BC Teachers Getting Screwed...Again

[Hal 9000]

I would beg to differ. The government treats it as just another occupation and an item on the budget that must be cut. It's substantially more important than that.

Whatever you like!

I'm referring to the discussion revolving around how teachers will react/respond after all is said and done. The teachers must punish somebody...and you have to know it will be the kids (and the union dissidents). That in itself shows very weak character.

Edited September 14, 2014 by Hal 9000

[cybercoma]

So, you'd rather have a gov't that makes billion dollar decisions on what can (at best) be described as a coin flip.

I don't understand your point. Are you calling third-party arbitration a coin flip?

[sharkman]

Whatever you like!

I'm referring to the discussion revolving around how teachers will react/respond after all is said and done. The teachers must punish somebody...and you have to know it will be the kids (and the union dissidents). That in itself shows very weak character.

Whatever you like.

[TimG]

I don't have any faith in any party, be it union or employers, who refuses to go to arbitration.

The devil is always in the details. For example, the government could agree to arbitration but place a cap on the cost of any settlement (a condition which is not materially different from the BCTFs requirement that the E80 clause be dropped). Would you then criticize the BCTF if it refused to participate?

If not then how can you possibly criticize the government for refusing the BCTF's disingenuous arbitration offer which excluded the most contentious issues? If the BCTF wants arbitration it should put all issues on the table. It is deceitful for the BCTF to only want to arbitrate those issues where the BCTF has nothing to lose.

Edited September 14, 2014 by TimG

[Hal 9000]

Here's one for Socialist;

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/b-c-teachers-strike-parents-180805553.html

[socialist]

Here's one for Socialist;

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/b-c-teachers-strike-parents-180805553.html

A few anti-BCTF trolls against thousands of public education supporters. You got me there, Hal.

[Hal 9000]

A few anti-BCTF trolls against thousands of public education supporters. You got me there, Hal.

The rally was mostly teachers...and kids. But, this goes to show what I said a few days ago that the tide will soon shift - and today is that day.

Edited September 14, 2014 by Hal 9000

[overthere]

I don't have any faith in any party, be it union or employers, who refuses to go to arbitration.

Then you have a profound misunderstanding of business.

Can't help you with that.

[socialist]

The rally was mostly teachers...and kids. But, this goes to show what I said a few days ago that the tide will soon shift - and today is that day.

How will the tide shift? The BC Libs are desperate to get a deal done. They are meeting right now. 99% of today's peaceful assemblies were pro-BCTF.

[Bob Macadoo]

The rally was mostly teachers...and kids. But, this goes to show what I said a few days ago that the tide will soon shift - and today is that day.

What tide? The teachers were on the pro side organizing the rally. A group who showed up calling themselves "parents" tried to incite a riot and failed. Some tide. Read the article next time.

[Hal 9000]

What tide? The teachers were on the pro side organizing the rally. A group who showed up calling themselves "parents" tried to incite a riot and failed. Some tide. Read the article next time.

What I've seen here is that parents are beginning to speak out against the BCTF. Typically, you hear from the pro-teacher people first because the anti-union people keep quiet. Once the anti-BCTF people have had enough, it usually starts to swing the other way.

[Pct2017]

What tide? The teachers were on the pro side organizing the rally. A group who showed up calling themselves "parents" tried to incite a riot and failed. Some tide. Read the article next time.

A riot I tell you. For a guy who just lives to be able to nitpick to death the remarks of others, that was pretty dramatic.

[Bob Macadoo]

A riot I tell you. For a guy who just lives to be able to nitpick to death the remarks of others, that was pretty dramatic.

Read the article. They went to provoke confrontation hoping to get media coverage......sounds like the action of "parents" looking out for their money....oops I meant kids.

See I wasn't making up chaos from thin air as you, Hal and now BG have done. I used my comprehension skills to filter the substance of an article, synthesize and summarize it for you.......you know those things you learn in Literature class from a......gasp.....teacher. Maybe you missed that class at your School of Hard Knocks.

[Bob Macadoo]

What I've seen here is that parents are beginning to speak out against the BCTF. Typically, you hear from the pro-teacher people first because the anti-union people keep quiet. Once the anti-BCTF people have had enough, it usually starts to swing the other way.

I wonder which Taxpayer Federation organized the incursion.

[Pct2017]

Bob, you keep saying read the article. I do really wonder if you have actually read the article. I quote "A brief melee broke out at a parent, teacher and student pro-teachers rally at the Vancouver Art Gallery Sunday...." Yet, to your words, it was almost a riot. And chaos was evident.

I do sometimes wonder if you are actually Young Socialist's father. Same writing style in that the minute anyone criticizes you, you immediately launch a full out offensive, usually composed entirely of air. You do not rely on useless citations from loopy left wing websites as much as he does, but your style is definitely similar. Interesting theory.

[Hal 9000]

Read the article. They went to provoke confrontation hoping to get media coverage......sounds like the action of "parents" looking out for their money....oops I meant kids.

See I wasn't making up chaos from thin air as you, Hal and now BG have done. I used my comprehension skills to filter the substance of an article, synthesize and summarize it for you.......you know those things you learn in Literature class from a......gasp.....teacher. Maybe you missed that class at your School of Hard Knocks.

"A group who showed up calling themselves "parents" tried to incite a riot and failed."

And this is what you came up with? WoW!

[Bob Macadoo]

Bob, you keep saying read the article. I do really wonder if you have actually read the article. I quote "A brief melee broke out at a parent, teacher and student pro-teachers rally at the Vancouver Art Gallery Sunday...." Yet, to your words, it was almost a riot. And chaos was evident.

I do sometimes wonder if you are actually Young Socialist's father. Same writing style in that the minute anyone criticizes you, you immediately launch a full out offensive, usually composed entirely of air. You do not rely on useless citations from loopy left wing websites as much as he does, but your style is definitely similar. Interesting theory.

I said tried to incite a riot by trying to be confrontational to the, as of that point, peaceful rally. Not almost a riot, again comprehension.

As to your other claim....please don't lump me in with Socialist.....as that is the largest dagger yet, and is not really an interesting theory at all. The writing style is educated......many others adopt it as well. I take criticism of my argument fine.......regurgitating your schtick and calling that criticism though is something else.

[Bob Macadoo]

"A group who showed up calling themselves "parents" tried to incite a riot and failed."

And this is what you came up with? WoW!

What did you see.....the red tide of Liberalism washing over those pinko unionists?

[Bob Macadoo]

I'm done here. You two are like the "parent's group", trying to provoke an unseemly response to "verify" your theory about the messenger. Good day.

[Hal 9000]

I'm done here. You two are like the "parent's group", trying to provoke an unseemly response to "verify" your theory about the messenger. Good day.

Good day to you too!

See you tomorrow!

[Pct2017]

I take criticism of my argument fine.......regurgitating your schtick and calling that criticism though is something else.

Maybe you cannot see it, but those words could have been written by Young Socialist verbatim. OK, regurgitating may be a little advanced for his vocabulary, but the tone and the arrogance is extremely similar. I swear that if there were not headers on the messages identifying the writer, there would be times when your messages and his would be indiscernible. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

[Bob Macadoo]

Maybe you cannot see it, but those words could have been written by Young Socialist verbatim. OK, regurgitating may be a little advanced for his vocabulary, but the tone and the arrogance is extremely similar. I swear that if there were not headers on the messages identifying the writer, there would be times when your messages and his would be indiscernible. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

You wound sir...you wound. I apologize for my tone last evening......overtired waiting in MRI clinic at midnight.

[cybercoma]

Then you have a profound misunderstanding of business.

Can't help you with that.

I have a profound misunderstanding of business because I have no faith in anyone that refuses arbitration? How's that? What does my trust have to do with my understanding of business? Would you trust a union that refused arbitration?

In any case, the private sector and the public sector are very different. The government is not a business nor should it be.

Edited September 15, 2014 by cybercoma

[Bonam]

I have a profound misunderstanding of business because I have no faith in anyone that refuses arbitration? How's that? What does my trust have to do with my understanding of business? Would you trust a union that refused arbitration?

Going to arbitration is an act of government giving away the power and authority it was voted in to wield to an unelected, unaccountable, individual. Why would you trust a government that did this more?

[sharkman]

Typically speaking, governments only trust such persons or boards when the government has stacked them with yes men.