Moderating Mapleafweb's Moderation

[Big Guy]

There are a few posters who post (what I believe to be ) racist, mysogynist, bigoted, Islamaphobic and hate comments. They try to sanitize them as some kind of innocent intellectual argument. I believe those statements to be nothing but hate mongering. I have located a number of web sites which reflect their kind of thinking. In fact, I had taken a quote directly from the web site that is almost identical to those of these bigots. I also posted the reference so readers can see for themselves the kind of origins of this kind of thinking.

I believe that a couple of my posts have been deleted.

I understand that this is your site with your sensibilities but if you allow racist rhetoric then why not allow a reference to web pages which reflect that same kind of rhetoric? Why not let the reader decide?

[Canada_First]

Being anti Muslim extremist immigration isn't racist.

Big Guy. What you believe to be racist means absolutely nothing. This isn't your site. You're not the moral authority here so you can stop with your ego and inflated sense of self importance anytime.

Edited September 15, 2015 by Canada_First

[BubberMiley]

Being anti Muslim extremist immigration isn't racist.

What if you don't bother making a distinction and are just generally anti-Muslim?

[Canada_First]

What if you don't bother making a distinction and are just generally anti-Muslim?

I don't want my country flooded with people who'd rather kill me. Thats some sort of bad thing?

[cybercoma]

I don't want my country flooded with people who'd rather kill me. Thats some sort of bad thing?

There's about a million Muslims in Canada right now. If they wanted to kill you, you would be dead.

[BubberMiley]

I don't want my country flooded with people who'd rather kill me. Thats some sort of bad thing?

So there you go. It's the lack of distinction that provokes offence. When you inflate a weak, ineffective enemy by including it with a billion other people who are not interested in fighting you, you make the situation worse for all of us.

[GostHacked]

So there you go. It's the lack of distinction that provokes offence. When you inflate a weak, ineffective enemy by including it with a billion other people who are not interested in fighting you, you make the situation worse for all of us.

When do people realize they are being trolled?

[Canada_First]

When do people realize they are being trolled?

I don't understand why people are saying I'm a troll. I'm not trying to evoke any emotional response. I'm posting my thoughts and attitudes here. I speak the same way I post. Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make me a troll. Plus I think the Mods would ban me if they thought I was trolling.

[Big Guy]

Being anti Muslim extremist immigration isn't racist.

Big Guy. What you believe to be racist means absolutely nothing. This isn't your site. You're not the moral authority here so you can stop with your ego and inflated sense of self importance anytime.

I stated that I feel your statements are racist. I posted the addresses of web pages of organizations who agree with you to allow other readers to make their own decisions as to how to qualify your statements. I was surprised when those web site addresses were deleted from threads.

Personally, I think Canada_First is an attempt by someone to get a rise out of others and to get some attention. You got my attention and I was trying to point out that you and the Ku Klux Klan share views on immigration. But - some people do not feel that the Klan is racist - just "questioning immigration policy".

My point was to allow posters to compare, contrast and make their own decisions.

[Argus]

There is a poster here who posts (what I believe to be) ignorant, santimonious, self-righteous drivel in support of ISIS, Vladimir Putin and Iran, and, being incapable of engaging in discussion or using the quote system, likes to post links to racist webiites like Stormfront and quotes from Adolph Hitler after people who discuss immigration. I would like to post links to sites on mental retardation, dementia, and intellectual disabilities after everything they post so they can get help. Is this okay?

[Big Guy]

I think you should post links to those sites and allow that poster to explain how his views are different from those given on those sites. That would allow other posters to make their own decisions. It would be like someone posting direct quotes from anti-Muslim, racist, bigot sites to compare with your personal submissions to this site and allow you to explain how your views differ. I see no difference but then other posters could access those sites to personally see how your views differ.

Personally, I see no difference between the rants I quoted from on those sites to many of the posts that you have made here. My point is if the moderators allow racist, bigoted, Anti-Muslim, anti-Islam rants from posters on this site then why not allow the same kind of rants referenced from established hate sites? I keep seeing "cite?" and "cite?" and when I do the reference disappears.

BTW - how do your views on immigrants and minority groups differ from those of the Ku Klux Klan, Stormfront, Bare Naked Islam et al.

It would be very easy for you to disassociate yourself from those who follow Stormfront and from Hitlers views of white supremacy if you explained how you two differ in visions.

Please do so and I will be proven to be incorrect.

Edited September 16, 2015 by Big Guy

[Canada_First]

Big Guy. That is absurd way to have a discussion. Is it fair for me to say you have similar views in some ways as Stalin or Lenin or Kim Jong? No it isn't. And I don't do that.

Being critical of immigration doesn't mean they're racist. Thats an absurd position.

[Big Guy]

Big Guy. That is absurd way to have a discussion. Is it fair for me to say you have similar views in some ways as Stalin or Lenin or Kim Jong? No it isn't. And I don't do that.

Being critical of immigration doesn't mean they're racist. Thats an absurd position.

Sure it is fair. You can say what you want as your opinion of my views and to prove your case, quote Lenin, Stalin or Mother Teresa to prove your point. That will give me an opportunity for rebuttal - if required. I would and do give those whose views I see as racist, bigoted, anti-Muslim or Anti-Islamic the same opportunity. You have that opportunity now. Please take advantage of it.

[Charles Anthony]

Guys,

Please avoid thread drift.

Thanks!

I would like to post links to sites on mental retardation, dementia, and intellectual disabilities after everything they post so they can get help. Is this okay?

No.

You should engage politely the topic at hand or ignore it.

I believe that a couple of my posts have been deleted.

Yes and you were told why through the Private Messaging function.

I understand that this is your site with your sensibilities but if you allow racist rhetoric then why not allow a reference to web pages which reflect that same kind of rhetoric?

--- because it was off topic and derailing the thread. You were told that privately.

Why not let the reader decide?

Decide what?

ANSWER: Off topic.

There is no need to make stuff so personal. It derails discussions.

When do people realize they are being trolled?

It takes one to know one.

There is a lot of wisdom behind your rhetorical question. It presupposes an obvious difference in opinion amongst your fellow members on what constitutes trolling.

BTW - how do your views on immigrants and minority groups differ from those of the Ku Klux Klan, Stormfront, Bare Naked Islam et al.

BTW - you are free to start a new thread asking that question. Just make sure the Opening Post is fleshed out enough so that off-topic derailment can be avoided.

Sure it is fair.

If it derails a thread, it will be nixed.

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I suggest that we organize a real life party. Perhaps we could get together on Parliament Hill on election night and laugh at eachother afterwards at a pub. Any takers??

[cybercoma]

Make stuff personal? If people are lifting their ideas from white supremacy groups and Big Guy found those same ideas being posted on those websites, then it's absolutely fair to make that connection and ask them about it. I have no idea why that's personal when you're going after their arguments and showing where the missing references are from. But hey, if you want to protect the junior KKK on this site from being exposed, I guess that's your prerogative. You just make up the rules as you go.

Edited September 16, 2015 by cybercoma

[Bob Macadoo]

Make stuff personal?. ... You just make up the rules as you go.

That's about right. Yet as has been pointed out repeatedly.....such is their perogative.

[drummindiver]

There are a few posters who post (what I believe to be ) racist, mysogynist, bigoted, Islamaphobic and hate comments. They try to sanitize them as some kind of innocent intellectual argument. I believe those statements to be nothing but hate mongering. I have located a number of web sites which reflect their kind of thinking. In fact, I had taken a quote directly from the web site that is almost identical to those of these bigots. I also posted the reference so readers can see for themselves the kind of origins of this kind of thinking.

I believe that a couple of my posts have been deleted.

I understand that this is your site with your sensibilities but if you allow racist rhetoric then why not allow a reference to web pages which reflect that same kind of rhetoric? Why not let the reader decide?

I believe a few posters post (what I believe to be) anti semetic, bigoted rhetoric and hate comments.

I believe these to be nothing but hate mongering.

I have located a number of websites and discovered a whole religion who states one of their ideological tenets is the destruction of same. There are also many governments and organizations who claim the same.

I also understand this is your website. Why not let the reader decide?

[drummindiver]

I stated that I feel your statements are racist. I posted the addresses of web pages of organizations who agree with you to allow other readers to make their own decisions as to how to qualify your statements. I was surprised when those web site addresses were deleted from threads.

Personally, I think Canada_First is an attempt by someone to get a rise out of others and to get some attention. You got my attention and I was trying to point out that you and the Ku Klux Klan share views on immigration. But - some people do not feel that the Klan is racist - just "questioning immigration policy".

My point was to allow posters to compare, contrast and make their own decisions.

Big Guy, you are on here glorifying Iran. Do you not see how some may see this in the same way?

Iran stated..again...no Israel.

I agree, however, we should be given latitude to debate, but CA seems to be in a pissy, give points for anything mood these days.

(to be clear, CA, yours is a thankless difficult job that I would not want)

[Big Guy]

Big Guy, you are on here glorifying Iran. Do you not see how some may see this in the same way?

Iran stated..again...no Israel.

I agree, however, we should be given latitude to debate, but CA seems to be in a pissy, give points for anything mood these days.

(to be clear, CA, yours is a thankless difficult job that I would not want)

Canada has to have some influence in the Middle East. I believe that Canada would be far better off being associated with Iran than with Israel - for a number of reasons which I have already stated. If you call that "glorifying" then that is your opinion. Remember "Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you."? That was Nikita Khrushchev to the USA. North Korea still is on record as to destroying the USA. So what?

Just because I do not believe what I feel is Western spin on ISIS, I pose questions based on facts that I see on the ground. For example - there are about 40,000 (max) ISIS fighters in control of 6 million people in Iraq and Syria. That would be impossible to do without co-operation of the people living there. That is not what we are getting from Western governments. I see posters claiming that to be supporting ISIS.

[Big Guy]

To Charles - I should have read my warning more closely. I had interpreted it to deal with the subject matter being unacceptable rather than thread drift. I now understand more clearly. Thank you for the correction and advice.

[Bonam]

Make stuff personal? If people are lifting their ideas from white supremacy groups and Big Guy found those same ideas being posted on those websites, then it's absolutely fair to make that connection and ask them about it.

I guess next time someone mentions they are vegetarian we should let them know Hitler was vegetarian too, and ask them about the "connection"? Just because some particular idea is shared by someone "bad", doesn't mean the idea itself is bad. Arguments can and should be evaluated to and responded to on their own merits, rather than pointing out that some bad people also made that argument at one point and therefore it must be bad.

[cybercoma]

I guess if veganism was the entire point of Nazism then you would have a rational argument there.

[Big Guy]

I guess next time someone mentions they are vegetarian we should let them know Hitler was vegetarian too, and ask them about the "connection"? Just because some particular idea is shared by someone "bad", doesn't mean the idea itself is bad. Arguments can and should be evaluated to and responded to on their own merits, rather than pointing out that some bad people also made that argument at one point and therefore it must be bad.

I leave the "bad" or "good" to the reader.

We are encouraged here to use web pages or other Internet references in an attempt to validate a point.

I have noted that I believe that some posts here are racist in nature. I have been rebuffed that they are not. I believe that when a known racist site makes a statement about race then that statement is racist. If I can point out that a statement posted here is almost identical to that from a known racist organization then I allow the reader to make their own comparison and their own decision.

"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck." even if it calls itself a swan.

[Canada_First]

I'd be up to meet in person with anyone on here. Just name the time and place and I'll be there. After talking on the phone of course. But I'd be down with any of that. Don't be afraid. We can go for a drink. Discuss. Laugh. It would be fun.

[cybercoma]

I'd be up to meet in person with anyone on here. Just name the time and place and I'll be there. After talking on the phone of course. But I'd be down with any of that. Don't be afraid. We can go for a drink. Discuss. Laugh. It would be fun.

Why are you always trying to get people to meet you in person?

Heh, he said I was afraid to meet in person. I'm not and would meet anyone here, no one will because of their own fears of being actually being as I claim while they are most likely embellishing in order to look cool on a message board.

Edited September 16, 2015 by cybercoma