The_Squid Posted June 4, 2014 Report Posted June 4, 2014 BC students have organized a walkout to protest the teacher lockout. From what I am hearing, an overwhelming majority of these students are siding with their teachers. This is good ton see and helps restore a little bit of confidence in our ever-eroding democracy. The sign in the picture of the link I provide says it all. Kudos to BC students for seeing what is really going out with this lockout. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-teachers-strike-student-walkout-plans-prompt-warnings-1.2664097 What are you doing out of school on a school day??? Aren't you a teacher?
The_Squid Posted June 4, 2014 Report Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) Perhaps the government should spend the two summer months hiring replacement workers. That would save a lot of money, and minimize the impact on students. Win-win. Replacement workers (scabs) are illegal in BC. 68 (1) During a lockout or strike authorized by this Code an employer must not use the services of a person, whether paid or not, (a) who is hired or engaged after the earlier of the date on which the notice to commence collective bargaining is given and the date on which bargaining begins, (b ) who ordinarily works at another of the employer's places of operations, (c ) who is transferred to a place of operations in respect of which the strike or lockout is taking place, if he or she was transferred after the earlier of the date on which the notice to commence bargaining is given and the date on which bargaining begins, or (d) who is employed, engaged or supplied to the employer by another person, to perform (e) the work of an employee in the bargaining unit that is on strike or locked out, or (f) the work ordinarily done by a person who is performing the work of an employee in the bargaining unit that is on strike or locked out. (2) An employer must not require any person who works at a place of operations in respect of which the strike or lockout is taking place to perform any work of an employee in the bargaining unit that is on strike or is locked out without the consent of the person. (3) An employer must not (a) refuse to employ or continue to employ a person, (b ) threaten to dismiss a person or otherwise threaten a person, (c ) discriminate against a person in regard to employment or a term or condition of employment, or (d) intimidate or coerce or impose a pecuniary or other penalty on a person, because of the person's refusal to perform any or all of the work of an employee in the bargaining unit that is on strike or locked out. Edited June 4, 2014 by The_Squid
Hydraboss Posted June 4, 2014 Report Posted June 4, 2014 What are you doing out of school on a school day??? Aren't you a teacher? Socialist is about as much a teacher as I am. It wasn't that long ago that he joined MLW and stated he was an Education student. So how about telling us what you teach and in what school district, Socialist? Surely you can identify your professional focus area in education without having to identify yourself on the web? That way we can at least discuss the portion of the cirriculum that you have expertise in. "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
overthere Posted June 4, 2014 Report Posted June 4, 2014 Replacement workers (scabs) are illegal in BC. Easy enough to repeal the law, and get cracking on giving all those kids in BC a future where they can read and write. Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Pct2017 Posted June 5, 2014 Report Posted June 5, 2014 Let's say you are a teacher (sort of like Socialist, only real) here in BC. You have been paying your beloved union about $1500/year for lord knows how many years. Now, that same union has put you in a position where you will get 10% less pay, you have to strike once every 5 days at $50/day and now the union has announced that they are pretty much broke and will not even be able to afford the $50/day much longer. Apparently they spent their whole budget campaigning against the Liberals last spring, lost, and now have to negotiate with said Liberal Party. And, you knew around last September that at the end of the day, you were going to get the same settlement as every other public sector union, be it through negotiations or legislation. And, given that the union is on the hook for the majority of your bennies, you have to ask yourself if you are actually covered for medical insurance. Even if you are not the sharpest teacher around (and there are plenty vying for that crown), would you not start asking yourself, what the heck is my union doing? The strike vote next week will be interesting. http://www.cknw.com/2014/06/05/bctf-strike-pay-running-low/
The_Squid Posted June 6, 2014 Report Posted June 6, 2014 Easy enough to repeal the law, and get cracking on giving all those kids in BC a future where they can read and write. Easy, yes. But politically stupid....
overthere Posted June 6, 2014 Report Posted June 6, 2014 Politically stupid translates as 'having some stones'. The size of a politicians cojones is in inverse proportion to the number of years left until the next election. Christie Clark has at least three years left. Much of the province- those with kids getting screwed out of an education by their teachers, and many of the taxpayers helf to ransom yet again- would be quite pleased with finding somebody in Victoria that owns a spine. Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Pct2017 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Posted June 6, 2014 There is not going to be a mass firing of all teachers in BC. Period. But, what is going to be interesting is just how tolerant the individual teachers are going to be of the real problem, which is the BCTF. The TF has announced that it kind of forgot to gather up a strike fund, so no strike pay for you. But, we are expecting you to be good little soldiers and vote yes to a full strike at a time of year that has maximum effect of screwing the students as hard as possible, particularly those in high school. There is some roulette involved here. Ordinary teachers can finally grow a set and send a message of non-confidence to their union, or they can continue down the current path of being tarred with the same brush as the union. I really do think that the end game for the government is to break the union, both financially and loss of power. This thing could have ended a month ago with simple legislation and lord knows the teachers are accustomed to being legislated back to work here in BC. But, the government is taking a much harder approach this time around and I believe that they believe that the membership will grow weary of the path that the union has embarked upon. And now the union has blinked in stating that it does not have funds to pay even a paltry amount of strike pay. And believe me, nothing speaks more to the heart of a teacher than money. It will be interesting to see if the union executive is held to account on where all of the money went. As I stated earlier, a conservative estimate of annual dues would be $50,000,000, but apparently that is gone. Teachers, time to wakey, wakey. You are getting screwed, but it is not the big bad government that is doing it to you. Hey Socialist, where are you there young fellow? Things are pretty slow around here without your unique view on things. Did mom take away your computer time? Just clean the room and she will give it back.
Pct2017 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Posted June 6, 2014 I do not like to copy and paste other's work, but once again, I think that the person who wrote this summary of the BCTF and their simple minded members pretty much hit the nail on the head. Enjoy. Just think about it.1. Union fails to influence the outcome of a provincial election. (Actually, even NDP may have been an enemy of BCTF very soon).2. Union flames pent up frustration and sense of entitlement in the majority of its ranks (89%). 11% vote against, probably fully aware of consequences and impact on themselves and their customers.3. Union assumes that public will overwhelmingly support them, The reason is a mystery - I can only offer that the teachers probably felt entitled and just by assumed moral superiority they will get support from public. Union fails to do even the most basic study of public mood and inflames the militant 89% even more.4. Union picks the worst possible time of the year. The herd, already whipped up in to a war frenzy doesnt pause to think and launches the first grenade.5. Government has been secretly hoping for a chance to crush the union for years. Sees the best opportunity in decades to completely ruin the union at a time when the least intelligent leader is incharge of the most uncoordinated union ever.6. BCTF feels entitled to a favorable ruling from LRB, forgetting to check even the most basic labor law on how lockouts work. Teachers get dinged and suddenly realize now they are out of their starbucks budget.7. Things get worse, parents and students realize the greed and level of selfishness in this strike timing, and anger raises. Government halls are echoing with giggling, laughter while Ikers and his Veep give clueless opposite statements to press.8. Ikers is desperate and launches a full on strike.and simultaneously acknowledges there is actually no money to support the strike. Fails to check even the most basic rules to labor strike. So the next step is for both the public and the government charter buses and take donations to ship the worst of the lot to Saskatchewan, Alberta and may be NWT and Yukon. This was copied from a contributor on the Global News site.
socialist Posted June 7, 2014 Author Report Posted June 7, 2014 I do not like to copy and paste other's work, but once again, I think that the person who wrote this summary of the BCTF and their simple minded members pretty much hit the nail on the head. Enjoy. Just think about it. 1. Union fails to influence the outcome of a provincial election. (Actually, even NDP may have been an enemy of BCTF very soon). 2. Union flames pent up frustration and sense of entitlement in the majority of its ranks (89%). 11% vote against, probably fully aware of consequences and impact on themselves and their customers. 3. Union assumes that public will overwhelmingly support them, The reason is a mystery - I can only offer that the teachers probably felt entitled and just by assumed moral superiority they will get support from public. Union fails to do even the most basic study of public mood and inflames the militant 89% even more. 4. Union picks the worst possible time of the year. The herd, already whipped up in to a war frenzy doesnt pause to think and launches the first grenade. 5. Government has been secretly hoping for a chance to crush the union for years. Sees the best opportunity in decades to completely ruin the union at a time when the least intelligent leader is incharge of the most uncoordinated union ever. 6. BCTF feels entitled to a favorable ruling from LRB, forgetting to check even the most basic labor law on how lockouts work. Teachers get dinged and suddenly realize now they are out of their starbucks budget. 7. Things get worse, parents and students realize the greed and level of selfishness in this strike timing, and anger raises. Government halls are echoing with giggling, laughter while Ikers and his Veep give clueless opposite statements to press. 8. Ikers is desperate and launches a full on strike.and simultaneously acknowledges there is actually no money to support the strike. Fails to check even the most basic rules to labor strike. So the next step is for both the public and the government charter buses and take donations to ship the worst of the lot to Saskatchewan, Alberta and may be NWT and Yukon. This was copied from a contributor on the Global News site. What a ridiculous list. Teachers are fighting for class size and composition which will benefit everyone's kids. The government is trying to dismantle public education . Teachers are united and stand behind the BCTF, along with a majority of parents. PCT, are you paid by the government to troll forums and make anti-teacher comments? Thankful to have become a free thinker.
socialist Posted June 7, 2014 Author Report Posted June 7, 2014 Some excellent articles here. Stay strong BC teachers! http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/ashley-mackenzie/bc-teachers-strike-vote_b_5458962.html http://thecoalmine.wordpress.com/2014/06/06/why-i-will-vote-yes-for-escalating-job-action/ http://m.thetyee.ca/Opinion/2014/06/07/Subsidizing-Private-Schools/?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=070614 An overwhelming vote in favor of a strike, with a nearly empty strike fund, would be quite a statement. Thankful to have become a free thinker.
socialist Posted June 7, 2014 Author Report Posted June 7, 2014 This is simply representative of the neo-liberal attack on teachers and public education. Read this for greater understanding. http://iejll.synergiesprairies.ca/iejll/index.php/ijll/article/viewFile/679/340 Thankful to have become a free thinker.
socialist Posted June 7, 2014 Author Report Posted June 7, 2014 I do not like to copy and paste other's work, but once again, I think that the person who wrote this summary of the BCTF and their simple minded members pretty much hit the nail on the head. Enjoy. Just think about it. 1. Union fails to influence the outcome of a provincial election. (Actually, even NDP may have been an enemy of BCTF very soon). 2. Union flames pent up frustration and sense of entitlement in the majority of its ranks (89%). 11% vote against, probably fully aware of consequences and impact on themselves and their customers. 3. Union assumes that public will overwhelmingly support them, The reason is a mystery - I can only offer that the teachers probably felt entitled and just by assumed moral superiority they will get support from public. Union fails to do even the most basic study of public mood and inflames the militant 89% even more. 4. Union picks the worst possible time of the year. The herd, already whipped up in to a war frenzy doesnt pause to think and launches the first grenade. 5. Government has been secretly hoping for a chance to crush the union for years. Sees the best opportunity in decades to completely ruin the union at a time when the least intelligent leader is incharge of the most uncoordinated union ever. 6. BCTF feels entitled to a favorable ruling from LRB, forgetting to check even the most basic labor law on how lockouts work. Teachers get dinged and suddenly realize now they are out of their starbucks budget. 7. Things get worse, parents and students realize the greed and level of selfishness in this strike timing, and anger raises. Government halls are echoing with giggling, laughter while Ikers and his Veep give clueless opposite statements to press. 8. Ikers is desperate and launches a full on strike.and simultaneously acknowledges there is actually no money to support the strike. Fails to check even the most basic rules to labor strike. So the next step is for both the public and the government charter buses and take donations to ship the worst of the lot to Saskatchewan, Alberta and may be NWT and Yukon. This was copied from a contributor on the Global News site. Also PCT, how teachers spend their money is none of your business. BCTF spent a lot in court defeating the BC libs. Court costs money. Maybe you didn't know that living in la la land. Thankful to have become a free thinker.
socialist Posted June 8, 2014 Author Report Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) Those of you who are not paying attention to this issue can watch this to gain a full understanding of what is happening. The public support for BC teachers has been astounding. Sorry PCT, not what you wouldn't to hear as you don't deal with facts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxlw3iH8OE4&feature=youtu.be Edited June 8, 2014 by socialist Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Pct2017 Posted June 8, 2014 Report Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) This is simply representative of the neo-liberal attack on teachers and public education. Read this for greater understanding. http://iejll.synergiesprairies.ca/iejll/index.php/ijll/article/viewFile/679/340 He's back!! Socialist's mom gave him back computer time. And so is his inane neo-liberal babble. And ,even more in character, he is citing cartoons as reliable sources once again. Nice touch using the Simpsons to further your cause.We really did miss you there young fellow. Edited June 8, 2014 by Pct2017
socialist Posted June 8, 2014 Author Report Posted June 8, 2014 He's back!! Socialist's mom gave him back computer time. And so is his inane neo-liberal babble. And ,even more in character, he is citing cartoons as reliable sources once again. Nice touch using the Simpsons to further your cause. We really did miss you there young fellow. You are avoiding the fact that your side is losing and you have been ignorantly wrong from the get go. BTW, your jokes aren't very funny. Thankful to have become a free thinker.
socialist Posted June 9, 2014 Author Report Posted June 9, 2014 He's back!! Socialist's mom gave him back computer time. And so is his inane neo-liberal babble. And ,even more in character, he is citing cartoons as reliable sources once again. Nice touch using the Simpsons to further your cause. We really did miss you there young fellow. How old are you? Here is a show of support. You likely missed it. http://bc.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=377873 Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Pct2017 Posted June 9, 2014 Report Posted June 9, 2014 How old are you? Here is a show of support. You likely missed it. http://bc.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=377873 Well, once again, the age old question for our young friend Socialist: do you even watch the videos you post? We have long since ascertained that you do not read the websites that you post which is no surprise. Reading takes a lot out of you. But to not watch a video is strange. Anyhoo, as per usual, you are missing the big picture. The BCTF could not sit down and script a better plot to vilify themselves than the one they are embarking on. They have been completely outflanked by the government in allowing the entire discussion to be around salaries instead of focusing on class composition. I have said repeatedly that the Liberals are bulletproof in this round of negotiations when it comes to public opinion. But the TF does not enjoy the same luxury. And by allowing the upcoming strike to be focused on their greedy salary demands, they will suffer greatly in the court of public opinion. The other factor that the TF has dropped is timing. By having their hissy fit strike now, they will impact upper grade students immensely. And of course, they loose all leverage in less than three weeks when their annual two month vacation begins. So you screw kids as hard as you can and then go off and enjoy your bloated holiday. Great public relations there. And as I have stated before, if they choose to not negotiate in the summer, what is the message there? We are only capable of negotiating when we can hold small children ransom? As I said, the government must be giddy with just how badly the TF has balled this up. This is a really big game changer going forward. If the public starts demanding major changes to how the teachers and their union conduct themselves, this is a government who will listen.
socialist Posted June 9, 2014 Author Report Posted June 9, 2014 Well, once again, the age old question for our young friend Socialist: do you even watch the videos you post? We have long since ascertained that you do not read the websites that you post which is no surprise. Reading takes a lot out of you. But to not watch a video is strange. Anyhoo, as per usual, you are missing the big picture. The BCTF could not sit down and script a better plot to vilify themselves than the one they are embarking on. They have been completely outflanked by the government in allowing the entire discussion to be around salaries instead of focusing on class composition. I have said repeatedly that the Liberals are bulletproof in this round of negotiations when it comes to public opinion. But the TF does not enjoy the same luxury. And by allowing the upcoming strike to be focused on their greedy salary demands, they will suffer greatly in the court of public opinion. The other factor that the TF has dropped is timing. By having their hissy fit strike now, they will impact upper grade students immensely. And of course, they loose all leverage in less than three weeks when their annual two month vacation begins. So you screw kids as hard as you can and then go off and enjoy your bloated holiday. Great public relations there. And as I have stated before, if they choose to not negotiate in the summer, what is the message there? We are only capable of negotiating when we can hold small children ransom? As I said, the government must be giddy with just how badly the TF has balled this up. This is a really big game changer going forward. If the public starts demanding major changes to how the teachers and their union conduct themselves, this is a government who will listen. This is for the ill-informed. That means you, PCT. http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2014/06/bctf-vs-the-government-of-canada-a-battle-against-ignorance/ Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Pct2017 Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 (edited) This is for the ill-informed. That means you, PCT. http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2014/06/bctf-vs-the-government-of-canada-a-battle-against-ignorance/ Interesting piece. So let's summarize what she said:1) when teacher salaries average $71,000/year, some teachers make less than that. Wow, exception deduction. 2) There are not as many teaching jobs as there are BEd grads. Ground breaking news. 3) the little boy in the orange shirt is checking boobies. Ok, she did not say that, but it is pretty funny. 4) She states that teachers do not work 188 days/ year, but offers no evidence. 5) She seems to struggle with the difference between class size and class composition. And the BCTF ain't going to like her solution of hiring non-BCTF EA's. 6) The real funny one is the poll at the bottom of the article. "Are the BCTF's demands reasonable?" 55% no, 39% yes. Socialist, you have personally assured all of us that the public is fully supportive of the teachers, then you lead us to this site. Hmmm, I am confused. Also embedded in the article is a link to another off-ed piece that shreds the BCTF. Thanks for leading me to that one. It has some interesting points. Edited June 10, 2014 by Pct2017
socialist Posted June 10, 2014 Author Report Posted June 10, 2014 (edited) Interesting piece. So let's summarize what she said: 1) when teacher salaries average $71,000/year, some teachers make less than that. Wow, exception deduction. 2) There are not as many teaching jobs as there are BEd grads. Ground breaking news. 3) the little boy in the orange shirt is checking boobies. Ok, she did not say that, but it is pretty funny. 4) She states that teachers do not work 188 days/ year, but offers no evidence. 5) She seems to struggle with the difference between class size and class composition. And the BCTF ain't going to like her solution of hiring non-BCTF EA's. 6) The real funny one is the poll at the bottom of the article. "Are the BCTF's demands reasonable?" 55% no, 39% yes. Socialist, you have personally assured all of us that the public is fully supportive of the teachers, then you lead us to this site. Hmmm, I am confused. Also embedded in the article is a link to another off-ed piece that shreds the BCTF. Thanks for leading me to that one. It has some interesting points. You know very little. The teachers will vote yes, but will refuse to o on a full scale strike. They will continue with rotating strikes which will allow HS students to complete exams. The public will see the sacrifice the teachers are making and will support them even more. I like how the BCTF is handling this. And PCT, please learn the difference between lose and loose. Edited June 10, 2014 by socialist Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Derek 2.0 Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 It’s a shame the negotiations weren’t split into wages/benefits and class size and composition…….Simply put, I can’t see either side negotiating a deal based on composition until after the appeal…..then after it’s taken to the Supreme Court of Canada etc etc….. Ultimately, and in my view rightfully so, if the BCTF goes on a full strike, they loose.
Pct2017 Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 You know very little. The teachers will vote yes, but will refuse to o on a full scale strike. They will continue with rotating strikes which will allow HS students to complete exams. The public will see the sacrifice the teachers are making and will support them even more. I like how the BCTF is handling this. And PCT, please learn the difference between lose and loose. Ah yes, it is often the case here in BC where we associate teachers and their union with sacrifice. About as often as the Canucks win Stanley Cups. Just a point of curiosity, why did you not address the poll that you cited which showed little to no support for the teachers?
socialist Posted June 10, 2014 Author Report Posted June 10, 2014 Ah yes, it is often the case here in BC where we associate teachers and their union with sacrifice. About as often as the Canucks win Stanley Cups. Just a point of curiosity, why did you not address the poll that you cited which showed little to no support for the teachers? This is a very well written blog that explains why it is necessary to vote no this time around. Teachers care about the kids. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CsNjkygWGtmef7YB0N_ANqZPQrKhiN7t1lPmmYEOu00/edit?pli=1 Thankful to have become a free thinker.
socialist Posted June 10, 2014 Author Report Posted June 10, 2014 Another poll that shows the BC public supports the teachers over the government. http://globalnews.ca/news/1383769/nearly-half-of-b-c-parents-with-children-in-school-support-teachers-poll/ Thankful to have become a free thinker.
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