Newfie Canadian Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 Bill formaly welcomed Canadian viewers to the program And there the honeymoon ends, most likely. Quote "If you don't believe your country should come before yourself, you can better serve your country by livin' someplace else." Stompin' Tom Connors
Stoker Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 Have you checked out the channal yet Newf? What about the factor itself? If not, your missing out........kinda like a Crossfire, Politics, Larry King, combo, with a dash of tonight show. Yeah don't know what you're missing Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
Guest eureka Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 Perhaps you should have watched the Fifth Estate instead. You might have gained some insight into the psychopaths who are Fox News. Quote
Newfie Canadian Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 The Fifth Estate show was interesting. I had no idea Ann Coulter thought Canada sent troops to Vietnam. She even told Bob McKeown he was wrong when he corrected her. That was funny. (I know some Canadians did participate in the Vietnam War, but Canada never sent troops). No Stoker, I haven't yet had the opportunity to watch Fox News or The Factor yet, although I do intend to just for an educational expereince. I have yet to be impressed by O'Reilly as I have experienced him so far, through web sites and interviews. I'm fair enough to give him a chance through his show, once I get around to watching him. Quote "If you don't believe your country should come before yourself, you can better serve your country by livin' someplace else." Stompin' Tom Connors
Stoker Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 Perhaps you should have watched the Fifth Estate instead. You might have gained some insight into the psychopaths who are Fox News. Have you watched Fox News yet? I'd hate to think you made your opinion of the network without having seen it....... In reality, and it was dissussed on (suprise, suprise) Fox News today how other news networks (namely CNN) are now losing substanial amounts of ratings to Fox News, and to be frank, it scares them. (One rating I saw recently showed Fox News taking a larger share of the market then both CNBC, CNN and MSNBC combined) Perhaps the reasons for CBC's attack show might have been rating related perhaps? I fully admit, before I started watching FOX news, I got my new from a combanation of CNN, Global and to a lesser extent CTV(not to mention, when I can, I'd watch Don Neuman's Politcs, Your Call with Kathlen Petty and the odd passonite eye on CBC) Now aside from watching the local Global news, I've got my TV glued to Fox News........and I wouldn't be suprised if this trend is very much so taking off in the rest of Canada. I totally admit that the majority of the "News Magazine" type shows on Fox have a right-wing bias (so what though?), but the qualtiy of the actual news stories and news updates is without comparison (To what I've seen, which includes BBC) They are clear, to the point, only the facts and are devoid of the anchor's (or news editor's) opinion. Fox News is a breath of fresh air, and will force Canadian news agency's to either clean-up their acts or face the same fate as the American news networks. Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
Guest eureka Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 If you had watched the Fifth Estate you might have gained an understanding of why others sre losing in the ratings to Fox. And, of why they are moving further to the right themselves. You might have also learned that Fox is raking in billions of dollars from this administration for pushing the administration line on EVERYTHING. You might have heard how Fox sends a memorandum to staff every day telling it what slant to give the news of the day. The slant being whatever the current administration requires. Watch Fox News! Not even for the educational experience. They are part of what is becoming the most dangerous government in this sad world. Quote
anticlimates Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 That's why Canada's CRTC (which is stacked with unelected liberal hacks) has banned Fox News from Canada. Sure, you know ALL ABOUT the CRTC. The CRTC banned Fox News from Canada? Can you source that, or did you fuck that one up? Similar in fashion to your "stacked" comment? Quote
anticlimates Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 Nevermind my request for a source M.Burns. I found one: CRTC approves Fox News... Just another example of a shrill hysterical rightwinger getting the story wrong. Good job M.Burns, keep the rightwing tradition alive! Quote
August1991 Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 Nevermind my request for a source M.Burns.I found one: CRTC approves Fox News... Just another example of a shrill hysterical rightwinger getting the story wrong. Good job M.Burns, keep the rightwing tradition alive! Not to quibble Anti-Climatic, but the M. Burns' post is from Sept 2004 and the CBC article is from Nov 2004. As they used to say at The Guardian, perspective is everything. Quote
Stoker Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 If you had watched the Fifth Estate you might have gained an understanding of why others sre losing in the ratings to Fox. And, of why they are moving further to the right themselves.You might have also learned that Fox is raking in billions of dollars from this administration for pushing the administration line on EVERYTHING. You might have heard how Fox sends a memorandum to staff every day telling it what slant to give the news of the day. The slant being whatever the current administration requires. Watch Fox News! Not even for the educational experience. They are part of what is becoming the most dangerous government in this sad world. Actually, I just finished watching the program........in lieu of Alan Alda on the West Wing I don't remeber hearing anything about Fox receiving any money from the government. As for the "daily slant", I did hear that, but can you tell me (the CBC show didn't) that other American and Canadian news agencies don't do the same? Did you see the interview with the formor CBS employee, Goldmen or Goldberg something and how he described the slant perpetrated by CBS and the other mainstream media? IMHO, the best parts were infact with Ann Coulter. Coca Cola came out of my nose and my cat went flying when they went from the interview with a crying Al Franken going on about his USO tours. Then when the CBC interviewer asked Coulter about it, she said something to the effect of "Did he bring up his USO tours" and roled her eyes......... WRT her mistake on the Canadian involvement in Nam, I'd like to blame it on her age there Newf, but I'm afraid it more likely just proves the line of thinking that Canada is really a non factor and is rather forgettable. Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
Newfie Canadian Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 WRT her mistake on the Canadian involvement in Nam, I'd like to blame it on her age there Newf, but I'm afraid it more likely just proves the line of thinking that Canada is really a non factor and is rather forgettable. I fear you may be somewhat right about Canada's slip over the past 15 years into mediocrity, Stoker.Having said that however, if she can't get that fact right over a fairly significant military excursion for her country, what else do she have misinformation, misperceptions or outright erroneous info about concerning Canada, which she continually bashes at almost every turn? I will admit, she appeared to have Franken pegged pretty good though. Actually, I just finished watching the program........in lieu of Alan Alda on the West WingI'm also sorry you missed the West Wing. It was an interesting show.As for the "daily slant", I did hear that, but can you tell me (the CBC show didn't) that other American and Canadian news agencies don't do the same?As I recall, there was some mention that the networks, ABC, CBS, NBC and even CNN, appear to be pandering to the current administration. That they in fact are not asking the hard questions of the Bush White House. Quote "If you don't believe your country should come before yourself, you can better serve your country by livin' someplace else." Stompin' Tom Connors
I miss Reagan Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 After watching the 5th Estate, I now understand a little better the attitudes of those on this forum towards the right, and Americans. Being fed the leftist propeganda under the protective umbrella of the CRTC it's quite remarkable that we aren't even more socialist and anti-American than we already are. To me cbc was doing exactly to Fox what they claim Fox does to others. It was a very hypocritical story. Not only that but it was very Michael Moore esque in it's cutting and pasting clips of O'Reilly lowlights. Anyway who watches Fox News knows that this was a false portrayal of what usually goes on. The crocodile tears of the poor oppressed liberals in the story also had a manipulative Michael Moore ring to it. Oddly Stuart Smally and Phil Donahue were portrayed as "the experts" and victims of the evils of the American right. At least with Fox you know what you're getting. The worst kind of Bias is the subtle kind. Quote "Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to offer therapy and understanding for our attackers. Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war." -Karl Rove
Guest eureka Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 You people make it very clear that the imposition of Fascism is not all that difficult. Simply pander to the existing prejudices of the many who do not have the courage to think for themselves and to express dissent. Quote
I miss Reagan Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 You people make it very clear that the imposition of Fascism is not all that difficult. Simply pander to the existing prejudices of the many who do not have the courage to think for themselves and to express dissent. The tactic of the desperate left: use the explosive and defaming word "fascist". Paint us as followers unable to think for ourselves, ignorant and uncapable of even reading the books we love to burn. Quote "Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to offer therapy and understanding for our attackers. Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war." -Karl Rove
Black Dog Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 But honestly, I haven't found any bias as of yet on the actual news reporting Fox's founder and president, Roger Ailes, was for decades one of the savviest and most pugnacious Republican political operatives in Washington, a veteran of the Nixon and Reagan campaigns. Ailes is most famous for his role in crafting the elder Bush's media strategy in the bruising 1988 presidential race. With Ailes' help, Bush turned a double-digit deficit in the polls into a resounding win by targeting the GOP's base of white male voters in the South and West, using red-meat themes like Michael Dukakis' "card-carrying" membership in the ACLU, his laissez-faire attitude toward flag-burning, his alleged indifference to the pledge of allegiance--and, of course, paroled felon Willie Horton. Described by fellow Bush aide Lee Atwater as having "two speeds--attack and destroy," Ailes once jocularly told a Time reporter (8/22/88): "The only question is whether we depict Willie Horton with a knife in his hand or without it." Later, as a producer for Rush Limbaugh's short-lived TV show, he was fond of calling Bill Clinton the "hippie president" and lashing out at "liberal bigots" (Washington Times, 5/11/93). It is these two sensibilities above all--right-wing talk radio and below-the-belt political campaigning--that Ailes brought with him to Fox, and his stamp is evident in all aspects of the network's programming. Fox daytime anchor David Asman is formerly of the right-wing Wall Street Journal editorial page and the conservative Manhattan Institute. The host of Fox News Sunday is Tony Snow, a conservative columnist and former chief speechwriter for the first Bush administration. Eric Breindel, previously the editorial-page editor of the right-wing New York Post, was senior vice president of Fox's parent company, News Corporation, until his death in 1998; Fox News Channel's senior vice president is John Moody, a long-time journalist known for his staunch conservative views. Fox's managing editor is Brit Hume, a veteran TV journalist and contributor to the conservative American Spectator and Weekly Standard magazines. Its top-rated talkshow is hosted by Bill O'Reilly, a columnist for the conservative WorldNetDaily.com and a registered Republican (that is, until a week before the Washington Post published an article revealing his party registration--12/13/00). The abundance of conservatives and Republicans at Fox News Channel does not seem to be a coincidence. In 1996, Andrew Kirtzman, a respected New York City cable news reporter, was interviewed for a job with Fox and says that management wanted to know what his political affiliation was. "They were afraid I was a Democrat," he told the Village Voice (10/15/96). When Kirtzman refused to tell Fox his party ID, "all employment discussion ended," according to the Voice. Catherine Crier, who was perceived as one of Fox's most prestigious and credible early hires, was an elected Republican judge before starting a career in journalism. (Crier has since moved on to Court TV.) Pundit Mara Liasson--who is touted as an on-air "liberal" by Fox executives--sits on the board of the conservative human-rights group Freedom House; New York magazine (11/17/97) cited a Fox insider as saying that Liasson assured president Roger Ailes before being hired that she was a Republican. Now this brings me to one of my new favorite television programs......ta-da.......the The O'Reilly Factor Oh good: now I can drop the pretense of taking your opinons seriously. But even Hannity has Alan Colmes there keeping him honest. Colmes is to punditry what the Washington Generals are to basketball. Not only that but it was very Michael Moore esque in it's cutting and pasting clips of O'Reilly lowlights. O'Reilly's show is one big lowlight. Quote
Stoker Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 I fear you may be somewhat right about Canada's slip over the past 15 years into mediocrity, Stoker.Having said that however, if she can't get that fact right over a fairly significant military excursion for her country, what else do she have misinformation, misperceptions or outright erroneous info about concerning Canada, which she continually bashes at almost every turn? I will admit, she appeared to have Franken pegged pretty good though. I can still understand the mistake though........I remember reading about how thousands of Canadians joined the American military during the war and the hypcroicy of Trudeau's stance on the war........he sure didn't mind Canadian ammuntion factories making a mint off the war. I wonder what the numbers of Canadians look like next to Australains........we had more people in the Gulf region during the opening stages of the second Iraq war then did Australia......... I'm also sorry you missed the West Wing. It was an interesting show. Yeah, it did look good.......Jimmy Smits was on too eh? After watching the 5th Estate, I now understand a little better the attitudes of those on this forum towards the right, and Americans. Being fed the leftist propeganda under the protective umbrella of the CRTC it's quite remarkable that we aren't even more socialist and anti-American than we already are. To me cbc was doing exactly to Fox what they claim Fox does to others. It was a very hypocritical story. Not only that but it was very Michael Moore esque in it's cutting and pasting clips of O'Reilly lowlights. Anyway who watches Fox News knows that this was a false portrayal of what usually goes on. The crocodile tears of the poor oppressed liberals in the story also had a manipulative Michael Moore ring to it. Oddly Stuart Smally and Phil Donahue were portrayed as "the experts" and victims of the evils of the American right. At least with Fox you know what you're getting. The worst kind of Bias is the subtle kind. Well Duh The CBC has a left-wing bias.....whats next......smoking is bad for you I just sensed during the entire piece, a sense of "fear" on the part of the film makers.........in that they seem to understand that they won't have a monoploy on news in Canada for long. The tactic of the desperate left: use the explosive and defaming word "fascist". Paint us as followers unable to think for ourselves, ignorant and uncapable of even reading the books we love to burn. Are you going to the book burning next week IMR? If so, I'll bring some extra Hot Dogs and pop And Black Dog, have you watched Fox News yet? Or do you let others make-up your mind on any given subject? Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
I miss Reagan Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 QUOTE After watching the 5th Estate, I now understand a little better the attitudes of those on this forum towards the right, and Americans. Being fed the leftist propeganda under the protective umbrella of the CRTC it's quite remarkable that we aren't even more socialist and anti-American than we already are. To me cbc was doing exactly to Fox what they claim Fox does to others. It was a very hypocritical story. Not only that but it was very Michael Moore esque in it's cutting and pasting clips of O'Reilly lowlights. Anyway who watches Fox News knows that this was a false portrayal of what usually goes on. The crocodile tears of the poor oppressed liberals in the story also had a manipulative Michael Moore ring to it. Oddly Stuart Smally and Phil Donahue were portrayed as "the experts" and victims of the evils of the American right. At least with Fox you know what you're getting. The worst kind of Bias is the subtle kind. Well Duh The CBC has a left-wing bias.....whats next......smoking is bad for you I know not groundbreaking insight. But the point is that it was very cleverly put together, if you don't know any better you believe it. That is what is so dangerous about it is the facade of objectivity and fairness. I just sensed during the entire piece, a sense of "fear" on the part of the film makers.........in that they seem to understand that they won't have a monoploy on news in Canada for long. Ya their fear seemed obvious when they tried to connect sexual harrasment with that conservative radio woman in vancouver. Are you going to the book burning next week IMR? If so, I'll bring some extra Hot Dogs and pop Lol. I'm just excited that the trains will soon be running on time . I'm not sure which books I want to burn since I'm illerate. Perhaps I'll just turn on Fox and listen to what our fascist leader O'Reilly tells me to burn . Quote "Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to offer therapy and understanding for our attackers. Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war." -Karl Rove
Black Dog Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 And Black Dog, have you watched Fox News yet? Or do you let others make-up your mind on any given subject? I watched Fox News a bit down in the States. It's similar to watching the chimpanzees at the zoo, only with slighly more masturbation and feces throwing. Ya their fear seemed obvious when they tried to connect sexual harrasment with that conservative radio woman in vancouver. You mean Rachel Marsden, who filed a sex harrasment suit against her university swim coach, the allegations of which were later revealed to be false? The same woman who was also found guilty of harassing an ex-boyfriend last October? Link. The tactic of the desperate left: use the explosive and defaming word "fascist". Paint us as followers unable to think for ourselves, ignorant and uncapable of even reading the books we love to burn. It's ths kind of trivialization ("It coud never happen here!") that provides fertile soil for fascism to take root. Quote
I miss Reagan Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 I watched Fox News a bit down in the States. It's similar to watching the chimpanzees at the zoo, only with slighly more masturbation and feces throwing. Black Dog, you're tough to take seriously when you make comments like that. The emotionally inflamatory name calling doesn't help, although I know it's just an attempt to marginalize conservatives. Besides Christian fundamentalist, I think your favorite word is fascism. I you are the guy who consistently jumps on others for hyperbole tsk tsk. Quote "Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to offer therapy and understanding for our attackers. Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war." -Karl Rove
Black Dog Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 Black Dog, you're tough to take seriously when you make comments like that. The emotionally inflamatory name calling doesn't help, although I know it's just an attempt to marginalize conservatives I actually have a lot of respect for true conservative like our very own Hugo, people who esposue a classical liberal laissez faire philosophy. But what I can't stand are lying, power-mad warmongers like the Republican Party, their shrill, fawning disciples in the corporate media who would probably condemn Christ as a "tax and spend socialist" if he were around today. Besides Christian fundamentalist, I think your favorite word is fascism. Well, given that we're living next door to a country where fascism is on the rise, I think it's time we brought the word back into its proper context. Quote
theloniusfleabag Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 IMR, In the Calgary herald today, there is an article entitled;"Turner says Fox Bush Propaganda", the Article reads... "CNN founder Ted Turner has called the Fox television network a "propaganda voice" of President George W. Bush's administration and compared Fox News Channel's popularity to Nazi dictator Adolph Hitler's Germany before the Second World War."It seems Black Dog isn't the only one not afraid to call a spade a spade. Not sure how far left you think Ted Turner is, but if you see him as 'wayyyy left' of you, I must shudder. Quote Would the Special Olympics Committee disqualify kids born with flippers from the swimming events?
Stoker Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 IMR,In the Calgary herald today, there is an article entitled;"Turner says Fox Bush Propaganda", the Article reads...QUOTE "CNN founder Ted Turner has called the Fox television network a "propaganda voice" of President George W. Bush's administration and compared Fox News Channel's popularity to Nazi dictator Adolph Hitler's Germany before the Second World War." It seems Black Dog isn't the only one not afraid to call a spade a spade. Not sure how far left you think Ted Turner is, but if you see him as 'wayyyy left' of you, I must shudder. His comments were actually discussed on the Factor last night.........the man's truley grasping at straws......his network is being buried alive in all the ratings by Fox, so wouldn't it make sense for him to try and discredit a competitor? (Is he still married to Hanoi Jane?) The Funny thing though, I have not yet heard of Fox calling down the liberal media...... Does anybody know of a way to find Canadian TV ratings? I'd be very intrested to see were Fox news places up here so far. Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
Shakeyhands Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 The Funny thing though, I have not yet heard of Fox calling down the liberal media...... You're just being funny right? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Black Dog Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 his network is being buried alive in all the ratings by Fox, so wouldn't it make sense for him to try and discredit a competitor? Turner doesn't own CNN anymore (hasn't for years). AOL Time Warner does. The Funny thing though, I have not yet heard of Fox calling down the liberal media I thought you said you'd been watching FoxNews. Quote
I miss Reagan Posted January 27, 2005 Report Posted January 27, 2005 IMR,In the Calgary herald today, there is an article entitled;"Turner says Fox Bush Propaganda", the Article reads... "CNN founder Ted Turner has called the Fox television network a "propaganda voice" of President George W. Bush's administration and compared Fox News Channel's popularity to Nazi dictator Adolph Hitler's Germany before the Second World War."It seems Black Dog isn't the only one not afraid to call a spade a spade. Not sure how far left you think Ted Turner is, but if you see him as 'wayyyy left' of you, I must shudder. Thankyou for addressing me simply as IMR . Ya I don't pay much attention to Ted Turner. I know where he stands on issues. There's no doubt that Ted Turner is a dyed in the wool lefty. As reported in The Providence Journal, the AOL Time-Warner vice president said the suicide bombers were "brave men" (if "a little nuts"), President George Bush is "an oil man" and "another Julius Caesar," and "The reason that the World Trade Center got hit is because there are a lot of people living in abject poverty out there who don't have any hope for a better life." Jane Fonda's ex suffers from what might be called political Tourette's syndrome. His brain lacks a self-censoring mechanism. More often than not, what's on his mind is what comes out of his mouth. On Ash Wednesday last year, he ridiculed Catholics with ashes on their forehead in the CNN newsroom. ("What are you? A bunch of Jesus freaks?") In 1997, he observed that the suicide of 39 members of the Heaven's Gate cult was "a good way to get rid of a few nuts." Turner has called Christianity "a religion for losers," said abortion is the only alternative to environmental disaster, praised Fidel Castro and told Polish jokes at the pope's expense. Ted Turner Come to think of it you're probably right, BD and Ted Turner probably have a lot in common. Quote "Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to offer therapy and understanding for our attackers. Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war." -Karl Rove
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