Boges Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Players' personal lives can be brought into the picture, with morality clauses and so on, so the owners' lives should too. Community standards of behavior are for everyone. Players are the employee, Sterling is the employer. News Conference today at 2pm EST. It's expected Adam Silver will suspend and/or fine Sterling but it's possible he's been canvasing other owners to see if Sterling can be muscled out. We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Even if he's not muscled out, he'll eventually have to step down. He's just not going to get any financial support from fans or the business community. It may take a little time though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Players' personal lives can be brought into the picture, with morality clauses and so on, so the owners' lives should too. Community standards of behavior are for everyone. The league's agreement with its franchises allows it to levy punishments for conduct that's damaging to the league. That's their equivalent of a morality clause. The league should apply the maximum fine. Sponsors have already pulled their support from the Clippers. Clippers players have asked him to stay away from Clippers games from now on, because they don't want to be seen associating with somebody like that in public. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Nothing is going to change, it will be in the media for a short period, but what is going to happen, is the league going to take his team away,Not take it away but they are going to fine him a million dollars today (reported) No.....Are is players going to leave, NO i mean they already shown that they like their money to much....wearing shirts inside out.....thats scary , a huge statement " NOT" ....So yes the players got their feelings hurt, but they like their contracts to much to make change....The problem is they cannot walk away without incurring huge fines and loss of pay. But the coach has said he will not return next year if Al is still there. Players will avoid even talking to Clippers brass for the short term unless this gets ironed out. Thats a huge problem for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Not take it away but they are going to fine him a million dollars today (reported)The problem is they cannot walk away without incurring huge fines and loss of pay.But the coach has said he will not return next year if Al is still there.Players will avoid even talking to Clippers brass for the short term unless this gets ironed out. Thats a huge problem for them. Who's Al? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Players' personal lives can be brought into the picture, with morality clauses and so on, so the owners' lives should too. Community standards of behavior are for everyone. But he didn't sign a morals clause, so far as I'm aware. And he's not really a public persona, like a politician, say, or actor. And where do we get off punishing people for what they say in private conversations? It's not like he did anything publicly to insult blacks. Apparently he knows how to behave himself in public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Players are the employee, Sterling is the employer. Like I said, community standards are for everyone. McDonalds takes away franchises from affiliates when it sees fit, why shouldn't the NBA do that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 The league's agreement with its franchises allows it to levy punishments for conduct that's damaging to the league. That's their equivalent of a mora Ok, thanks for the clarity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Like I said, community standards are for everyone. McDonalds takes away franchises from affiliates when it sees fit, why shouldn't the NBA do that ? Because the owners' group has no protocol or process for doing so. How would the current owner be compensated ? This ain't Cuba. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Because the owners' group has no protocol or process for doing so. How would the current owner be compensated ? This ain't Cuba. Exactly. As Mark Cuban said, it's kind of a slippery slope. He's completely against Sterling's sentiments, but at the same time has a problem with some of the so-called remedies. Also, it wasn't as though Sterling said these comments publicly. They were suppose to be private. Should we then make everyone's private feelings public? Is it also legal to record somebody without their knowledge and then release said conversation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 If I was an owner, as repugnant as Sterling's comments are, I would oppose the league cutting him a $500-$700 million cheque just to make him go away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 If I was an owner, as repugnant as Sterling's comments are, I would oppose the league cutting him a $500-$700 million cheque just to make him go away. Whatever it cost to buy out the Clippers would probably be made back in selling to some other eager, egotistical billionaire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Because the owners' group has no protocol or process for doing so. How would the current owner be compensated ? This ain't Cuba. Kimmy identified some punishments that can be meted out. The league could set up a protocol and standard for new owners moving forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Kimmy identified some punishments that can be meted out. The league could set up a protocol and standard for new owners moving forward. Sure they could, but you can't do that retroactively. Major League Baseball already learned this lesson with the Cincinnati Reds (Marge). In the U.S., you don't have to be a billionaire to say whatever you please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Sure they could, but you can't do that retroactively. Major League Baseball already learned this lesson with the Cincinnati Reds (Marge). In the U.S., you don't have to be a billionaire to say whatever you please. Or get in trouble.... Well, that's too bad... I wish they could retroactively ban the team owner from NBA activity... Oooops... looks like they think they CAN ~ http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/29/us/clippers-sterling-scandal/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 (CNN) -- Basketball Commissioner Adam Silver slapped Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling with a lifetime ban from the sport and a $2.5 million fine Tuesday over racist remarks attributed to Sterling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Good ! Figured they would,, afterall they banned Schott from Reds for some time and she was forced to sell her stake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Oooops... looks like they think they CAN ~ This is just a PR move.....lawyers will be lining up for the billionaire's money for the likely lawsuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 This is just a PR move.....lawyers will be lining up for the billionaire's money for the likely lawsuit. Ok, when you were saying that "you can't" do that, were you anticipating that the NBA would try to do it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 The NBA's constitution is secret, yet it does have clauses for embaraassing the league. So it looks like they may push for him to sell the team, but yet, they may not have to. The advertisors have fled the ship, stripping all logos and ads from the arena. The pricks pocketbook will diminish even further when staff flees and no one wants to re-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 "Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling has been banned for life by the NBA in response to racist comments the league says he made in a recorded conversation. Commissioner Adam Silver said he will try to force the controversial owner to sell his franchise. Sterling has also been fined $2.5 million, and Silver made no effort to hide his outrage over the comments. He said a league investigation found that the league's longest-tenured owner was in fact the person on the audiotapes that were released over the weekend." Yes, what he was taped as saying is repulsive to most people - but - it was a private conversation, it was not meant for publication, it is not against the law etc. I just watched press conferences where every organization with an agenda piled on to this owner. I thought that what he said was stupid but he had the right to say it privately. You cannot and should not condemn someone for what they are thinking. This is a very slippery slope when we fine and punish people for what they think. His bigoted thinking is wrong. To punish someone for what they are thinking is worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Ok, when you were saying that "you can't" do that, were you anticipating that the NBA would try to do it ? Yes....the NBA is in damage control mode while trying to keep the league playoffs front and center. Larry Johnson threatened to form an "all black" league. Others comment that the players were happy to take Sterling's "racist" contract salary and bonus money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 According to Silver, he needs a 3 quarters majority to force a sale of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 According to Silver, he needs a 3 quarters majority to force a sale of the team. And the NBA can opt to publish the results of an owners vote, I presume ? Surely somebody out there knows how to do mob justice right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 I thought that what he said was stupid but he had the right to say it privately. You cannot and should not condemn someone for what they are thinking. This is a very slippery slope when we fine and punish people for what they think. His bigoted thinking is wrong. To punish someone for what they are thinking is worse. Ill trust you see the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 Ill trust you see the problem I think I get your point. My belief is that the only people who you can be comfortable telling what you think is your lover. That has been proven a rich ground for news. I believe for that reason, in most democracies, a spouse cannot be forced to testify. I still feel that this is over-kill and piling on at its worst. I guess lots of folks like to see rich, white guys get burnt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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