On Guard for Thee Posted February 7, 2014 Report Posted February 7, 2014 PIK! Has something happened to Senators??? How did you find out about this closed, hidden and surreptitious action/event? Do you have any links... I haven't heard/read anything about this... anything at all! Yes of course, announcing it in a caucus meeting and then on national tv certainly shows he was totally hiding the decision. Quote
cybercoma Posted February 7, 2014 Report Posted February 7, 2014 It's not a unilateral decision if you make a decision then tell everyone about it. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 8, 2014 Report Posted February 8, 2014 It's not a unilateral decision if you make a decision then tell everyone about it. It has certainly left Harper grappling. 8 years doing nothing but talking, and thern the young pup blows you out of the water. Quote
cybercoma Posted February 8, 2014 Report Posted February 8, 2014 Because wreckless actions without consultation, purpose or reason are the signs of a quality leader? I know the masses are really happy someone's doing something for the sake of doing things, but thankfully we don't govern by the lowest common denominator. I expect more out of policy makers, I don't want them making any decision; I want them making the right ones. Quote
waldo Posted February 8, 2014 Report Posted February 8, 2014 Because wreckless actions without consultation, purpose or reason are the signs of a quality leader? I know the masses are really happy someone's doing something for the sake of doing things, but thankfully we don't govern by the lowest common denominator. I expect more out of policy makers, I don't want them making any decision; I want them making the right ones. since you're commenting along the lines of the other thread, a missing perspective (from that same thread): Moreover, he voted down the non-partisan senate bill of the NDP. This is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. smoke & mirrors? That NDP motion does not speak to removing Senators from party affiliation... and aside from 2 particulars, is most general. Setting aside, that most generalized NDP motion, Trudeau (some 4 months later, or so) comes along and complies with one of the 2 specific particulars of that NDP motion, and you raise concern... you call it "smoke & mirrors" for Trudeau to comply with a part of your favoured NDP motion? per Hansard, (your favoured NDP motion): moved: That, in the opinion of this House, urgent steps must be taken to improve accountability in the Senate, and, therefore, this House call for the introduction of immediate measures to end Senators' partisan activities, including participation in Caucus meetings, and to limit Senators' travel allowances to those activities clearly and directly related to parliamentary business. Quote
PIK Posted February 13, 2014 Author Report Posted February 13, 2014 ''The budget will balance itself''. LOL OMG This puppet has no clue. Even kinsella is washing his hands of this lad. Nothing has changes inside liberal headquarters. To them you are all stupid and just by picking justin as leader everyone will flock to him and kiss his feet. He is a walking attack ad, harper just has to sit back and let him go. lol Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
PIK Posted February 13, 2014 Author Report Posted February 13, 2014 Very quiet , just like the media party. Or are people to embarressed to try and defend this . Or do you believe in fairies and majic pixie dust. LOL Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Boges Posted February 13, 2014 Report Posted February 13, 2014 JTs fiscal policy sounds a lot like Belinda Stronach and her "Bake a bigger pie" analogy. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 14, 2014 Report Posted February 14, 2014 Very quiet , just like the media party. Or are people to embarressed to try and defend this . Or do you believe in fairies and majic pixie dust. LOL Who needs to say anything, Harper won't let the finance minister answer questions in the house the day after he delivers a budget. The wheels are coming off the Harper bus and he has lost his previous image of a dictator to one now of merely a spectator. There is caucus revolt and I bet a lot of chatter behind the scenes of leadership. Oh boy! Quote
PIK Posted February 14, 2014 Author Report Posted February 14, 2014 And it seems he is cheap also, by not giving to his own party. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
waldo Posted February 14, 2014 Report Posted February 14, 2014 And it seems he is cheap also, by not giving to his own party. you really are scared, hey PIK! Here, read it again... Quote
Keepitsimple Posted February 21, 2014 Report Posted February 21, 2014 It's not really about Trudeau - it's about the backroom boys that have pushed him forward. Left to his own devices, Trudeau would never have had the ambition to be PM - after all - it's hard work. Remember - until his hat was taken from him and thrown into the ring, Trudeau had done absolutely nothing to prepare himself to be a professional politician, let alone leader of a party and potential Prime Minister. Nothing at all has changed about the Liberal Party - the old backroom machine is still there, thirsting for power - and the entitlements that go with it. So what do we have? The same old Hope and Change schtick that Obama suckered Americans with. Hopefully, like Dorothy in Oz, Canadians will be smart enough to look behind the curtain. Quote Back to Basics
eyeball Posted February 22, 2014 Report Posted February 22, 2014 You mean like the old hope and reform shctick that Harper and his backroom machine suckered their base with? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 23, 2014 Report Posted February 23, 2014 We shall see where the polls go after the Liberal convention. I think Trudeau's speech was right on the mark. He got in a couple good giggles at Harper and he didn't have to get nasty to do it. Granted he didn't reveal a lot of specifics, but he still has ample time for that . And when you are already ahead in the polls, you bide your time. Quote
jbg Posted February 23, 2014 Report Posted February 23, 2014 We shall see where the polls go after the Liberal convention. I think Trudeau's speech was right on the mark. He got in a couple good giggles at Harper and he didn't have to get nasty to do it. Granted he didn't reveal a lot of specifics, but he still has ample time for that . And when you are already ahead in the polls, you bide your time.Is there any place to view it online so I can make up my own mind? I'd rather not just criticize before watching, reading or hearing. I did watch his interview with Mansbridge and was underwhelmed. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jacee Posted February 23, 2014 Report Posted February 23, 2014 We shall see where the polls go after the Liberal convention. I think Trudeau's speech was right on the mark. He got in a couple good giggles at Harper and he didn't have to get nasty to do it. Granted he didn't reveal a lot of specifics, but he still has ample time for that . And when you are already ahead in the polls, you bide your time. An opinion: http://www.vancouversun.com/touch/story.html?id=9540120 It was, rhetorically, a tour de force. It left Conservative and New Democrat partisans on Twitter sputtering with fury, sensing theyd been somehow outflanked. And it showed that, whatever other attributes Trudeau may have, whatever policies he eventually puts forth, he has become a dangerous political orator. Political tactician that he may be, Harper has never shown much 'style', nor much interest in Canadians who don't vote for him. Trudeau might catch the wave of Canadians who are fed up with divisive tactics, by painting Harper (not conservative voters) as the problem. . Quote
Argus Posted February 23, 2014 Report Posted February 23, 2014 Political tactician that he may be, Harper has never shown much 'style', nor much interest in Canadians who don't vote for him. Trudeau might catch the wave of Canadians who are fed up with divisive tactics, by painting Harper (not conservative voters) as the problem. . Problem with that is the Liberal party invented divisive tactics, and have shown no inclination to abandon them. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted February 23, 2014 Report Posted February 23, 2014 Problem with that is the Liberal party invented divisive tactics, and have shown no inclination to abandon them. You could expand on that claim ... Quote
Boges Posted February 23, 2014 Report Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) You could expand on that claim ...See 2006 attack ads. HIDDEN AGENDA! Looks like the Libs want docs to be able to kill us. Good times! Edited February 23, 2014 by Boges Quote
jbg Posted February 23, 2014 Report Posted February 23, 2014 You could expand on that claim ... The 2004 and 2006 campaigns were notorious. But I don't know if that's out of the ordinary, done by all parties or unique to those elections. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Boges Posted February 23, 2014 Report Posted February 23, 2014 The 2004 and 2006 campaigns were notorious. But I don't know if that's out of the ordinary, done by all parties or unique to those elections. Tanks in streets. Quote
jbg Posted February 23, 2014 Report Posted February 23, 2014 Tanks in streets. I remember. I also remember the Canadian flag subliminally fading into red, white and blue. But what I was asking was whether other parties were pulling this stunt, and whether it went other on in other elections. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Argus Posted February 23, 2014 Report Posted February 23, 2014 You could expand on that claim ... Oh you could go back a long way for that, to when the Liberals ruled in Quebec, and had one message for them and another message for English Canada. The one for Quebec was basically intended to tell them they weren't safe in Canada without Liberals there to protect them from les anglais. It really came out in the nineties when they portrayed the Reform Party as some sort of sinister group of ignorant cowboys from "out there" who had no right to rule in Ottawa, and who 'weren't like us'. In fact, Trudeau junior mouthed the same sorts of things not very long ago. SO now the liberals had one message in the west (we love and respect you!), one in central canada (vote for us to keep those dirty rednecks out of power!), one in the Maritimes (we'll give you as much pogey as you want!) and one in Quebec (we're YOUR party les amis!). That's the way the party has run ever since. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted February 24, 2014 Report Posted February 24, 2014 Harper's credibility problem continues to grow, especially with the recent "income splitting" screw up. When the finance minister and the PM are reading from different scripts, and the former seems "chained" to his seat in QP the day after he delivers a budget, it sure looks like bungling to me. But the bungling part isn't the worst, what is worse is that it appears obvious that Harper's little speech on the lawn in Saancich was nothing more than a load of BS meant only to sleazily capture a few votes. A point certainly not lost on JT at the convention. Quote
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