Omar Khadr reclassified as a medium-security

Army Guy · February 14, 2014

I know you didn't say it; I did, as illustration of just how far back his personal choices went. In early 2002, when he was 15, he was, in fact, still in his family's care, living with his mother in Waziristan. He hated the situation and asked his father to let him go to Afghanistan. His father accepted, against the mother's protestations, and off Omar went and in Afghanistan he stayed, in the fold of al-Qaeda, until he was captured.

Thanks for sorting me out on that g_Bambino.....Kind of puts another spin on it does it not ?

DogOnPorch · February 14, 2014

I knew you wouldn't take Omar in...just hope another would...and several provinces over, preferably.

DogOnPorch · February 14, 2014

You know, it's possible that you've met some horrible people in your life that have been reformed and you don't even know it.

You?

GostHacked · February 14, 2014

In what way is our foeign policy supporting Al Queda ? or for that matter terrorism in any country?

Material support VIA NATO in Turkey giving the Free Syrian Army a base of operations. The FSA is made up of known terror groups including Al-Queda. Dog thinks that if a weapon does not have NATO on it, then it is not proof that we are supporting terrorism. I've already shown in other threads that this has been the case in Syria in which we are supporting terrorism. Much in the same way the Muhajedeen was supported via the CIA in Afghanistan.

We are exercising forms of subversion and terrorism when supporting known terror groups against another so called tyrant.We are directly supporting terrorism through our foreign policy, and I will use Syria as a specific example.

DogOnPorch · February 14, 2014

Material support VIA NATO in Turkey giving the Free Syrian Army a base of operations. The FSA is made up of known terror groups including Al-Queda. Dog thinks that if a weapon does not have NATO on it, then it is not proof that we are supporting terrorism. I've already shown in other threads that this has been the case in Syria in which we are supporting terrorism. Much in the same way the Muhajedeen was supported via the CIA in Afghanistan.

We are exercising forms of subversion and terrorism when supporting known terror groups against another so called tyrant.We are directly supporting terrorism through our foreign policy, and I will use Syria as a specific example.

Right...you're claim was that Bulgaria or some other minor actor was handing-out AK-47s to the FSA. Since I've not seen one Turkish weapon in rebel hands...this must be what's happening rather than Russia supplying all the fun stuff for both sides. This continues to be your claim?

Edited February 14, 2014 by DogOnPorch

cybercoma · February 14, 2014

You?

My personal life is frankly none of your business.

DogOnPorch · February 14, 2014

My personal life is frankly none of your business.

So you ARE a reformed criminal. Cool.

cybercoma · February 14, 2014

I didn't say that.

DogOnPorch · February 14, 2014

I didn't say that.

You hinted that somebody I know could be a horrible person while I'm unaware. Since this doesn't apply in my regular life, this must mean some acquaintance online. I just naturally assumed it was you...still suspicious that it is you since YOU brought it up. So...what did you do?

Big Guy · February 14, 2014

And so are the people Omar left behind, the people and legal citizens of Afghan they are serving their full sentence as well life with no chance of parole . left to pick up the pieces of their lifes as Omar lives in the lap of luxury, ...

Well - not quite;

It looks like the Taliban which were thrown into prison in Afghanistan were the lucky ones. Karsai has just thumbed his nose at Canada and the USA by opening up the gates of a prison in Kabul releasing about 65 terrorists. It is expected that most of them will return to their battle. These are Taliban who have killed and maimed Americans, Canadians and British.

“The U.S. military strongly condemned Thursday’s release, saying some of those set free were directly linked to attacks that have killed or wounded 32 U.S. or coalition personnel and 23 Afghan security personnel or civilians.”

Star article can be found at:

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/02/13/afghanistan_defies_us_by_freeing_suspected_militants.html

It is ironic that these convicted terrorists are free while we continue to hold Khadr (I assume on behalf of the Afghanistan government because of Khadr's actions against it) in our jail. Just what are we doing holding this guy in jail? Just what message are we sending? This finger pointing has become silly. Does anybody still think that it was a good idea to get involved in that escalating fiasco in Afghanistan? At this rate we will soon be holding the only prisoner from that debacle.

Admit we made a mistake, let Khadr go, close the door on this sorry mess and lets get on with plans for the next war.

BTW – If we consider that at 15 years of age a person is responsible enough to be treated as a combatant then why don't we allow Canadian 15 year olds into battle?

DogOnPorch · February 14, 2014

We certainly did in the past...only in recent times has age been a real barrier.

http://www.achart.ca/articles/publications/cdn_boy_soldiers.htm

GostHacked · February 14, 2014

Right...you're claim was that Bulgaria or some other minor actor was handing-out AK-47s to the FSA. Since I've not seen one Turkish weapon in rebel hands...this must be what's happening rather than Russia supplying all the fun stuff for both sides. This continues to be your claim?

So why do you keep posting things that claim to be something I said? Every time dude. Actually it seems like you are doing it to others as well. Not very nice Dog.

DogOnPorch · February 14, 2014

So why do you keep posting things that claim to be something I said? Every time dude. Actually it seems like you are doing it to others as well. Not very nice Dog.

So what was your claim then re: NATO supplying the FSA? You said Turkey in the past but failed to turn up any H&Ks...not a single photo...not a single video. Now if you only knew what an H&K was...eh?

:lol:

eyeball · February 15, 2014

Thanks for sorting me out on that g_Bambino.....Kind of puts another spin on it does it not ?

Spin is all that any of Khadr's persecutors have ever had.

The SC and the UN sorted Omar Khadr's situation out years ago.

eyeball · February 15, 2014

In what way is our foeign policy supporting Al Queda ? or for that matter terrorism in any country?

In the way it turns a blind eye towards what's right and wrong. It doesn't know the difference because it lacks the moral and ethical background that's required.

eyeball · February 15, 2014

BTW – If we consider that at 15 years of age a person is responsible enough to be treated as a combatant then why don't we allow Canadian 15 year olds into battle?

Further to that why don't we start indoctrinating them at the age of 8?

GostHacked · February 15, 2014

So what was your claim then re: NATO supplying the FSA? You said Turkey in the past but failed to turn up any H&Ks...not a single photo...not a single video. Now if you only knew what an H&K was...eh?

You can ignore the fact NATO helped set up a base of operations within Turkey for the FSA. NATO also assisted with training. Which I have linked many times in another thread. I made the claim they are also being supplied with weapons, but not NATO weapons. That I made clear as well.

If you want to undermine another country through terrorism, then it would be best not to use NATO weapons. That would be a little obvious would it not?

I'll use Fast and Furious as an example where the US was gun running to the Mexican cartels only to find the same guns crossing back across the American border which were involved in criminal activity in the USA. The only way this program was busted because of the tracked SNs on the firearms. If they were to really do it, they would not be using American weapons. Same goes for the FSA in Syria. It would be SUPER obvious to supply the FSA with NATO weapons, would it not?

But I digress, this is about Kadhr.

DogOnPorch · February 15, 2014

Yet you still can not show evidence of NATO using non-NATO weapons to supply al-Qaeda/FSA/Rebels in Syria. Most everybody carries Russian designed weapons on BOTH sides. So, either they haven't delivered very many of these 'non-NATO' weapons or you're blowing smoke. Where are these non-NATO weapons supplied by NATO? Where did they originate from?

Khadr is typical of the so-called Canadian turned terrorist. Happens all the time...yet he's the poster boy that all the terrorist supporters support the most. Eyeball and Squid even want to take the poor fellow into their homes.

eyeball · February 15, 2014

Khadr is typical of the so-called Canadian turned terrorist. Happens all the time...

You're saying other Canadian children are still being indoctrinated just like Khadr was, all the time? Apparently we're still just as powerless when it comes to preventing parents from doing this. Oh well so long as we can punish them by throwing their children into prison.

Thank god for freedom of religion I guess.

jacee · February 15, 2014

Khadr is typical of the so-called Canadian turned terrorist. Happens all the time...yet he's the poster boy that all the terrorist supporters support the most. Eyeball and Squid even want to take the poor fellow into their homes.

Reading your link, all mentioned are adults making free choices.

Omar was neither.

Whether he now chooses freely to return to a life of war and jihad remains to be seen.

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Edited February 15, 2014 by jacee

DogOnPorch · February 15, 2014

You're saying other Canadian children are still being indoctrinated just like Khadr was, all the time? Apparently we're still just as powerless when it comes to preventing parents from doing this. Oh well so long as we can punish them by throwing their children into prison.

Thank god for freedom of religion I guess.

No...that NP article is. Perhaps they're lying about Canadians fighting in Syria. Either way, none of those are nearly as famous as your new house guest, Omar Khadr. When one of them is busy getting the boots put to him by Assad's goons in a Syrian prison, we'll see how many Canadians turn out to set the freedom fighter free, eh.

Reading your link, all mentioned are adults making free choices.

Omar was neither.

Whether he now chooses freely to return to a life of war and jihad remains to be seen.

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Omar Khadr made his choice. So did anyone fighting in or supporting either side in Syria...or Iraq...or Afghanistan...or insert Third World conflict here. Not on Canada's side...so to speak. In that region of the planet, fifteen...or whatever age Omar has been permanently stuck at by his supporters...isn't a child as viewed by Canadian law. It's really nice of you to want to endanger all Canadians...and many others...by allowing him a choice as to if he turns back to armed Jihad. How will we know? Dramatically?

I think this is more a case of people projecting their values re: fair play onto a person and ideology that holds no such values. You want that lion to play nice with the lambs...but darn it...the poor lambs just keep getting eaten.

jacee · February 15, 2014

In that region of the planet, fifteen...or whatever age Omar has been permanently stuck at by his supporters...isn't a child as viewed by Canadian law.

He was, in Canadian law.

So you just want to ignore Canadian law when it suits your ideology?

How convenient!

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DogOnPorch · February 15, 2014

He was, in Canadian law.

So you just want to ignore Canadian law when it suits your ideology?

How convenient!

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Not in Afghanistan. Afghanistan isn't a province of Canada. There, Afghanistan's laws rule the land.

jacee · February 15, 2014

Not in Afghanistan. Afghanistan isn't a province of Canada. There, Afghanistan's laws rule the land.

Irrelevant. He was never in Afghan custody. He was apprehended, charged and convicted under US law, and is now serving the remainder of his sentence under Canadian law.

DogOnPorch · February 15, 2014

Irrelevant. He was never in Afghan custody. He was apprehended, charged and convicted under US law, and is now serving the remainder of his sentence under Canadian law.

Irrelevant...he wasn't captured by Canadians, either. He was working for al-Qaeda in a war zone. He's frankly lucky to not be a greasy red spot on the desert floor. It sure would have been better for all affected parties to have simply shot him dead right there...minus Omar, of course. Instead, his victims are the dead ones...never going home. Your solution is to turn him loose in Canadian society in order to see if he'll kill again. I think your cavalier idea of public safety needs major adjusting. The funny part is that you do not.