socialist Posted November 30, 2013 Report Posted November 30, 2013 I came across this survey. It's another example of how Leader Trudeau and the LPC are trying to get the input of average Canadians by finding out what concerns Canadians the most. I enjoyed filling this out. The LPC is making me feel like my input is valuable. I used to vote for Layton, but I'm pretty sure Trudeau will get my vote in 2015. He is uniting he left. http://www.liberal.ca/survey/ Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Shady Posted November 30, 2013 Report Posted November 30, 2013 I came across this survey. It's another example of how Leader Trudeau and the LPC are trying to get the input of average Canadians by finding out what concerns Canadians the most. I enjoyed filling this out. The LPC is making me feel like my input is valuable. I used to vote for Layton, but I'm pretty sure Trudeau will get my vote in 2015. He is uniting he left. http://www.liberal.ca/survey/ It's sad that they need surveys to find out what concerns Canadians the most. It shouldn't really be that hard to figure out. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 30, 2013 Report Posted November 30, 2013 They should do what the Conservatives do, eh Shady? Just tell Canadians what concerns them. Quote
Shady Posted November 30, 2013 Report Posted November 30, 2013 Jobs and the economy are the number one issue. And I didn't even need a survey! It ain't rocket science Justin. Quote
Argus Posted November 30, 2013 Report Posted November 30, 2013 What concerns me is their leader appears to be shallow, callow and completely out of his depth in dealing with important matters of state. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
overthere Posted November 30, 2013 Report Posted November 30, 2013 "He is uniting he left." Good for him. he is entirely welcome to the left. It won't get him elected, because the majority of Canadians are smack in the middle of the politicial spectrum. And I agree that he is out of his depth, and would be a disastrous choice as PM. I am not trying to be unkind when I say there have been no indications that Trudeau is smart enough to run the economy. And that job is by far the most important element of being PM. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
socialist Posted November 30, 2013 Author Report Posted November 30, 2013 "He is uniting he left." Good for him. he is entirely welcome to the left. It won't get him elected, because the majority of Canadians are smack in the middle of the politicial spectrum. And I agree that he is out of his depth, and would be a disastrous choice as PM. I am not trying to be unkind when I say there have been no indications that Trudeau is smart enough to run the economy. And that job is by far the most important element of being PM. Look at how well The Liberals did in the recent by-elections. The CPC barely won a seat in MB that they have easily held for 55 years. Trudeau WILL BE the next PM whether you can fathom it or not. There are other issues more important than just the economy. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
jacee Posted November 30, 2013 Report Posted November 30, 2013 It's sad that they need surveys to find out what concerns Canadians the most. It shouldn't really be that hard to figure out.Sometimes I wonder if you really understand democracy, Shady. Or maybe you just don't like it. Quote
socialist Posted November 30, 2013 Author Report Posted November 30, 2013 Sometimes I wonder if you really understand democracy, Shady. Or maybe you just don't like it. Most people on this site don't understand democracy. I'm glad Trudeau will bring democracy back to Canada. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Michael Hardner Posted December 1, 2013 Report Posted December 1, 2013 For the record, I think every political party uses surveys and focus groups and has for years. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
socialist Posted December 1, 2013 Author Report Posted December 1, 2013 For the record, I think every political party uses surveys and focus groups and has for years. But the LPC is being more open about it and encouraging ALL citizens to take part and have their voices heard. This is how true democracy works Michael. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Shady Posted December 1, 2013 Report Posted December 1, 2013 But the LPC is being more open about it and encouraging ALL citizens to take part and have their voices heard. This is how true democracy works Michael. No, because it's not a scientific survey. People can vote multiple times and skew the results of the poll. Simply put, this is an exercise in political propaganda, in which you've eaten up hook, line and sinker! Quote
Michael Hardner Posted December 1, 2013 Report Posted December 1, 2013 But the LPC is being more open about it and encouraging ALL citizens to take part and have their voices heard. This is how true democracy works Michael. Ok, well I disagree. Politically I should be closest to the Liberals, however I despise their propensity for playing the centre square for the win over and over again, and making politically safe and short sighted decisions. For example, the Red Book was something they ran on in the early 90s, then discarded (along with other promises) as soon as they had power. If you have evidence to the contrary you should submit it, instead of submitting to us a survey process that all parties use - as proof of the LPC being somehow different. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
socialist Posted December 1, 2013 Author Report Posted December 1, 2013 Ok, well I disagree. Politically I should be closest to the Liberals, however I despise their propensity for playing the centre square for the win over and over again, and making politically safe and short sighted decisions. For example, the Red Book was something they ran on in the early 90s, then discarded (along with other promises) as soon as they had power. If you have evidence to the contrary you should submit it, instead of submitting to us a survey process that all parties use - as proof of the LPC being somehow different. What was the Red Book? Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
bleeding heart Posted December 1, 2013 Report Posted December 1, 2013 But the LPC is being more open about it and encouraging ALL citizens to take part and have their voices heard. This is how true democracy works Michael. I don't quite see why you think the Liberals in general, and Trudeau in particular, are such great shakes. I really don't get it. In recent years, I have generally voted NDP (though I voted Conservative in the last Provincial election); but I don't harbor, I hope, too many illusions about the parties....and less so about specific leaders. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
socialist Posted December 1, 2013 Author Report Posted December 1, 2013 I don't quite see why you think the Liberals in general, and Trudeau in particular, are such great shakes. I really don't get it. In recent years, I have generally voted NDP (though I voted Conservative in the last Provincial election); but I don't harbor, I hope, too many illusions about the parties....and less so about specific leaders. Trudeau's Liberals ran clean campaigns in the recent by-elections. He didn't resort to phony attack ads, and didn't answer hateful attack ads with attack ads. I find Trudeau refreshing in today's political theatre, which seems to be more unethical by the day. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
socialist Posted December 1, 2013 Author Report Posted December 1, 2013 Ok, well I disagree. Politically I should be closest to the Liberals, however I despise their propensity for playing the centre square for the win over and over again, and making politically safe and short sighted decisions. For example, the Red Book was something they ran on in the early 90s, then discarded (along with other promises) as soon as they had power. If you have evidence to the contrary you should submit it, instead of submitting to us a survey process that all parties use - as proof of the LPC being somehow different. Michael you have to agree that Justin has invigorated the Liberal Party. He seems to be a quick leaner and is holding the CPC responsible for their actions. He's only going to get better as he gains experience. I foresee a long run for the Liberals with trudeau at the helm. You know lots about politics and I c=don't see how you can disagree with me. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
PIK Posted December 2, 2013 Report Posted December 2, 2013 Look at how well The Liberals did in the recent by-elections. The CPC barely won a seat in MB that they have easily held for 55 years. Trudeau WILL BE the next PM whether you can fathom it or not. There are other issues more important than just the economy. Like what, tell us. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Michael Hardner Posted December 2, 2013 Report Posted December 2, 2013 What was the Red Book? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Book_(Liberal_Party_of_Canada) Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted December 2, 2013 Report Posted December 2, 2013 1. Michael you have to agree that Justin has invigorated the Liberal Party. 2. He's only going to get better as he gains experience. 3. I foresee a long run for the Liberals with trudeau at the helm. 1. Yes, as evidenced by the polls. 2. Of course. 3. It's too early to tell. What is this prediction based on ? Likeability ? That isn't enough IMO. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
socialist Posted December 2, 2013 Author Report Posted December 2, 2013 1. Yes, as evidenced by the polls. 2. Of course. 3. It's too early to tell. What is this prediction based on ? Likeability ? That isn't enough IMO. But it is enough for a lot of voters. Many who have never voted will make an effort to vote Liberal because of Trudeau. When he admitted to smoking marijuana many people were seeing Trudeau as a regular, ordinary citizen. That's what I personally like about him. He's down to earth and easy to relate to. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
bleeding heart Posted December 8, 2013 Report Posted December 8, 2013 That's what I personally like about him. He's down to earth and easy to relate to. Exactly what Ford Nation has repeatedly said. I don't find this notion especially comforting. And I also have problems with the way the opposite, as criticism, has been applied to Harper. I'm no fan of Harper, but the idea that he's ":too cold" and "not likeable enough"...and that, horror of horrors, shook his son's hand!....I've always hated this approach to determining how good or bad a leader is. Ford is "down to earth"? Who gives a rat's behind? He's also an elitist, tantrum-throwing, screeching jokester of a little criminal. Harper is "too cold"? Again, who cares? He has many flaws, and that isn't one of them. And so it goes with Trudeau. I don't care if he's "likeable on a personal level." And if that can get him elected...well then, perfect. Awesome. Just what Canada deserves. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Jimmy Wilson Posted December 8, 2013 Report Posted December 8, 2013 To that point about the vacuous "likeability" stuff... I've noticed that Liberal voters have taken the position that any questioning of "Justin" (note the use of the 1st person) is "mean spirited" and "gutter politics"... This seems to be an excercise in debate nullification and insulation from actually having definable positions... Quote "Neo-conservativism,I think,is really the aggrandizement of selfishness.It's about me,only me,and after that,me.It's about only investing in things that produce a huge profit for yourself.It's NOT about society as a whole and it tends to be very insensitive to those people,who for one reason or another,have fallen beneath the poverty line and it's engaged in presumptions that these people are all poor because they are lazy.Neo-conservatives believe that fundamentally..." Senator Hugh Segal
BubberMiley Posted December 8, 2013 Report Posted December 8, 2013 To that point about the vacuous "likeability" stuff... I've noticed that Liberal voters have taken the position that any questioning of "Justin" (note the use of the 1st person)... That's the third person. First name though. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Michael Hardner Posted December 8, 2013 Report Posted December 8, 2013 To that point about the vacuous "likeability" stuff... I've noticed that Liberal voters have taken the position that any questioning of "Justin" (note the use of the 1st person) is "mean spirited" and "gutter politics"... This seems to be an excercise in debate nullification and insulation from actually having definable positions... As BM pointed out - it's 3rd person. And which 'Liberal voters' are you vagueposting about here ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
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