Charles Anthony Posted September 17, 2015 Report Posted September 17, 2015 Those are subjective assessments but if somebody posted that they believed a certain race was inferior well... Not much room for subjectivityWould such a post inherently require moderator intervention? We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
Michael Hardner Posted September 17, 2015 Report Posted September 17, 2015 Yes you are right it's overused but still - interpreting it strictly as per the definition it's less subjective than the word 'stupid' Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted September 17, 2015 Report Posted September 17, 2015 Would such a post inherently require moderator intervention? No way Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
poochy Posted September 17, 2015 Report Posted September 17, 2015 (edited) The term racist is used here as a catch all rebuttal by those that aren't capable of actually arguing on point, it happens time and again, You truly want to improve the quality of discussion here? Remove or sanction those that do it, but no one really wants to do that, those people along with the others who continuously revert to snide remarks when their lack of intellect paints themselves into the usual illogical corners make this place really difficult to read, and take part in. If, as Argus has stated, it is fair play to call someone a racist for suggesting that we as a country might not want certain people from some other part of the world for legitimate reasons, culture, security, cost, etc, then surely when those people who irrationally yell racist for no real reason make complete fools of themselves people should be allowed to point it out. What other worse thing can you call someone, especially now, in this world? It is a serious accusation, and should not be taken lightly. As it is now, here and elsewhere, if you even think we should screen people before they get here you're likely to be called a racist, but these are some of the same people who will call the PM a fascist, and compare him to Hitler or Stalin, and mean it, they aren't funny, it's not a joke, those people are either very stupid or scum, bottom feeders, you want to improve the forum? Really? Do something about the irrational content posted by some here, and if you truly can't see it, find someone who can. Edited September 17, 2015 by poochy
Bonam Posted September 17, 2015 Report Posted September 17, 2015 I honestly can't believe your viewpoint on this, MH. The terms "racist", "bigot", "sexist", "mysognist" and similar are used as an insult and a means of dismissing opposing opinion on this forum in the overwhelming majority of use cases. Yes, in some cases, they could be used as a factual statement (just as Argus points out moron and idiot could also be used as factual statements in some rare cases), but they literally almost never are. Forum policy should address the typical usage, not the edge cases.
Canada_First Posted September 17, 2015 Report Posted September 17, 2015 I have a better idea: stop calling eachother anything! Seriously. What difference, at this point, does it make whether I call you "Argus" as opposed to quoting your post without any attribution other than the backlink to your post? I don't call people names or affix labels to them.This is fine as long as the Mods will enforce this. The next time I'm called a name or have a label put on me I will report it. If you guys are serious then you may need to stomp it out. I'm not talking about bans. I wouldn't want to see anyone banned from here. You know what I mean...anyways I do hope it stops. I make no secret of the fact that I'm aggressively anti extremist immigration but that do not mean I'm a racist or bigot. That really hurts my feelings.
Michael Hardner Posted September 17, 2015 Report Posted September 17, 2015 that do not mean I'm a racist or bigot. That really hurts my feelings. We should be halting all muslim immigration and interning all Muslims into camps until it's over. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/24973-muslim-hysteria-reaches-new-low-in-texas/#entry1091630 Sorry, Canada1st, but I can understand why people call you a bigot when you advocate putting all people of a religion into camps. It's hard for me to figure out if you're being sincere about having hurt feelings but I have to take you at your word. And, generally, these questions and the answers should be obvious to all of you. Neither Charles nor I need to answer 1000 questions about it... "Racist" is sometimes an insult, and sometimes a statement of fact. If you think you're being insulted and trolled then report it and don't respond. As I said, the intent is usually obvious. If it's not then Charles and I will make our best guest as to what is going on. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Guest Posted September 17, 2015 Report Posted September 17, 2015 (edited) http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/24973-muslim-hysteria-reaches-new-low-in-texas/#entry1091630 Sorry, Canada1st, but I can understand why people call you a bigot when you advocate putting all people of a religion into camps. It's hard for me to figure out if you're being sincere about having hurt feelings but I have to take you at your word. And, generally, these questions and the answers should be obvious to all of you. Neither Charles nor I need to answer 1000 questions about it... "Racist" is sometimes an insult, and sometimes a statement of fact. If you think you're being insulted and trolled then report it and don't respond. As I said, the intent is usually obvious. If it's not then Charles and I will make our best guest as to what is going on. Why do people reply to Canada_First? If posters are going to accuse other posters of racism, then hold up Canada_First as the example, it kind of defeats the argument. It's obvious he's a WUM whose only goal is to get a rise out of folk. He probably doesn't believe half of what he posts. He just likes to see the steam coming out of people's ears. Edited September 17, 2015 by bcsapper
Canada_First Posted September 17, 2015 Report Posted September 17, 2015 Why do people reply to Canada_First? If posters are going to accuse other posters of racism, then hold up Canada_First as the example, it kind of defeats the argument. It's obvious he's a WUM whose only goal is to get a rise out of folk. He probably doesn't believe half of what he posts. He just likes to see the steam coming out of people's ears. I believe every word of what I post. Or I wouldn't post it. I cannot control how people react to me. No one can.
WestCoastRunner Posted September 17, 2015 Report Posted September 17, 2015 If, as Argus has stated, it is fair play to call someone a racist for suggesting that we as a country might not want certain people from some other part of the world for legitimate reasons, culture, security, cost, etc, then surely when those people who irrationally yell racist for no real reason make complete fools of themselves people should be allowed to point it out.So, here's the thing. Certain posters seem to define what 'legitimate reasons' are with absolutely nothing to back up those 'legitimate reasons'. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
cybercoma Posted September 17, 2015 Report Posted September 17, 2015 (edited) It's obvious he's a WUM whose only goal is to get a rise out of folk.A WUM? I haven't had my morning coffee yet. Can you spell that one out for me? Edited September 17, 2015 by cybercoma
Black Dog Posted September 17, 2015 Report Posted September 17, 2015 A WUM? I haven't had my morning coffee yet. Can you spell that one out for me? Wind-up Merchant. A troll in other words.
Argus Posted September 17, 2015 Author Report Posted September 17, 2015 So, here's the thing. Certain posters seem to define what 'legitimate reasons' are with absolutely nothing to back up those 'legitimate reasons'. Gee, you don't think that could be because it's, to use a term, 'subjective'? You don't get to say what is and is not legitimate except in the most extreme and obvious of cases. I.e., if someone says they don't want people here from Africa because they don't like black skins you could honestly say that's not a legitimate reason. If someone posts government statistics which shows the average income for immigrants from various geographical regions, it's certainly legitimate to say you don't want further immigrants from the regions which place lowest on the list. That does not mean you can't argue the point. But you don't get to say that's not a legitimate reason. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 17, 2015 Report Posted September 17, 2015 (edited) ...If someone posts government statistics which shows the average income for immigrants from various geographical regions, it's certainly legitimate to say you don't want further immigrants from the regions which place lowest on the list. That does not mean you can't argue the point. But you don't get to say that's not a legitimate reason. True, but the threshold is not even that high. Opinions expressed within forum rules constraints are also fine. We had a guy who disliked Muslim immigrants because some would wash their feet in the sink for daily prayers and make a real mess in the rest room ! The Mexican janitors weren't too pleased either. Edited September 17, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted September 17, 2015 Report Posted September 17, 2015 Exactly ... If people can legitimately opposed immigration because it threatens Canadian culture (!) then how is it less legitimate to oppose the depigmentation of our blanched out sickly complexions - these are both aesthetic prejudices. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 17, 2015 Report Posted September 17, 2015 Exactly ... If people can legitimately opposed immigration because it threatens Canadian culture (!) then how is it less legitimate to oppose the depigmentation of our blanched out sickly complexions - these are both aesthetic prejudices. Maybe dumb ass CanCon rules don't apply to Muslims. Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted September 17, 2015 Author Report Posted September 17, 2015 Exactly ... If people can legitimately opposed immigration because it threatens Canadian culture (!) then how is it less legitimate to oppose the depigmentation of our blanched out sickly complexions - these are both aesthetic prejudices. That's a kind of ridiculous comparison. People aren't worried about culture as in the Muslims might open a restaurant with weird food that only they and Michael Hardner would want to eat at. They're more worried that as their numbers continue to grow their religious extremism will affect politics and society in ways which we don't like. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted September 17, 2015 Report Posted September 17, 2015 People ? I think some people are worried about culture. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted September 18, 2015 Author Report Posted September 18, 2015 People ? I think some people are worried about culture. And how are you defining culture? I'm defining it as the common set of values shared within a community, not what music is being played. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted September 18, 2015 Report Posted September 18, 2015 I think that I define it more broadly Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted September 18, 2015 Author Report Posted September 18, 2015 I think that I define it more broadly Really? Would you care to expand on that. So far you've only defined it as ethnic restaurants you're happy to visit. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted September 18, 2015 Report Posted September 18, 2015 Really? Would you care to expand on that. So far you've only defined it as ethnic restaurants you're happy to visit. Hmmm... the spectrum of human behavior and expression within a subgroup ? Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted September 18, 2015 Report Posted September 18, 2015 ...and... I'm in thread drift... Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted September 20, 2015 Author Report Posted September 20, 2015 I'd like to make a suggestion that until you've made say, 100 posts, you can't post anything to the status updates. I'd also say you shouldn't be allowed to post links until you've done at least ten posts. Help keep the spammers down. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted September 20, 2015 Report Posted September 20, 2015 I'd like to make a suggestion that until you've made say, 100 posts, you can't post anything to the status updates. I'd also say you shouldn't be allowed to post links until you've done at least ten posts. Help keep the spammers down. I support getting rid of the status updates.
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