.

As CBC News first reported, the government is planning new legislation aimed at cutting red tape. However, the Common Sense Firearms Licensing Act also will include measures intended to show the government takes gun safety seriously.

Here are the proposed new gun rules:

• Authorization required to transport weapons.

• Mandatory safety courses for first-time gun owners.

• Restrictions on owners convicted of domestic assault.

• Swiss Arm Classic Green allowed.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gun-owners-may-face-less-red-tape-new-responsibilities-under-proposed-law-1.2715612

[Derek 2.0]

There will be a little more sanity for Canadian gun owners if proposed legislation is passed into law. Do you agree with the proposed changes to clean up gun laws ?

I agree fully with the incremental proposals, coupled with several measures to strengthening the licensing process.

Authorization required to transport weapons.

This passage is poorly worded…….What this portion covers is rolling the current Authorization to transport (ATT) into a RPAL holders licence, instead of having both a licence and a permit……the licence is now both.

Mandatory safety courses for first-time gun owners.

This is basically in effect already……the vast majority of applicants do take a course so as to help pass the required test……very few people are able to challenge the test without the course or prior firearms knowledge.

Restrictions on owners convicted of domestic assault.

Again this is in essence already in effect…..most convicted felons are unable to obtain a license and have lifetime bans……I suppose this just puts it into stone.

Now with both this and the safety course requirements, I am to assume (fore I haven’t seen the entire legislation) this will close a few avenues incorporated in to the current Firearms Act that allow First Nations applicants to side step these requirements with a letter of reference from their Band council…..if my assumption is correct, this could also help reduce suicides with legal firearms……..

• Swiss Arm Classic Green allowed.

.....and the CZ-858.......As they should, fore the RCMP should never have leveraged a loophole within the act that allows them to reclassify firearms based on the most flimsy of grounds……..And the two separate cases that brought these guns to the forefront should have been addressed directly and not allowed to spiral out of control by the RCMP.

The other thing not mentioned in the article is diminishing the powers of the Provincial Chief Firearms Officers that have created a hodgepodge of inane rules across the country……In particular, the CFO in Ontario that has been taken to court (and lost) numerous times, only to continue with his abusive behaviour.

As a related side note, after talking with my own riding association President after lunch, the CPC’s head office has been inundated with donations since the announcement……..and I expect, once the results of the High River gun grab inquiry are released, either several further amendments or stand alone private members bills put forth in the Fall session.

[The_Squid]

You are such a hypocrite..... railing against Canadians who dare speak of American politics... let alone the sacred 2nd Amendment! And yet.... here you are .... posting about Canadian gun laws..... you make me laugh....

[bush_cheney2004]

You are such a hypocrite..... railing against Canadians who dare speak of American politics... let alone the sacred 2nd Amendment! And yet.... here you are .... posting about Canadian gun laws..... you make me laugh....

We have a winner ! How dare an American post a thread about Canadian (gulp)...gun laws !

[The_Squid]

We have a winner ! How dare an American post a thread about Canadian (gulp)...gun laws !

Nice try Mr Red Herring.... I am clearly referring to your hypocrisy and your hypocrisy alone. I didn't refer to any other Americans nor did I say they shouldn't post about it. It was only a statement about YOUR blatant hypocrisy and silly "debating"/posting tactics.

[bush_cheney2004]

Nice try Mr Red Herring.... I am clearly referring to your hypocrisy and your hypocrisy alone. I didn't refer to any other Americans nor did I say they shouldn't post about it. It was only a statement about YOUR blatant hypocrisy and silly "debating"/posting tactics.

I know...that's why you are the winner. Do you have nothing to say about the topic besides attacking me ?

[The_Squid]

I know...that's why you are the winner. Do you have nothing to say about the topic besides attacking me ?

Attack you? I simply attacked your total hypocrisy on the topic.

[bush_cheney2004]

Attack you? I simply attacked your total hypocrisy on the topic.

Otay....we'll put you down for one "hypocrisy"....this topic is quite popular when it's about the U.S. Go figure.....

[On Guard for Thee]

I like the fact it's tough to get a gun in Canada. But I wonder if it's actually those gun laws that keep us from shooting each other in the numbers that Americans do. I suspect it may have something to do with the fact we tend to leave policeing in the hands of the police, rather than attempt to do it ourselves. The difference in outcomes are clear.

[WestCoastRunner]

Otay....we'll put you down for one "hypocrisy"....this topic is quite popular when it's about the U.S. Go figure.....

It's hard to get excited about gun laws in Canada when we don't have the same issue with massacres as what happens down south.

[bush_cheney2004]

This isn't about "massacres" or gun laws "down south". There are millions of guns in the hands of Canadians and previous attempts at a long gun registry failed, in part because it was one of the biggest IT project failures in history. It is used as an example of what not to do. Fortunately, it is now gone.

[Derek 2.0]

There are millions of guns in the hands of Canadians and previous attempts at a long gun registry failed, in part because it was one of the biggest IT project failures in history. It is used as an example of what not to do. Fortunately, it is now gone.

The LGR was only one part of the failure that is Bill C-68.……With this new planned legislation, many of the errors, that have no measurable effect on public safety, will be reversed……..but there is still plenty of work to do.

[PIK]

I like the fact it's tough to get a gun in Canada. But I wonder if it's actually those gun laws that keep us from shooting each other in the numbers that Americans do. I suspect it may have something to do with the fact we tend to leave policeing in the hands of the police, rather than attempt to do it ourselves. The difference in outcomes are clear.

Ottawa has had a gang shooting problem for the last couple months and 70% of the hand guns used are smuggled in from the states by out native friends.

[cybercoma]

These changes are stupid and don't go far enough. There should be no banned firearms. We should also have open carry and castle laws here. As we saw in that thread about the Mounties, they don't even protect is since they don't shoot to kill. The more armed citizens we have the better we can handle justice ourselves. Cops cost tax money anyway. If we could all just protect ourselves, we won't need to pay taxes and that's a good thing.

[Mighty AC]

Plus if everyone was armed there would be no crime. America would be crime free by now if it wasn't for those hippies who refuse to carry one. Just ask Charlton Heston.

[On Guard for Thee]

I hear ya. Damn socialist government! Next thing ya know they'll want to take our tax money and build hospitals and hire doctors to pull the bullets back out of us, after a bit of a booze fueled Saturday night. And then they'll want tax on the booze as well. Damn! Praise the Lord and pass the ammo!

[Derek 2.0]

These changes are stupid and don't go far enough. There should be no banned firearms.

Agreed 100%........The current prohibited list should revert back to non-restricted and restricted, and with those classifications to only act as a guide for licensing.

We should also have open carry and castle laws here.

We currently have open carry of non-restricted firearms…….as to a Castle doctrine, I agree, the mechanisms to implement further clarification within our self defence laws are already there, they just need to be further refined and defined.

As we saw in that thread about the Mounties, they don't even protect is since they don't shoot to kill. The more armed citizens we have the better we can handle justice ourselves. Cops cost tax money anyway. If we could all just protect ourselves, we won't need to pay taxes and that's a good thing.

Not sure of the crux of your point, but I agree that Canadians should certainly be legally allowed to defend themselves with a firearm when attacked........I don’t look at it as a tax issue though, fore I think those Canadians that pay little to no taxes should be afforded the same right.

[Derek 2.0]

Hurray... I'd personally like to see Concealed Carry Permits and much more open gun laws in Canada..

There already are Authorizations to Carry within the Firearms Act, the problem is that the Provincial CFOs sparingly issue them to only those that some would term “elitist”…..In Canada, if you’re of money, but more importantly political patronage, one is allowed to own firearms to protect their lives.

As to “open gun laws”, care to elaborate on what you mean?

[bush_cheney2004]

Plus if everyone was armed there would be no crime. America would be crime free by now if it wasn't for those hippies who refuse to carry one. Just ask Charlton Heston.

Canada certainly isn't crime free, even with the comical firearms licensing and registration circus. That's why some cross the border to buy ammo...lower prices and better selection. With ATF registration, Canadians can buy and go home with up to 5,000 rounds !

[Derek 2.0]

Canada certainly isn't crime free, even with the comical firearms licensing and registration circus. That's why some cross the border to buy ammo...lower prices and better selection.

For firearms that is true, but for most popular calibers (sans .22lr) we can buy cheaper ammo produced in Russia and China, new production and surplus, then what many Americans don't have access to thanks to your Clinton era import laws.

Edited July 25, 2014 by Derek 2.0

[Big Guy]

Plus if everyone was armed there would be no crime. America would be crime free by now if it wasn't for those hippies who refuse to carry one. Just ask Charlton Heston.

It is time to get the government involved. Pass legislation that makes it mandatory for everyone over the age of 16 to carry a gun at all times. Change PE programs in schools to include target practice and proper shooting techniques. Create a mandatory high school course which includes shooting skills, quick draw techniques and vital target areas in the human body. Make sure that course is a requirement for University entrance. Make sure that teachers in all primary school classrooms are armed at all times and have passed a targeting test.

It is time to get serious about the use of firearms by the Canadian public!

[Derek 2.0]

It is time to get the government involved.

It already is.

Pass legislation that makes it mandatory for everyone over the age of 16 to carry a gun at all times.

Why? Why not just allow Canadians that want to own firearms, that after demonstrating they are not a threat to society through several Governmental mechanisms, the ability to do so?

Change PE programs in schools to include target practice and proper shooting techniques.

In some school districts, that’s certainly an option, but is probably best left to parents to decide…….Of course for decades, not only cadets, but Cub Scouts did exactly that…….It certainly helps demystify and teach safety of firearms to youngsters.

Create a mandatory high school course which includes shooting skills, quick draw techniques and vital target areas in the human body. Make sure that course is a requirement for University entrance.

Why mandatory? Having optional clubs is certainly a viable option….after fishing, sport shooting and hunting is the most populist sport Canadians take apart in as adults.......

Make sure that teachers in all primary school classrooms are armed at all times and have passed a targeting test.

Again I’m assuming you think to make this mandatory……none the less, teachers (like other Canadians) that desire a concealed carry permit, should certainly have that option.

It is time to get serious about the use of firearms by the Canadian public!

I’m glad you feel that way, a serious adult conversation will certainly further along the topic

Edited July 25, 2014 by Derek 2.0

[Big Guy]

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I’m glad you feel that way, a serious adult conversation will certainly further along the topic

I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery. We know that arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense. When travelling, remember the first rule of gunfighting … have a gun. If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns and an armed society is a polite society.

Don't blame guns. If guns kill people then pencils misspell words, cars make people drive drunk and spoons made Rosie O’Donnell fat. We have seen that gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars. In Canada, that rifle on the wall of the labourer’s cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.

And finally, you want my gun? I'll give you my gun when you pry (or take) it from my cold, dead hands!

There, I have finished shooting my mouth off.

[Derek 2.0]

There, I have finished shooting my mouth off.

So you weren’t actually trying to have a serious adult conversation on the subject?

[Big Guy]

Those statements that I used in that post came from ; Thomas Jefferson, Robert Heinlein, Jeff Cooper, James Madison, George Orwell and Charlton Heston. I believe that they are all adults.

Any issue or any opinion on an issue is just as serious as one wants it to be.

Personally, I find the way that our governments have handled this issue is a joke. Any time our elected reps allow political dogma to over ride citizen safety is a joke.

Edited July 25, 2014 by Big Guy