Je suis Omar Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 The US Supreme Court said the Afghanistan invasion was illegal? I'd like to see a cite for that. Could you define "cite" so we can be sure you are familiar with the implications? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 So... you got nothing, right? The US has a right to defend itself. Period. You obviously havent read or at least understood 51. You have a right to defend yourself against a nation that poses a plausible threat. Didnt exist in this case. Quote
Smallc Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 You obviously havent read or at least understood 51. You have a right to defend yourself against a nation that poses a plausible threat. Didnt exist in this case. So you forget again that both the UNSC and NATO sanctioned the war? Quote
Argus Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) Could you define "cite" so we can be sure you are familiar with the implications? Could you define 'terrorism' so we can be sure aren't familiar with the definition? Edited May 13, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 You obviously havent read or at least understood 51. You have a right to defend yourself against a nation that poses a plausible threat. Didnt exist in this case. I'd say the destruction of the World Trade Center makes your sputtering denials laughable if they weren't so ignorant. No plausible threat, eh? So just do nothing and hope they don't do it again? Riiiight. The problem with people like you is you're so filled with hatred towards the West, and against the Americans in particular, that you'll justify any kind of attack on them and criticize anything they do. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Je suis Omar Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 Could you define 'terrorism' so we can be sure aren't familiar with the definition? Could you have someone edit your responses for you? Quote
Je suis Omar Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 I'd say the destruction of the World Trade Center makes your sputtering denials laughable if they weren't so ignorant. No plausible threat, eh? So just do nothing and hope they don't do it again? Riiiight. The problem with people like you is you're so filled with hatred towards the West, and against the Americans in particular, that you'll justify any kind of attack on them and criticize anything they do. Great memes but they are really getting old. You keep forgetting that the USA is the leading terrorist group on the planet, with deaths from their terrorist actions far far far outnumbering all the other "terrorist" actions combined. How come the USA didn't attack Saudi Arabia? There's still some of the purported 9/11 "terrorist hijacked" alive and well living there. Quote
Argus Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 Great memes but they are really getting old. You keep forgetting that the USA is the leading terrorist group on the planet, Naw, being sane, I never accepted that in the first place. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 So you forget again that both the UNSC and NATO sanctioned the war? Didnt forget a thing. You can argue whether any nato country actually sanctioned anything. But what the UN did sanction was not at all what actually occurred. The war was illegal, once again, for various reasons, including that article 51 was wrongly used as a justification. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 I'd say the destruction of the World Trade Center makes your sputtering denials laughable if they weren't so ignorant. No plausible threat, eh? So just do nothing and hope they don't do it again? Riiiight. The problem with people like you is you're so filled with hatred towards the West, and against the Americans in particular, that you'll justify any kind of attack on them and criticize anything they do. Whats actually laughable is people who dont read, or cant understand, what is clearly written as law. But you keep on sputtering along there, maybe one day you will come to understand for instance, the difference between a nation, and a group of 14 or so terrorists who hijack planes. Oh by the way, here is a little geography lesson for you...Saudi Arabia is a totally different country than Afghanistan. Did you skip classes a lot... Quote
Smallc Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 Didnt forget a thing. You can argue whether any nato country actually sanctioned anything. But what the UN did sanction was not at all what actually occurred. The war was illegal, once again, for various reasons, including that article 51 was wrongly used as a justification. Well I expect the war crimes trials any time then. Don't hold your breath. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 Well I expect the war crimes trials any time then. Don't hold your breath. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etal, already convicted, so you can breath again. Quote
Smallc Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etal, already convicted, so you can breath again. Kangaroos don't count - and we were talking about Afghanistan. You're totally out to lunch, which isn't unusual. Quote
Argus Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 Whats actually laughable is people who dont read, or cant understand, what is clearly written as law. But you keep on sputtering along there, maybe one day you will come to understand for instance, the difference between a nation, and a group of 14 or so terrorists who hijack planes. O The number of terrorists is irrelevant. The command and control, the money, the brains, that was in Afghanistan, with, at the time, a force of some 10,000 men at his disposal protected by the Afghanistan government. When people launch attacks from one country on another, that's an act of war, and always has justified retaliation from the other country. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 Kangaroos don't count - and we were talking about Afghanistan. You're totally out to lunch, which isn't unusual. The file is on record with the ICC at the Hague. You can have your lunch now. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 The number of terrorists is irrelevant. The command and control, the money, the brains, that was in Afghanistan, with, at the time, a force of some 10,000 men at his disposal protected by the Afghanistan government. When people launch attacks from one country on another, that's an act of war, and always has justified retaliation from the other country. A ragtag group of terrorists is not a nation. You may fantasize about it, and try to make it one, especially a brown skinned one, but the UN and international law say otherwise. Quote
eyeball Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 The number of terrorists is irrelevant. The command and control, the money, the brains, that was in Afghanistan, with, at the time, a force of some 10,000 men at his disposal protected by the Afghanistan government. When people launch attacks from one country on another, that's an act of war, and always has justified retaliation from the other country.Well truth be told the invasion of Afghanistan was an act of war that followed a retaliation but who's even keeping score anymore?So do the Geneva Conventions or any other international norms used to justify our war/retaliation/whatever apply this evening? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Je suis Omar Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) Well I expect the war crimes trials any time then. Don't hold your breath. Of course there won't be war crimes trials against the USA in the place that truly matters because the war criminal nation USA has surrounded itself with junior war criminal supporters. Bush and Cheney were tried and convicted of war crimes in a Malaysian tribunal. Isn't it amazing that there are still brave people in this world? Where do you think the missing Malaysian airliner is? Edited May 14, 2015 by Je suis Omar Quote
Je suis Omar Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 ... When people launch attacks from one country on another, that's an act of war, and always has justified retaliation from the other country. You make a really lame pretence that you are a rule of law guy but that's an absurd notion. Following your line of "reasoning", you give sanction to Panama, Vietnam, Cambodia, Russia, Mexico, Cuba, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Brazil, Ecuador, Bolivia, Chile, Honduras, Haiti, Angola, Laos, Cambodia, and many other nations to attack the USA. Many of those countries have the right to launch multiple attacks. Did you know that the good guys, the USA supported PolPot and the Khmer Rouge? Quote
Je suis Omar Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 Well truth be told the invasion of Afghanistan was an act of war that followed a retaliation but who's even keeping score anymore? ? It's a truth that should have been told, strongly and repeatedly long ago. But it should be told for what it really is, the ultimate war crime, the one that contains within all the other evils that flow from it. It is the same supreme war crime for which German Nazis and Japanese were hung. That makes the USA no different than those Nazis. Of course Afghanistan and Iraq aren't the events that make the USA the equivalent of the worst war criminals in history. They were outdoing Hitler long before he was in short pants. Quote
cybercoma Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 The extreme rightwing fanatics on this forum have another reason to hate the Supreme Court today. They went and wrote a law that defines a child as a juvenile. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/omar-khadr-youth-or-adult-question-goes-to-canadas-top-court-thursday/article24421830/?click=sf_globefb Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson
Big Guy Posted May 14, 2015 Author Report Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) I would like top know how much Canadian taxpayer money that Harper has spent on this continuous fruitless pursuit of Khadr. All he is doing is adding fodder to the eventual civil suite that Kahdr will probably be launching in the near future. Enough already! Edited May 14, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Argus Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) A ragtag group of terrorists is not a nation. You may fantasize about it, and try to make it one, especially a brown skinned one, but the UN and international law say otherwise. It doesn't have to be a nation. The nation which fosters and hosts them bears responsibility for their actions when they attack others. Edited May 14, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 Well truth be told the invasion of Afghanistan was an act of war that followed a retaliation but who's even keeping score anymore? Crackpot anarchists who think 9/11 was retaliation, probably. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 It's a truth that should have been told, strongly and repeatedly long ago. So you feel the attack on the world trade center was justified, huh? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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