Toronto Municipal Election Thread 2014

[Shady]

She hasnt smoked crack

She has no criminals on the payroll

She can speak english and mandarin.

Shes not a drunk

Shes not an idiot

She shows up at work

You asking this silly question is amusing considering your legion of posts about and against Jack proves you know plenty of what she is all about.

Those aren't qualifications.

[Black Dog]

Those aren't qualifications.

But dropping out of university to "work" in your daddy's sticker factory before the family packs you off to a cushy gig at city hall is an iron clad resume.

[WWWTT]

Not true. We knew of his public sector, private sector and charitable work.

I provided the link that answers you questions!

You did not provide any links as of yet to back up your claim, therefore you are wrong!

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[WWWTT]

She's never run for an executive position has she?

You are confused as to what an executive position is.

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[WWWTT]

It matters because running as a minority woman that used to be married to Jack Layton means bupkis.

Show me a link where she uses her minority as a distinction?

Rob Ford is a wealthy white overweight drug addict!

So who's the minority.

If anything, RF is more prominently running on his minority status!

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[WWWTT]

What are her qualifications and experience?

You sound like an very uninformed voter (dangerous)!

Check the link I provided.

But your looking for someone who isn't a "minority" so it wouldn't matter anyways.

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[WWWTT]

Those aren't qualifications.

Showing up for work is NOT a qualification?

Whatever you do Shady, don't start a company and hire people without using "showing up to work" as one of your top requirements!

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[Boges]

I don't reckon this will be terribly popular Miss Chow.

http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/toronto2014election/2014/03/24/olivia_chow_would_cancel_scarborough_subway_but_keep_its_tax_hike.html

The Toronto mayoral candidate said on CBC’s Metro Morning early Monday that her plan to kill the subway would “give us the fiscal room to build that relief line, to increase better bus service, to do the housing we need, to fix the housing that is now falling apart, TCHC.”

The ambiguous phrase “fiscal room” — and her spokesman’s comment later that she will “reallocate funding for the Scarborough underground” to other priorities — appeared to suggest she would retain the 1.6 per cent tax hike intended to be dedicated to the subway, while abandoning the project itself.

She would cancel the tax increase, she said emphatically. By “fiscal room,” she said, she meant that giving up the subway would give the council new flexibility to borrow if needed for other key investments, no longer saddled by hundreds of millions of dollars in subway-related debt that would push the city close to its self-imposed debt-payment ceiling of 15 per cent of property tax revenues.

She said her tax hike would be “in line” with inflation. She would not, she said, impose an inflationary increase over and above the increase once intended for the Scarborough project.

So "Fiscal Room" means that cancelling the Subway gives her the ability to raise taxes elsewhere?

Edited March 25, 2014 by Boges

[Rue]

Shady. I hate Chow's politics, but she was a councillor for years where I lived (downtown Spadina, Chinatown). She staked her reputation on looking after the elderly, shut ins, mentally ill,poor.Never hid her left NDP opions. Very outspoken as to her socialist opinions. Never couched them and never was dependent on Layton. She was elected before him and was more powerful then him. If anything he leaned on her connections.

She will run on that. In fact many were surprised when she moved to the federal level. I think she only went because Layton did and she followed him.

She has a very lengthy left wing profile down town. She is actually depending on people who live downtown who are not necessarily trendy leftists to vote her in because regardless of her left wing leanings she looked after people in her riding no matter what their political leaning.

Tory can only win if he can unite everyone against Chow in an anyone but Chow vote.To do that Ford has to be wiped off the map.

Chow's handlers especially Kinsella know its in her best interests to keep Ford alive and syphoning votes from Tory so she can take advantage of the right of centre split to get elected.

For Tory to win Ford has to blow up real good and it has to come down to a 2 way race between Tory and Chow.

Chow might alienate some votes further on in the race when her real left wing ideology comes out of her mouth but its up to Tory to try appeal to all people worried about expenses and government spending and taxes and unify them. In the past he has shown while he is a principled and nice man, he lacks the killer punch. Some compare him to Joe Clark. Good man, but not ruthless enough. Its probably why I like him. He is a genuinely principled man. A genuine moderate centralist.

Chow, she makes no bones about being a strong leftist.

Kinsella's re-packaging her as a fiscal spend thrift is as silly Ford saying he has saved the city billions.

Edited March 25, 2014 by Rue

[Black Dog]

I don't reckon this will be terribly popular Miss Chow.

http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/toronto2014election/2014/03/24/olivia_chow_would_cancel_scarborough_subway_but_keep_its_tax_hike.html

So "Fiscal Room" means that cancelling the Subway gives her the ability to raise taxes elsewhere?

What's really shocking is a politician acknowledging that if we want things, we have to have money to pay for them. Soknacki is the only other one who gets this.

[WWWTT]

I don't reckon this will be terribly popular Miss Chow.

And this is why you're wrong!

http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVicwszFTXEIA.lIXFwx.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMG04Z2o2BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--/RV=1/RE=1395852465/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fthechronicleherald.ca%2fopinion%2f1120645-people-willing-to-pay-higher-taxes-for-better-public-services/RS=%5EADAV372nnl_9FOD0Z3oHMLVDUjmap8-

It's nice to have an opinion, but at some point of time, you're going to have to back up your opinion.

Ford (freek show) won because he didn't run against any major name.

Not so easy this time is it?

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[Boges]

And this is why you're wrong!

http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVicwszFTXEIA.lIXFwx.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMG04Z2o2BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--/RV=1/RE=1395852465/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fthechronicleherald.ca%2fopinion%2f1120645-people-willing-to-pay-higher-taxes-for-better-public-services/RS=%5EADAV372nnl_9FOD0Z3oHMLVDUjmap8-

It's nice to have an opinion, but at some point of time, you're going to have to back up your opinion.

Ford (freek show) won because he didn't run against any major name.

Not so easy this time is it?

WWWTT

You're using an article from Halifax to support your opinion that people in Toronto (at large) are willing to pay more taxes?

Surround GTA communities have seen Property tax hikes far higher than the paltry 2% or less that Toronto has seen. Clearly something about what Rob Ford WAS preaching resonated.

And the former Health Minister of Ontario isn't a big name? What Cabinet position has Chow ever held?

Edited March 25, 2014 by Boges

[WWWTT]

For Tory to win Ford has to blow up real good

http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVj9ytDFTyzUAyWEXFwx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBybnV2cXQwBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMgRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--/RV=1/RE=1395852787/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fwww.youtube.com%2fwatch%3fv%3duHkvD7-u7y8/RS=%5EADAEbfKR6P3QJtn_VlpX4W0hmS0FYg-

We can only hope!

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[WWWTT]

You're using an article from Halifax to support your opinion that people in Toronto (at large) are willing to pay more taxes?

Surround GTA communities have seen Property tax hikes far higher than the paltry 2% or less that Toronto has seen. Clearly something about what Rob Ford WAS preaching resonated.

And the former Health Minister of Ontario isn't a big name? What Cabinet position has Chow ever held?

That was the first poll I found on short notice, and by the way, where's your link? No link yet? Ok then take your time to back up your opinion with something more than more of your own opinion!

Smitherman from Rosedale???? Are you freekin serious!

That guy blackened his name well before running for mayor of Toronto!

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[Boges]

That was the first poll I found on short notice, and by the way, where's your link? No link yet? Ok then take your time to back up your opinion with something more than more of your own opinion!

Smitherman from Rosedale???? Are you freekin serious!

That guy blackened his name well before running for mayor of Toronto!

WWWTT

I was just predicting something. A move by Chow to cancel the, approved by council, decision to raise taxes to build a Subway instead of an LRT AND use language that would indicate that tax hikes will be made up by other projects might not be met with approval by the type of voters that initially voted for Ford in the first place. Sure I could be proven wrong, but we'll see.

It's a nice bit if hindsight to say Smitherman was a junk candidate. I suppose you'd say the same about any politician that has the corruption associated with the McGuinty Liberals on their hand. At the time people were certainly getting behind him.

Another thing, Any study from the Broadbent institute and/or Canadian Centre for Policy Alternative should be subject to a similar grain of salt as something from the Fraser Institute. All are highly partisan.

Edited March 25, 2014 by Boges

[Black Dog]

I was just predicting something. A move by Chow to cancel the, approved by council, decision to raise taxes to build a Subway instead of an LRT AND use language that would indicate that tax hikes will be made up by other projects might not be met with approval by the type of voters that initially voted for Ford in the first place. Sure I could be proven wrong, but we'll see.

The types of voters who voted for Ford in the first place wouldn't vote for Chow anyway. (They also don't understand these things.)

[WWWTT]

It's a nice bit if hindsight to say Smitherman was a junk candidate. I suppose you'd say the same about any politician that has the corruption associated with the McGuinty Liberals on their hand. At the time people were certainly getting behind him.

Another thing, Any study from the Broadbent institute and/or Canadian Centre for Policy Alternative should be subject to a similar grain of salt as something from the Fraser Institute. All are highly partisan.

Smitherman was from Rosedale and Ford was from Etobicoke!

You can't get anymore polarized than those two ridings!

I have also seen other poll numbers suggesting the same thing about taxes going to services. Broadbent inst. only paid for the poll, they didn't conduct it!

Big difference there!

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[Boges]

Smitherman was from Rosedale and Ford was from Etobicoke!

You can't get anymore polarized than those two ridings!

I have also seen other poll numbers suggesting the same thing about taxes going to services. Broadbent inst. only paid for the poll, they didn't conduct it!

Big difference there!

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If people really didn't mind taxes going up. Why would the NDP oppose the imposition of Revenue Tools by the Province to pay for transit? Kathleen Wynne has recently backed off on her plan to raise the Gas Tax and HST.

Obviously municipal taxes go up a certain percent every year. It's unavoidable to maintain services, but people don't have to like it.

[WWWTT]

If people really didn't mind taxes going up. Why would the NDP oppose the imposition of Revenue Tools by the Province to pay for transit? Kathleen Wynne has recently backed off on her plan to raise the Gas Tax and HST.

Obviously municipal taxes go up a certain percent every year. It's unavoidable to maintain services, but people don't have to like it.

I'm sorry Boges, but at this time I honestly can not answer your question in the first part of your comment.

But in Ontario, I will predict a spring election, that could have all MPP's a little shaky about new taxes. This is one possibility. I would have to examine what bill you are exactly writing here about and all involved with it in order to speak further.

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[Boges]

I'm sorry Boges, but at this time I honestly can not answer your question in the first part of your comment.

But in Ontario, I will predict a spring election, that could have all MPP's a little shaky about new taxes. This is one possibility. I would have to examine what bill you are exactly writing here about and all involved with it in order to speak further.

WWWTT

I'm just addressing your claim that people generally don't oppose higher taxes.

I've discussed this issue at length in the Ontario Transit thread. It has nothing to do with the issue of this thread, so I don't want to highjack the thread, though I love having that debate.

I don't think Chow's policy is irresponsible, per say, I just wonder if it will buy her any votes.

[WWWTT]

Obviously municipal taxes go up a certain percent every year. It's unavoidable to maintain services, but people don't have to like it.

Hey I live in Brampton!!!

I'm experiencing exactly what you're talking about here!

Big difference is that I have seen services reduced!!! Sure there's more Peel Regional cops around, but crime is going down!

And the big "kick of sand in the face" is watching that freekin clown/joker always smiling useless parasite highest paid mayor in Canada Susan Fennel getting re-elected!

That reminds me, I got to start a thread about that clown/joker always smiling parasite! Unfortunately nobody freekin cares!

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[WWWTT]

I'm just addressing your claim that people generally don't oppose higher taxes.

I've discussed this issue at length in the Ontario Transit thread. It has nothing to do with the issue of this thread, so I don't want to highjack the thread, though I love having that debate.

I don't think Chow's policy is irresponsible, per say, I just wonder if it will buy her any votes.

Fair enough then.

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[guyser]

Ford will be on the ballot in name only.

By then I suspect he will have had the perp walk from City Hall effectively sinking any chance he had.

If not...meh....he wont win anyhow

[Rue]

Lol WW I disagree with your take on Putin but as for your comments abut Brampton, dead on. Lol you can't be right all the time. Only me.

That said. I do not Chow has the same handlers Smitherman had.She seems to have the no1 Liberal carpet bagger Kinsella and his machine behind her.

I find that interesting. Very interesting. She can separate herself from the provincial Liberals all she wants the point is she is using some of their professional pr people for her campaign. Ah politics. You get in bed with whoever can give you an orgasm er I mean political boost.

Edited March 26, 2014 by Rue

[Big Guy]

Mayor Rob Ford, Olivia Chow, John Tory, Karen Stintz and David Soknacki will be at CityNews for a two-hour televised debate, starting at 5 p.m.

Are debates useful in election campaigns?

Have any potential winners been left out?

Which candidate(s) (if any) will this help?