WestCoastRunner Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 Well, protestors are protesting that exact thing, and we should all get out of their way protestors are young and have fire in the belly. they protest under circumstances that many of us would not do. Let's get out of their way and let them carry on. If not for them, we wouldn't have the national parks that we have now. Let's think about that for a minute. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Smallc Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 I actually think that we should get out of the pipeline's way. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 If I was going to make ya a bet on what, if any, pipeline project is going to go anywhere, I'd go for energy east. Anything west or south out of Alberta is dead in the water. I think it's clear we'd benefit more from going east and the potential impacts are somewhat less. Having said that, I hasten to add I would like to see us grow up and get off the "mother's milk" of fossil fuels and maybe use our brains a bit more. Quote
Smallc Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 I don't see where some of you get the idea that east is easier. Transmountain and Keystone XL will proceed. Northern Gateway...not so much. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 Get out of the pipeline's way? Seriously? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 I don't see where some of you get the idea that east is easier. Transmountain and Keystone XL will proceed. Northern Gateway...not so much. Northern Gateway is completely dead, the other two are critical. East has the best support for many reasons. Quote
Smallc Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 Seriously, and transmountain shouldn't be that difficult to get done. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 KM lost more legal ground today. Quote
jacee Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 They really don't though, except through their federal representative. So you have to get them to listen. That's democracy. . Quote
jacee Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 I actually think that we should get out of the pipeline's way. You just move wherever you like. . Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 You just move wherever you like. . I hear there are good deals on waterfront on the Kalamazoo River. Quote
Argus Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 Communities have the right to determine if pipelines should flow through their communities. Nothing wrong with that. No, they don't, actually. If 'communities' got to choose things they wanted near them we wouldn't have a highway in any city in Canada. There would be no prisons, no garbage dumps, no group homes, no bars and restaurants, no football stadiums or hockey rinks. Nobody wants this stuff near them but it has to go somewhere. Same for oil. It's a huge part of our national economy and helps pay for all the social services all the do-gooders love so much. Not to mention it helps fuel their cars and is incorporated into their IPODs and Xboxes and cell phones and and whole ton of other stuff. Right now too much of it is traveling by rail, which is less efficient, more costly, and much more likely to result in leaks and accidents. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 Well, protestors are protesting that exact thing, and we should all get out of their way Or throw them in jail, or just mock them and call them names. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 protestors are young and have fire in the belly. they protest under circumstances that many of us would not do. Let's get out of their way and let them carry on. If not for them, we wouldn't have the national parks that we have now. Let's think about that for a minute. Okay, I thought about it. Huh? Protesters brought about our national parks system? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Accountability Now Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 (edited) protestors are young and have fire in the belly. they protest under circumstances that many of us would not do. It's not so much about age as it is more that they have nothing to lose. I read somewhere that David Suzuki would have protested with them if it weren't for his position with The Nature of Things. I guess he doesn't want to give up his mansions or multiple gas guzzling vehicles! Edited November 30, 2014 by Accountability Now Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 I read somewhere that David Suzuki would have protested with them if it weren't for his position with The Nature of Things. I guess he doesn't want to give up his mansions or multiple gas guzzling vehicles! Can I have a cite on that one ? The pipeline issue has a lot of points of debate, but attacking the greed of people on either side will just turn the debate personal. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Smallc Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 Can I have a cite on that one ? The pipeline issue has a lot of points of debate, but attacking the greed of people on either side will just turn the debate personal. It's true. I remember reading it: "Tamo Campos is my grandson and I am very proud of him. He is doing what I would have done myself were it not a risk to my position as host of The Nature of Things on CBC. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/11/23/david-suzuki-letter-tamo-campos_n_6206360.html Do as I say, not as I do. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 Do as I say, not as I do. I don't think that's apt. Would you rather he be like Rex Murphy, taking money from the Oil Lobby while acting as a reporter ? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
TimG Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 (edited) I don't think that's apt. Would you rather he be like Rex Murphy, taking money from the Oil Lobby while acting as a reporter?Rex is an opinion columnist he has his opinions and he gets paid by people and organizations who happen to like his opinions. A small subset of those organizations are oil companies. But you know that and but you still want to smear the guy as somehow not objective or that he has the opinions he does because of a small percentage of his income comes from sources which you disapprove of. It is dishonest. On the other hand, we have have Suzuki who is a paid shill for big green for decades yet he is the host of a supposedly objective 'science program'. Yet you seem to have no problem with that? Why the contradiction? Edited November 30, 2014 by TimG Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 I guess he doesn't want to give up his mansions or multiple gas guzzling vehicles! I have cross paths with Suzuki numerous times on the bus in Vancouver. And let's not forget that he bought the first Toyota prius in Canada. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
TimG Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 And let's not forget that he bought the first Toyota prius in Canada.And flies extremely eco-unfriendly business class (I have seen him too). Quote
Michael Hardner Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 Rex is an opinion columnist he has his opinions and he gets paid by people and organizations who happen to like his opinions. So shouldn't he disclose that when he tells people his opinion on the news ? He's a charlatan. On the other hand, we have have Suzuki who is a paid shill for big green for decades yet he is the host of a supposedly objective 'science program'. Yet you seem to have no problem with that? Why the contradiction? Is he on The National ? Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 Also - I got my information on controversy here from the press. The only controversy I know of about Suzuki is his anti-immigration stance. I'm not sure where the accusation of hypocrisy on him comes from. Can I have a cite on that ? I got a cite above that didn't address this: "he doesn't want to give up his mansions or multiple gas guzzling vehicles! " Instead, we got a separation of his responsibility to the CBC and his environmental views and a personal decision on how to address that. I'm sure we would have heard enough of it if he continued the show as well as protesting the pipeline. So it's damned if you do and damned if you don't. Meanwhile the guy who goes on the National to shill for people who fill his pockets isn't even brought up. The lesson is clear: if you stand for money, you're already dirty so nobody will expect anything better from you. If you stand for something better, then they will resent you and go after you with all you've got until they've convinced themselves that it's all about money for you, that is to say that you are just like them... Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Smallc Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 I don't think that's apt. Would you rather he be like Rex Murphy, taking money from the Oil Lobby while acting as a reporter ? I'm sorry, did I bring up Rex Murphy? Quote
Accountability Now Posted November 30, 2014 Report Posted November 30, 2014 Can I have a cite on that one ? The pipeline issue has a lot of points of debate, but attacking the greed of people on either side will just turn the debate personal. I see SmallC cited the article I had read. What other cites are you looking for which make you think that I'm making this personal? It's a fact that he's a very wealthy man of which he's made his money speaking for environmental causes. I don't need to point any further than his statement about having too much to lose to point out his hypocrisy Quote
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