Topaz Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 The city of Mattawa took a bribe from Enridge to not comment on the oil pipeline for 5 years, that going from west to east through their area. What they get in a return.. $30,000 which will buy a rescue truck. So if and when the ipieline finally goes through and down the road it leaks, who is going to clean up the oil that gets into the river and the oil could end up in Ottawa downstream. Of course, if the Wind Companies had paid of the people living close to the turbines, they wouldn't have so many problems with the locals. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-03/transcanada-pays-ontario-town-cash-for-silence.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 I love the Blue Rodeo song Mattawa/ From the sounds of the lyrics, and the look of the town on the local website, they could use the money. Maybe there is a free market value to that exchange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 (edited) The city of Mattawa took a bribe from Enridge to not comment on the oil pipeline for 5 years, that going from west to east through their area. What they get in a return.. $30,000 which will buy a rescue truck. So if and when the ipieline finally goes through and down the road it leaks, who is going to clean up the oil that gets into the river and the oil could end up in Ottawa downstream. Of course, if the Wind Companies had paid of the people living close to the turbines, they wouldn't have so many problems with the locals. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-03/transcanada-pays-ontario-town-cash-for-silence.htmlInteresting. Same in Hamilton I think: Representatives from Hamilton 350 are filing a policy complaint against Hamilton police for accepting $44,410 in donations from Enbridge Pipelines Inc. The money was given in two separate installments $34,910 for a new ATV unit and $9,500 for mapping and GPS equipment in 2010. In a letter to the service, the group argues that if police were involved in a "standoff" between Enbridge and protesters, it would be difficult for officers to remain completely impartial because of the donation. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/group-protests-enbridge-donations-to-hamilton-police-1.1308945 There's no direct link stated, but I recall City Council saying they wouldn't be commenting on the pipeline reversal... Hmm ... Now the cops have the equipment to chase protesters even off road. Hmm ... . Edited July 5, 2014 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 Interesting. Same in Hamilton I think: Representatives from Hamilton 350 are filing a policy complaint against Hamilton police for accepting $44,410 in donations from Enbridge Pipelines Inc. The money was given in two separate installments $34,910 for a new ATV unit and $9,500 for mapping and GPS equipment in 2010. In a letter to the service, the group argues that if police were involved in a "standoff" between Enbridge and protesters, it would be difficult for officers to remain completely impartial because of the donation. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/group-protests-enbridge-donations-to-hamilton-police-1.1308945 There's no direct link stated, but I recall City Council saying they wouldn't be commenting on the pipeline reversal... Hmm ... Now the cops have the equipment to chase protesters even off road. Hmm ... . I wonder how many of you Luddites drive or heat your homes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 (edited) I wonder how many of you Luddites drive or heat your homes?If it's spilling in the headwaters, wetlands and harbour ... it's not heating my home is it?I wonder why anybody would trust Enbridge to reverse flow of oil-now-dilbit in a 40 year old pipeline only half the thickness of current standards in the most heavily populated area of the country. It's not about whether we heat or drive: It's about how. . Edited July 5, 2014 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 It's not about whether we heat or drive: It's about how. Who pays for the gas to fill your car? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 Who pays for the gas to fill your car? You don't even live in Ontario. What do you care if this pipeline flows through Ontario. It will have no impact on your lifestyle if there is an oil leak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 Who pays for the gas to fill your car?I don't drive. Take a bus now and then, but many of us in urban areas don't need a car. My bike doesn't need gas. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted July 5, 2014 Report Share Posted July 5, 2014 You don't even live in Ontario. What do you care if this pipeline flows through Ontario. It will have no impact on your lifestyle if there is an oil leak.Prices will be driven down by the pipeline reverse. Reason enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 (edited) Prices will be driven down by the pipeline reverse. I don't think I'll hold my breath for that!Reason enough.Put it in your headwaters, wetlands, harbour then.. Edited July 6, 2014 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Put it in your headwaters, wetlands, harbour then.Another term for much of the environmentalism we see is NIMBY, or "not in my backyard." Applies here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 (edited) Another term for much of the environmentalism we see is NIMBY, or "not in my backyard." Applies here.So you don't want it in your backyard either.Figures. . Edited July 6, 2014 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Name the names ... All along the controversial pipeline community police departments have been receiving sums of money from Ken Hall, Enbridges rather repetitive greasy-palmed PR Rep. http://hamiltonline9.wordpress.com/2013/06/05/dirty-money-from-dirty-oil-confronting-hamilton-police-corruption/ And more about the wetlands ... Line 9 runs directly through the Beverly Swamp. All pipelines spill, if Tar Sands oil travels down Line 9, this thirty-five year-old pipeline will experience more frequent leaks of more toxic oil directly into the Beverly Swamp in the headwaters of the Spencer Creek, Hamiltons largest watershed. The Beverly Swamp extends 9 miles across Flamborough and is a Class 1 wetland http://hamiltonline9.wordpress.com/the-beverly-swamp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) So you don't want it in your backyard either. Figures. . Actually I support rail shipments of crude oil, a proposed gas pipeline and cable for power from Quebec through my area. I voted for a Tennessee Natural Gas project that needed to purchase part of the neighborhood association property on which I reside. Wrong again. Edited July 7, 2014 by jbg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 The city of Mattawa took a bribe from Enridge to not comment on the oil pipeline for 5 years, that going from west to east through their area. What they get in a return.. $30,000 which will buy a rescue truck. So if and when the ipieline finally goes through and down the road it leaks, who is going to clean up the oil that gets into the river and the oil could end up in Ottawa downstream. Of course, if the Wind Companies had paid of the people living close to the turbines, they wouldn't have so many problems with the locals. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-03/transcanada-pays-ontario-town-cash-for-silence.html Wind Companies have been doing that for years. In Haldimand County in Ontario, the Municipality made a deal with the turbine company to put $2 million into municipality coffers for 20 years. That adds up to a $40 million deal (bribe?) http://www.thestar.com/business/tech_news/2013/05/03/haldimands_cash_for_turbines_deal.html So what is the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) Wind Companies have been doing that for years. In Haldimand County in Ontario, the Municipality made a deal with the turbine company to put $2 million into municipality coffers for 20 years. That adds up to a $40 million deal (bribe?) http://www.thestar.com/business/tech_news/2013/05/03/haldimands_cash_for_turbines_deal.html So what is the problem? The pipeline bribe is for city councils to shut up.Why can private companies pay our local politicians to shut up, when we pay them to speak up for us? Can a developer pay them off to shut up about unpopular projects? Something hinky there. . (Aside: Topaz is it possible to revise the thread title to show the thread is about the pipeline?) . Edited July 7, 2014 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 I love the outrage over this pipeline. THE PIPELINE ALREADY EXISTS!!!!! They're just moving Alberta Oil east instead of imported oil West. We must stop Alberta from getting their oil to market any way possible! How often has this pipeline leaked beforehand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 I love the outrage over this pipeline. THE PIPELINE ALREADY EXISTS!!!!! They're just moving Alberta Oil east instead of imported oil West. We must stop Alberta from getting their oil to market any way possible! How often has this pipeline leaked beforehand? What do you think about Enbridge paying city councils to keep quiet and police for new equipment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 What do you think about Enbridge paying city councils to keep quiet and police for new equipment? The price of doing business. In Toronto you often see developers doing a little something extra to help the community in order to build a gawdy condo building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) I love the outrage over this pipeline. THE PIPELINE ALREADY EXISTS!!!!! They're just moving Alberta Oil east instead of imported oil West. We must stop Alberta from getting their oil to market any way possible! How often has this pipeline leaked beforehand? http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/gta/torontopipeline/2014/02/22/enbridge_line_9_w5_uncovers_unreported_spills_alarming_communities_along_830km_pipe.html Enbridge Line 9: W5 uncovers unreported spills, alarming communities along 830-km pipe Investigation unveils 35 spills along Enbridges suddenly controversial 830-km pipeline, many not revealed to communities until now.. Gee ... we just don't know ... because ENBRIDGE LIES. . Edited July 7, 2014 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/gta/torontopipeline/2014/02/22/enbridge_line_9_w5_uncovers_unreported_spills_alarming_communities_along_830km_pipe.html Enbridge Line 9: W5 uncovers unreported spills, alarming communities along 830-km pipe Investigation unveils 35 spills along Enbridges suddenly controversial 830-km pipeline, many not revealed to communities until now.. Gee ... we just don't know ... because they are liars. . Kay, where were the protests before the oil was changed from imported oil to Alberta Oil? The reversal was approved after the story you linked was published. How is the risk increased by simply reversing the oil flow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 The price of doing business.You think your councillor should be bought off? In Toronto you often see developers doing a little something extra to help the community in order to build a gawdy condo building. There's a bylaw for that in Toronto, and they're required to make such arrangements public.This is Enbridge paying off our city councils for their silence ... while we pay them to speak ... on our behalf. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) Kay, where were the protests before the oil was changed from imported oil to Alberta Oil? The reversal was approved after the story you linked was published. How is the risk increased by simply reversing the oil flow? google it:DILBIT 40 year old pipeline HALF the thickness of the standard for dilbit Millions of people Everything flows downhill to Lake Ontario Beverly Swamp (one of only 3 large natural water purifiers in Ont.) PAYOFFS LIES ABOUT SPILLS Why do they have to lie and bribe? . Edited July 7, 2014 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 I golf in mattawa every yr for the past 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 The price of doing business. In Toronto you often see developers doing a little something extra to help the community in order to build a gawdy condo building. Sounds like bribery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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