Should Justin Trudeau resign?

PIK · April 2, 2014

A dolt who intends to get elected with style over substance. I don't think this was off the cuff. I think it was planned to enhance his image among certain voters. Sure it will tick off those who think the word has no place in public discourse, but most of them probably wouldn't vote for him anyway. Younger voters probably won't care, and many, especially women, will think it make him seem stronger and edgier.

It also showed that he thinks he is god's gift to women and how he is so in to himself. . And the sun reporter that asked him about the middle class he was talking about and his response showed how he is in over his head. He can't answer anything unless he has been told the answer. But I think now people are starting to see what a empty head he is.

Edited April 2, 2014 by PIK

Argus · April 2, 2014

It also showed that he thinks he is god's gift to women and how he is so in to himself. . And the sun reporter that asked him about the middle class he was talking about and his response showed how he is in over his head. He can't answer anything unless he has been told the answer. But I think now people are starting to see what a empty head he is.

Politicians rarely fail by underestimating the level of gullibility of the electorate.

Boges · April 4, 2014

Apparently JT said that the Middleclass means "Going Paycheque to Paycheque". That's an idiotic definition.

First of all, you can go paycheque to paycheque and make a very good living. Conversely you can live within your means while making a modest income but a tax hike might make that more difficult.

JT should really stop trying to relate to the "average" Canadian. He's doing a cruddy job.

Earlier he said that Middleclass means people who work for their income rather than having their assets work for them. What about those that use their own personal real estate purchase to help invest in the future. Is anyone that puts money away for an RRSP immediately not Middleclass?

Keepitsimple · April 4, 2014

I think it's best left to an honest self-evaluation. If you don't think you're poor....and you don't think you're rich.....then chances are, you're middle class!

Edited April 4, 2014 by Keepitsimple

Boges · April 4, 2014

I think it's best left to an honest self-evaluation. If you don't think you're poor....and you don't think you're rich.....then chances are, you're middle class!

I heard a study that says 90% of the population thinks they're middle class.

Unless you take great pleasure in living off the public teet, I'd assume you label yourself as being being middle class even when you're not.

A good objective floor would be if people made a "Living Wage". There are questions that can be answered to determine if you make a Living Wage. Mostly pertaining with the idea that you have a disposable income and hobbies. Then again those that have children that they can't afford or are mired in debt may make a Living Wage and be very lower class.

The ceiling is a bit harder to define. People who's household makes above $100,000 is a good place to start but it's by no means a benchmark. I'm sure there are people that make a few hundred thousand a year that would say that they "Don't make a lot."

The Middle Class was a lot easier to define when there was a distinguishable Upper and Lower Class to make a comparison too.

All political parties want to court the Middle Class so when a leader like JT says that's his priority it's easily scoffable.

In Ontario we have a government that has backed off punitive transit taxes because the NDP refused to pass the budget with those taxes included. It's rumoured that instead they'll go for an income tax hike of people making above $150,000. Of course not enough people make that wage for it to really make a difference in the government's coffers.

eyeball · April 4, 2014

I fail to see how any honest definition of the term middle class can be determined on economic terms alone. What's required is an honest self-evaluation of one's happiness and an index that more accurately captures and expresses the nation's gross sense of well being. It seems to to me it's only then that the real rubber of the issue - the purpose of trying to classify well being - will ever hit the road. The government could then measure the country's gross national happiness like it does GDP when trying to make the world a better place for all. If anything our economic well being should be of secondary importance.

I suppose if a high level of unhappiness that someone's well being or happiness should even matter to the government in the first place we could use a sourpuss index to ensure the government incorporates an appropriate level of dissatisfaction into it's policies.

Keepitsimple · April 4, 2014

My Mom is a senior - 94 years old - living in Montreal......her income is about $14,000 a year. She lives in a nice apartment that is somewhat subsidized and caters to retired people who do not require assistance. $900 a month pays for everything - cable, phone, electricity, and a full meal at lunch everyday (Tablecloths and a menu to choose from). She has some savings that she can draw on for one-time expenses. She would be classified as living in poverty but she's as happy as a clam and wants for nothing. In summary, I have more problems with how people are defined as poor or as many of the hand-wringing media would put it - living in poverty.....I've seen stats as high as 1 out of 8 children are living in poverty. Outlandish claims that serve only to hinder programs that could be developed for the truly needy. And what's with measuring the incomes for 15, 16, and 17 year olds?

WestCoastRunner · April 5, 2014

It also showed that he thinks he is god's gift to women and how he is so in to himself. . And the sun reporter that asked him about the middle class he was talking about and his response showed how he is in over his head. He can't answer anything unless he has been told the answer. But I think now people are starting to see what a empty head he is.

Gosh PIK, sounds like you are jealous. Seriously, you think that he feels he is god's gift to women and is so into himself. Can you come up with a more meaningful assessment about him. I'm not sure why you keep going on about him and his attraction to women with vagina's that have no brains. It is getting tiresome.

PIK · April 5, 2014

Gosh PIK, sounds like you are jealous. Seriously, you think that he feels he is god's gift to women and is so into himself. Can you come up with a more meaningful assessment about him. I'm not sure why you keep going on about him and his attraction to women with vagina's that have no brains. It is getting tiresome.

LOL I just can't believe peole would even think of giving this spoiled rich kid a shot at leading this country .He has no real life experience in anything And his comments over the last few months proves that he just does not get it. He has never wanted or ever worried about his future, he is set for life. He has no real life experience and I am not going to trust him with anything. Ezra nails it, with his article ''World according to justin'' This kid is just plain dangerous.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/04/04/the-world-according-to-justin-trudeau

PIK · April 5, 2014

And of course his BS about the middleclass and what does he even know about the middle class, I doubt if he really knows anybody in the middle class.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/04/03/are-you-in-justin-trudeaus-middle-class-not-if-youre-retired

And what is worse then trudeau running , is people that would vote for him, thinking he could do some good for the country. There is a very nasty palnet out there and the protected one will be eaten alive, by the dictators that he so much loves.

Edited April 5, 2014 by PIK

cybercoma · April 9, 2014

I fail to see how any honest definition of the term middle class can be determined on economic terms alone.

Because class IS an economic term?

eyeball · April 9, 2014

Because there's more to the world than money.

PIK · April 24, 2014

So justin is still sticking to the lie he started about the poor middle class and when stats show the opposite ,he still keeps repeating the same lie. And when the sun reporter trieds to question him, he ran away like usual. What a scarted littlle man he is, and a outright liar. Then we have his speech about every nomination process will be open and fair, more lies and he does it with a straight face . All the BS people said about harper is coming true for trudeau. The man can't be trusted and he certainly has a hidden adgenda.

Edited April 24, 2014 by PIK

guyser · April 24, 2014

What a scarted littlle man he is,

Says the guy under the bed cowering at the thought of Justin being his leader.

PIK · April 24, 2014

Says the guy under the bed cowering at the thought of Justin being his leader.

You mean bent over the toilette puking at the thought of this great country being taken over by a spoiled child that has no idea what the rest of us have to deal with. Trudeau may win and if he does ,we will have the last laugh when he royally screws it up, and he will. And that law suit could get nasty for him, it is turning off the women voter.

Edited April 24, 2014 by PIK

guyser · April 24, 2014

You mean bent over the toilette puking at the thought of this great country being taken over by a spoiled child that has no idea what the rest of us have to deal with.

Versus the guy who grew up in poverty , in a hard scrabble existence...all the while living in tony Etobicoke neighbourhood of Richmond Gardens?

The guy that never had a real job ? That guy? (after all that is and has been your and the Cons mantra)

Trudeau may win and if he does ,we will have the last laugh when he royally screws it up, and he will.

He may well, anyone may well.

But if they dont?

Youll just have to grit your teeth and renovate the underside of the bed.

On Guard for Thee · April 24, 2014

You mean bent over the toilette puking at the thought of this great country being taken over by a spoiled child that has no idea what the rest of us have to deal with. Trudeau may win and if he does ,we will have the last laugh when he royally screws it up, and he will. And that law suit could get nasty for him, it is turning off the women voter.

Trudeau actually has more experience in government than Harper had when he got voted in, and, if you're so against leaders lyeing to us, why the hell are you supporting Harper?

Keepitsimple · April 24, 2014

Trudeau actually has more experience in government than Harper had when he got voted in, and, if you're so against leaders lyeing to us, why the hell are you supporting Harper?

Lets clear that up. Harper was an MP for 8 years before he became Prime Minister in 2006. Justin Trudeau has been an MP since 2008. Not that it's relevant - it's what you actually do that matters. Harper has always been heavily involved in Policy....Trudeau on the other hand has been involved in..........?

guyser · April 24, 2014

Trudeau on the other hand has been involved in..........?

Im an Prof Engineers son. I know a ton about engineering bridges and buildings.

Never took a course either.

There are plenty of things our moms and dads teach us by merely discussing topics around the dinner table.

I would imagine Harper knows the oil business.....right ? And why he would know?

waldo · April 24, 2014

Lets clear that up. Harper was an MP for 8 years before he became Prime Minister in 2006. Justin Trudeau has been an MP since 2008. Not that it's relevant - it's what you actually do that matters. Harper has always been heavily involved in Policy....Trudeau on the other hand has been involved in..........?

so..... by your expressed criteria, Harper has a year's edge... notwithstanding the National Citizen Coalition days, hey? Oh wait, what kind of policy was he advocating there?

Edited April 24, 2014 by waldo

On Guard for Thee · April 24, 2014

Lets clear that up. Harper was an MP for 8 years before he became Prime Minister in 2006. Justin Trudeau has been an MP since 2008. Not that it's relevant - it's what you actually do that matters. Harper has always been heavily involved in Policy....Trudeau on the other hand has been involved in..........?

Let's clear it up: Harper had an easy ride as mp for 4 years in Calgary but then resigned. After that he and Trudeau both served 5 years before achieving party leadership. Previously Harper was a university dropout, an Alberta oil company office boy, then back to school, then into politics at the feet of Preston Manning. Trudeau worked in various jobs and causes from coast to coast in Canada and abroad. Harper stayed in Alberta. Trudeau actually has more degrees from highly accredited universities in the east, and the west. Harper stayed in Alberta. I stick to my guns, Trudeau has a much more varied experience, both in and out of politics.

Edited April 24, 2014 by On Guard for Thee

cybercoma · April 24, 2014

So justin is still sticking to the lie he started about the poor middle class and when stats show the opposite

Actually, the article that I posted about the Finance Canada report says exactly what Trudeau said.

WestCoastRunner · April 25, 2014

Trudeau worked in various jobs and causes from coast to coast in Canada and abroad. Trudeau actually has more degrees from highly accredited universities in the east, Trudeau has a much more varied experience, both in and out of politics.

And there is more. Trudeau has more experience in the real world than Stephen Harper. As noted above he was a teacher and he grew up enjoying the benefits of his name as well as being a prisoner of such a famous name and being exposed to hatred because of his name. He was able to enjoy the wide world his parents offered, including travel, meeting people with brilliant minds and let's not forget the endless political talks that must have been shared in that household.

And most importantly, he is well liked.