Big Guy Posted May 27, 2014 Author Report Posted May 27, 2014 Not just Private security contractors ... I wonder if these post duty options are explained to recruits. It sounds to me like participation in our armed forces can serve as an apprenticeship period for eventual work in a very lucrative career. Sounds like a good deal! Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Michael Hardner Posted May 27, 2014 Report Posted May 27, 2014 I don't think you'll find a link, but it does happen when they have issues with finding their quota's, that is the very problem with a quota system. there is lots of presure from the government to improve upon their numbers. No link, but ok. If what you're saying is true then the overall process is bad, which very well could be true. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
GostHacked Posted May 27, 2014 Report Posted May 27, 2014 And that is the point: Women and minorities have been discriminated against and are extremely underrepresented in the military. I repeat: Let me know when white males are underrepresented in the military. . If you are simply filling a quota, you are missing out on the right person for the job. Affirmative action needs to die. Quote
Army Guy Posted May 27, 2014 Report Posted May 27, 2014 They cover it but it is not stressed, we want them to stay in...... at the recruit level, but it is fully explained in a SCAN seminar for members thinking about retiring. Also at job fairs that are occasionally held on the bases, or in military news papers. big companies will advertise across the nation. They just started doing this about 5 or 6 years ago, because military pers often under estamate their experience and skills , thinking well not much call for a grunt....but they have so much more to offer, leadership courses for instance are through out your carear, safety course including Nuclear safety, tech courses such as computer, advanced eletronics etc etc....all can help on a resume....there is alot more to the military than just living in a mud hole and killing shit..... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Argus Posted May 27, 2014 Report Posted May 27, 2014 First.....thumbs up, although I bet the snobs have reported you for flaming. Now...diversity recruitment targets are the best flawed method to achieve an end goal. Until a better method comes along I'll stick with it. I prefer merit. Tell you what, you put together an army using diveristy recruitment and I'll put together an army based on merit, and we'll see which of us wipes the floor with the other. Deal? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 27, 2014 Report Posted May 27, 2014 (edited) Maybe first of all we should consider who our possible future enemies will be. If it's going to be hand to hand combat with China then we should just make peace with them and give up. Likewise the US. If it's going to be a war of minds with the Chinese then we should recruit only super intelligent men and women because we may have a ghost of a chance in fighting back. As would the US maybe? More likely, China is in the process of making fighting wars a thing of the past. They know that the US pulling the nuclear trigger is all they will ever have to worry about. And that's of very minor concern as bully countries don't do nuclear war with nuclear armed opponents. First of all, congratulations on so blithely laying out a racist view of the Chinese and perpetuating all the cliche's about geeky Chinese guys who spend all their time practicing kung fu when they're not hacking into NASA. Yes, that's right, monty16, all Chinese people know Karate, uh huh, every one of them! As for China making war a thing of the past, Chinese spending on its military has bene exploding over the last decade, with immense increases in military budgets and in the manufacturing and purchase of missiles, warplanes, tanks, and naval ships each and every year. This helps given they are currently "bullying" all their neighbors with their territorial ambitions. Edited May 27, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 27, 2014 Report Posted May 27, 2014 And that is the point: Women and minorities have been discriminated against and are extremely underrepresented in the military. You have evidence to back that up? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Army Guy Posted May 27, 2014 Report Posted May 27, 2014 No link, but ok. If what you're saying is true then the overall process is bad, which very well could be true. The government is not posting links on bad processes , they have enough problems without airing dirty laundry.....they will say they have a process in place, but i doubt you'll find dirt on them... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
monty16 Posted May 27, 2014 Report Posted May 27, 2014 First of all, congratulations on so blithely laying our a racist view of the Chinese and perpetuating all the cliche's about geeky Chinese guys who spend all their time practicing kung fu when they're not hacking into NASA. Yes, that's right, monty16, all Chinese people know Karate, uh huh, every one of them! As for China making war a thing of the past, Chinese spending on its military has bene exploding over the last decade, with immense increases in military budgets and in the manufacturing and purchase of missiles, warplanes, tanks, and naval ships each and every year. This helps given they are currently "bullying" all their neighbors with their territorial ambitions. There's nothing I can find racist in what I said but it seems you are trying to call me a racist. China is not bullying all it's neighbours, that's in your imagination. Weaponry is necessary for China to at least enable them to meet the world's real bully. You know, the one that's been running all over the world starting wars for the last 15 years since it wasn't threatened by a nuclear power. Quote
Army Guy Posted May 27, 2014 Report Posted May 27, 2014 And that is the point: Women and minorities have been discriminated against and are extremely underrepresented in the military. I repeat: Let me know when white males are underrepresented in the military. . There are lots of stories out there, and alot of them are true, the military is made up from people all across the nation, and is a reflection of our morals and values....I'm sure if you took another big company such as GM , Ford you'll find the same problem....this is not just a military problem...although the government has put in place alot of ground breaking advances in these areas and made alot of ground up....still a ways to go....but again it is an average of all Canadians You have to remember that the military was once a mans world, and in the early 90's things began to change....thats not all that long ago....now we have women in the Infantry, Infact our Regt is going to recieve it's first female commanding officer ever....things are not perfect but they are better than in the past... As for discriminating other ethnic back grounds , ya it all happened, most of the stories are true, but again it is getting better...but just a piont not all Canada's minorities want to join the military, they are fleeing their own nations for these reasons.....they don't trust the military, or government or police....they perfer to find work else where..... But to attract these groups vital standards have been lowered , it's not the direction we should be heading in....toughen up the standards, and if you want to get in then there is the recruiting station.....pass the standards and welcome to the team....It should not have anything to do with white, black, male or female.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Argus Posted May 27, 2014 Report Posted May 27, 2014 There's nothing I can find racist in what I said but it seems you are trying to call me a racist. Ignorance is a poor excuse. China is not bullying all it's neighbours, that's in your imagination. Weaponry is necessary for China to at least enable them to meet the world's real bully. That being whom? Vietnam? The Phillipines? Taiwan? Brunei? Indonesia? http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-beijing-power-play-in-the-south-china-sea-is-met-with-us-inaction/2014/05/12/f0602134-d9ef-11e3-b745-87d39690c5c0_story.html Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted May 28, 2014 Report Posted May 28, 2014 I prefer merit. Tell you what, you put together an army using diveristy recruitment and I'll put together an army based on merit, and we'll see which of us wipes the floor with the other. Deal? I'll wipe the floor with you, old man! I don't think old guys are very credible on this issue. You're not properly schooled by young women. . Quote
Army Guy Posted May 28, 2014 Report Posted May 28, 2014 Is this going to involve jello....or veg oil.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Argus Posted May 28, 2014 Report Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) Is this going to involve jello....or veg oil.... It's going to involve carrying hundred pound packs of weapons, ammo and rations over long distances, digging holes in the ground, and hand to hand combat... My whole army will be six foot three guys who are gung-ho and in peak physical condition. Yours will have a lot of skiny little guys, lots of inner city dudes who don't like the outdoors because it's hot and there are bugs and no wifi, and a lot of 140lb women with really nice nail polish. The officers and noncoms will have to be promoted based on diversity targets and bilingualism. Edited May 28, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted May 29, 2014 Report Posted May 29, 2014 Is this going to involve jello....or veg oil....Inappropriate. Quote
Army Guy Posted May 29, 2014 Report Posted May 29, 2014 And this was not.....sounds like something you'd here at a jello wrestling ring.....rather than a NDHQ planning conference....or debate on military manning. I'll wipe the floor with you, old man!I don't think old guys are very credible on this issue. You're not properly schooled by young women Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
jacee Posted May 29, 2014 Report Posted May 29, 2014 And this was not.....sounds like something you'd here at a jello wrestling ring.....rather than a NDHQ planning conference....or debate on military manning. I'm not responsible for your misperception. Sounds to me that like Argus, you're not properly schooled in respect for women. You do realize that I'm a woman? You do realize that you twisted my words disrespectfully ? You do realize that in a workplace your sexualization of my comment would be a discipline issue? When I say "schooled", I mean taught to behave appropriately to women in the workplace. Seems the army isn't doing very well at that. Seems they need more women to do that job properly. . Quote
GostHacked Posted May 29, 2014 Report Posted May 29, 2014 (edited) First of all, congratulations on so blithely laying out a racist view of the Chinese and perpetuating all the cliche's about geeky Chinese guys who spend all their time practicing kung fu when they're not hacking into NASA. I much prefer the racist views and cliches about Muslims instead. Yes, that's right, monty16, all Chinese people know Karate, uh huh, every one of them! And if one want to do it right, and do a racist remark properly, it's Kung-Fu, not Karate. As for China making war a thing of the past, Chinese spending on its military has bene exploding over the last decade, with immense increases in military budgets and in the manufacturing and purchase of missiles, warplanes, tanks, and naval ships each and every year. This helps given they are currently "bullying" all their neighbors with their territorial ambitions. But wait, all major governments are using the Internet as a weapons platform. The US is hacking/spying on China, and vice versa. And really there ARE a bunch of Chinese people sitting behind computers hacking away at the US. As there are Americans sitting behind computers hacking away at China. It's a reality and not really racist. Call it cyberwar. And it's been going on for close to 20 years now. Edited May 29, 2014 by GostHacked Quote
Argus Posted May 29, 2014 Report Posted May 29, 2014 (edited) I'm not responsible for your misperception. Sounds to me that like Argus, you're not properly schooled in respect for women. Lack of respect draws the same. He is correct in that your attitude was flippant and disrespectful, so why should you expect a 'work place environment' type of response? Edited May 29, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Army Guy Posted May 29, 2014 Report Posted May 29, 2014 I'm not responsible for your misperception. Sounds to me that like Argus, you're not properly schooled in respect for women. You do realize that I'm a woman? You do realize that you twisted my words disrespectfully ? You do realize that in a workplace your sexualization of my comment would be a discipline issue? When I say "schooled", I mean taught to behave appropriately to women in the workplace. Seems the army isn't doing very well at that. Seems they need more women to do that job properly. . Yes you are responsable to ensure your comunication is clear and concise and anything, that could be misrepresented is clear to everyone involved. it should also be free of anything that might be considered harrasment.....twice you suggested that old men were not of the same standard , thinking they were old and feable, then suggesting they were not educated to your standard....Harrassment is anything the reciever precieves as harrassment...So it is a double edge sword.... Yes i know your a women....i don't have a issue with that, it seems you do, and expect to be treated differently....with a softer glove. and yet you wanted to be treated as an equal....which one is it.... Your right i did twist your words around, i thought it might be funney, as that is the way i thought you meant it. Im sorry if i offended you in any way, it won't happen again.... Your right the Army is a tougher place where womens skin is not so thin. my bad once again. If you think you got what it takes walk down to the recruiting center, the CF is always looking for women to increase their numbers....you know what they say the best changes come from within.... On the other issue I've been doing this job for over 30 years, and it is very rare that i can be out soldiered by any younger model, male or female.....maybe you Might be the first. I'll wipe the floor with you, old man! I don't think old guys are very credible on this issue. You're not properly schooled by young women. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
jacee Posted May 29, 2014 Report Posted May 29, 2014 Yes you are responsable to ensure your comunication is clear and concise and anything, that could be misrepresented is clear to everyone involved. it should also be free of anything that might be considered harrasment.....twice you suggested that old men were not of the same standard , thinking they were old and feable, then suggesting they were not educated to your standard....Harrassment is anything the reciever precieves as harrassment...So it is a double edge sword.... Yes i know your a women....i don't have a issue with that, it seems you do, and expect to be treated differently....with a softer glove. and yet you wanted to be treated as an equal....which one is it.... Your right i did twist your words around, i thought it might be funney, as that is the way i thought you meant it. Im sorry if i offended you in any way, it won't happen again.... Your right the Army is a tougher place where womens skin is not so thin. my bad once again. If you think you got what it takes walk down to the recruiting center, the CF is always looking for women to increase their numbers....you know what they say the best changes come from within.... On the other issue I've been doing this job for over 30 years, and it is very rare that i can be out soldiered by any younger model, male or female.....maybe you Might be the first. Did I forget to say 'old and feeble woman' ? . Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted May 31, 2014 Report Posted May 31, 2014 That's easy, you either stop getting into fights or you conscript recruits. So you conscript women and minorities to meet the required numbers even through there are plenty of candidates, only they are the wrong sex/race... I'm sure no one will complain about that one. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Signals.Cpl Posted May 31, 2014 Report Posted May 31, 2014 Let's also murder murderers! Oh wait..... Yeah, you are right, we should buy them a condo and let them live their lives... I see nothing wrong punishing someone for their crimes, unless those crimes are their sex or race...I mean I didn't get a choice to be a male and white, it sorta happened so why should I be punished for my race and/or sex? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Signals.Cpl Posted May 31, 2014 Report Posted May 31, 2014 It's not fair because it's sexism. Sexism in the military, vs both men and women, must be fought against. Its not fair because its sexism, but more so its not fair because you end up putting incompetent people in positions where their incompetence will cause death and injury. And the only reason that the people are put in those positions is simply because they are of a certain race or sex. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Signals.Cpl Posted May 31, 2014 Report Posted May 31, 2014 Link? I don't believe that made up scenario ever happened. Made up scenario? The original link: http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/05/19/military-retreating-on-diversity-targets-after-failing-to-meet-recruiting-goals-for-minorities-women/ Making targets in the first place creates this environment when instead of qualifications, people get hired because of their sex or race. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
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