PrimeNumber Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 I don't practice religion. But I know others do and I don't mind so long as they don't try and visit their beliefs on the rest of us. If you read up on the doctrine of CAMA, which is Harper's religion, you will see that they do just that and it could also explain why Harper has laid off so many government scientists. Could also be the reason why Harper has an unwavering support for Israel and has referred to it as both the holy land and a very sacred place numerous times as well as why he may harbour some contempt for Muslims. Evangelical Christianity and Islam don't get along very well, most of the time. Harper may not bring his Evangelical beliefs directly into the political spotlight but you'd have to have a pretty enormous blind spot for the guy if you think it doesn't effect the way he leads this country, the policies he backs, the alliances he forms and the governments and groups he opposes. Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
On Guard for Thee Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 Could also be the reason why Harper has an unwavering support for Israel and has referred to it as both the holy land and a very sacred place numerous times as well as why he may harbour some contempt for Muslims. Evangelical Christianity and Islam don't get along very well, most of the time. Harper may not bring his Evangelical beliefs directly into the political spotlight but you'd have to have a pretty enormous blind spot for the guy if you think it doesn't effect the way he leads this country, the policies he backs, the alliances he forms and the governments and groups he opposes. Well of course he did worship at the feet of Preston Manning so that's some insight. You're right that he seems to know better than to flog the religion too much in public. What is interesting in a way is now Manning seems to have turned against him politically. I wonder if they'll exchange Xmas cards. Quote
TimG Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) Evangelicals that keep their views to themselves are infinitely preferable to BANANA (Build Nothing Anywhere Near Anyone) environmentalists that constantly lecture people about their "sins" and insists that the rules of economics can be ignored if people would only "believe" in their cult. Edited December 3, 2014 by TimG Quote
Bryan Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 Evangelicals that keep their views to themselves are infinitely preferable to BANANA (Build Nothing Anywhere Near Anyone) environmentalists that constantly lecture people about their "sins" and insists that the rules of economics can be ignored if people would only "believe" in their cult. ^Absolutely^ Quote
Michael Hardner Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 Not unless they have a viable alternative. Yes, the viable alternative is a phase-out. You're saying that they are advocating for reducing to zero fossil-fuels immediately. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Accountability Now Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 I don't practice religion. But I know others do and I don't mind so long as they don't try and visit their beliefs on the rest of us. If you read up on the doctrine of CAMA, which is Harper's religion, you will see that they do just that and it could also explain why Harper has laid off so many government scientists. So being a Christian in a country that that is based on Christian principles and has 2/3 of its people following the Christian faith is now a bad thing? Perhaps to the 25% like you that don't believe in religion but I guess that's how democracy works. The majority rules. Quote
PrimeNumber Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 So being a Christian in a country that that is based on Christian principles and has 2/3 of its people following the Christian faith is now a bad thing? Perhaps to the 25% like you that don't believe in religion but I guess that's how democracy works. The majority rules. Would a country based on Christian principles allow homosexuality and abortion? Doubt it. Canada is a post-christian country. And if trends are accurate with the advent of science and logic that majority may no longer hold true. Christianity is in a decline in Canada. In just 10 years Canada's Irreligious went from 12.3% of the census population to 23.9%. As we learn more and more about our universe, the earth and our species origins what do you think will happen to that 23.9% in another 10 years? Will it almost double again? Christianity has a medium age of 41 in Canada up from what used to be in the mid 30's. As the population grows older and dies I suspect the religious majority will go with them. The 67% christian majority in this country already has a hard enough time enforcing their doctrine and will on the remaining religious and irreligious minorities of Canada. It's only going to get worse. God may be mentioned in the preamble but along with the Queen, there is a growing number of Canadians who no longer care for either of them. Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
overthere Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 Would a country based on Christian principles allow homosexuality and abortion? Doubt it. Canada is a post-christian country. First line of the Canadian Constitution. Many Western democracies in Europe and the USA mention God or a specific Christian religion as part of their founding documents, and they also permit abortion and homosexuality. Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Accountability Now Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 Would a country based on Christian principles allow homosexuality and abortion? Doubt it. Canada is a post-christian country. And if trends are accurate with the advent of science and logic that majority may no longer hold true. Christianity is in a decline in Canada. In just 10 years Canada's Irreligious went from 12.3% of the census population to 23.9%. As we learn more and more about our universe, the earth and our species origins what do you think will happen to that 23.9% in another 10 years? Will it almost double again? Christianity has a medium age of 41 in Canada up from what used to be in the mid 30's. As the population grows older and dies I suspect the religious majority will go with them. The 67% christian majority in this country already has a hard enough time enforcing their doctrine and will on the remaining religious and irreligious minorities of Canada. It's only going to get worse. God may be mentioned in the preamble but along with the Queen, there is a growing number of Canadians who no longer care for either of them. The Christian church is finally starting to change its ways after seeing what being stuck in the past will do. Even the Pope has come out for the homosexuals as of late. I don't know what will happen in the future and you may be right in that more people will become non-religious however I'm not talking about the future. I'm talking about the current leader who was elected by the current population from which a comment was made that his religous background is a shortcoming. Again...I find that hard to beleive considering 2/3 of the current population share the same basic religion. Quote
PrimeNumber Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 God may be mentioned in the preamble but along with the Queen, there is a growing number of Canadians who no longer care for either of them. Said that. But Canada has no official state religion written into the Constitution and support for religious pluralism and freedom of religion which includes freedom FROM religion is also written into the Constitution. Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
TimG Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 Said that. But Canada has no official state religion written into the Constitution and support for religious pluralism and freedom of religion which includes freedom FROM religion is also written into the Constitution.Canadian values include acceptance for different religious views. The problem is a significant number of people on the left reject those values when it comes to Christianity. If acceptance for different religions means anything it must apply to all religions - not just the ones anointed as acceptable by the left. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted December 3, 2014 Author Report Posted December 3, 2014 I get you don't like it when Harper's shortcomings get pointed out, and that you are somehow trying to twist the Palestinian situation with pipeline politics in Canada. Talk about warped! You're oblivious to how offensive your original snide comments were - and were compounded with your reply "so you don't believe Harper is an evangelical?". As I've mentioned, you've dug a pretty deep hypocritical hole - and now you're filling it up with intolerance. But hey - maybe I've missed something so please explain how Harper periodically attending an Evangelical Church is a "shortcoming"? Quote Back to Basics
Argus Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 Evangelical Christianity and Islam don't get along very well, most of the time. Would you like to provide us a list of the religions which DO get along well with Muslims? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) Yes, the viable alternative is a phase-out. You're saying that they are advocating for reducing to zero fossil-fuels immediately. Yes. They are for not pumping oil, for shutting down the oil sands. Now. Suzuki has often expressed his contempt or economics and free markets, all that grubby 'money stuff' (of which he has a considerable amount) He doesn't care if the economy goes to hell. Edited December 3, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 The Christianity angle is thread drift... let's get back to the oil. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 Yes. They are for not pumping oil, for shutting down the oil sands. Now. Suzuki is on record as saying the economy should play no role in the decision to close down the oil sands. The economy is not important. None of that says that oil use should stop immediately. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
PrimeNumber Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) The Christian church is finally starting to change its ways after seeing what being stuck in the past will do. Even the Pope has come out for the homosexuals as of late. I don't know what will happen in the future and you may be right in that more people will become non-religious however I'm not talking about the future. I'm talking about the current leader who was elected by the current population from which a comment was made that his religous background is a shortcoming. Again...I find that hard to beleive considering 2/3 of the current population share the same basic religion.That's pretty funny hey? You think a omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent eternal being wouldn't change it's mind after a couple thousand years about homosexuality. "Hey Pope, tell them it's okay now, it's not so bad, I changed my mind."In theory, being all knowing, he should have seen it coming. I don't think the Conservatives won a majority based on religious principles. In a tally of recent polls they don't hold that majority anymore so I think it's safe to say that most Canadians don't vote with religion in mind but it may sway some voters. I know people who are atheist conservative voters. All Harper has to do is say the wrong thing with a religious undertone and they may be looking for a new party. I'm sure he already has turned some people away based on him being Evangelical. Edited December 3, 2014 by PrimeNumber Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 The Christianity angle is thread drift... let's get back to the oil. OK...but oil comes from God. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 The Christianity angle is thread drift... let's get back to the oil. But it allows those people who are so precious and oh so desperate in their defense of Islam and other religions to sneer at Christians (which adds to their self designated sense of being enlightened people) Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 None of that says that oil use should stop immediately. So he wants them to keep up production? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
PrimeNumber Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 Would you like to provide us a list of the religions which DO get along well with Muslims? I think you have a pretty good idea about what that list would look like.. It's funny how people on the right think just because you put Christianity under the microscope that Islam isn't right there beside it. If Allah was written in the preamble I bet you'd be singing a different tune. I can assure you I wouldn't be. Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
Argus Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) I think you have a pretty good idea about what that list would look like.. It's funny how people on the right think just because you put Christianity under the microscope that Islam isn't right there beside it. Maybe it's that you never put any other religions under your microscope. The Left loves sneering at Christians, but their lips seal up about everyone else. Edited December 3, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
PrimeNumber Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 Maybe it's that you never put any other religions under your microscope. The Left loves sneering at Christians, but their lips seal up about everyone else. Not true I've put all Abrahamic religions under my microscope. It's a petri dish with over 2 thousand years of useless conflict! Quote “Be like water making its way through cracks. Do not be assertive, but adjust to the object, and you shall find your way around or through it. If nothing within you stays rigid, outward things will disclose themselves. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend.”― Bruce Lee
overthere Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 There are many Christian and other churches in Fort McMurray. Therefore , Jesus approves. End of. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
On Guard for Thee Posted December 3, 2014 Report Posted December 3, 2014 You're oblivious to how offensive your original snide comments were - and were compounded with your reply "so you don't believe Harper is an evangelical?". As I've mentioned, you've dug a pretty deep hypocritical hole - and now you're filling it up with intolerance. But hey - maybe I've missed something so please explain how Harper periodically attending an Evangelical Church is a "shortcoming"? Once again you don't read well. I mentioned I don't care if anyone, including Harper goes to church. Just don't bring that religion to bear on law making which could well affect badly my non-religious environment. Quote
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