eyeball Posted December 3, 2013 Report Posted December 3, 2013 The first part of your sentence does not relate to the second part. I think it was appropriately relevant in light of the post your comment immediately followed. And I suggested nothing of the sort nor did I condone bullying, It sure sounded like a suggestion when you effectively said it's not bullying bullying when it's online. You didn't condone bullying, you belittled it, following a post that recalled two very graphic cases of online bullying. Internet bullying is pretty unique....in that is is somewhat voluntary. See there you go again...somewhat voluntary...like when a hot flirty chick gets somewhat raped? simply pointed out the difference between the virutal world and real life. I can punch you in the face all I like here, and you'll laugh it off. Your reaction to an actual physical assault would be very different. I don't see enough difference myself, especially in the cases of Parsons and Todd, and yes while different circumstances might produce different reactions you should nonetheless count on there being one. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Army Guy Posted December 4, 2013 Report Posted December 4, 2013 Read my post again and tell me which of the examples I provided are kids that you think will benefit from being held back to 'learn responsibility'. I'd like to see some evidence to support the idea that holding kids back benefits any kids at all. Without evidence, a theory is just a theory. . I think the edvidence is right in my post, unless you think that classrooms are not getting bigger, teachers dom not have the time to spend on "slower Kids" although in some schools they do have programs that help children that are having problems, it is not available to all schools, and it's during school hours. I agree that it is proable not best for a young child to experience being held back, But a high school student that will enter the work force in the very near future what does he get from being pushed along with his peers, what life skill are we teaching him or her. Because in the real world it is not like that, your based on your merits, performance, and skills, if you have none then your not advancing any where. What skills are we giving them when the proceed to university, collage, or other form of higher education. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Bonam Posted December 4, 2013 Report Posted December 4, 2013 I think the edvidence is right in my post, unless you think that classrooms are not getting bigger, teachers dom not have the time to spend on "slower Kids" although in some schools they do have programs that help children that are having problems, it is not available to all schools, and it's during school hours. Actually the biggest thing most schools are missing is any programs at all to improve the experience of kids who are more advanced than the average. Gifted learners fall through the cracks in our system and often end up doing poorly due to being bored, and often also suffer bullying due to being nerdy and different. Quote
neobendez Posted December 5, 2013 Report Posted December 5, 2013 Not all the time. Children needs to be beaten in some instance for them to grow up stronger and know how to stand on their own. Quote how do you get us netflix in Canada
eyeball Posted December 6, 2013 Report Posted December 6, 2013 I had a big scary looking uncle who used to push me around for that very reason. I still recall the scar he had on his face, where somebody else must have pushed back I suppose - it looked like they used a bottle. Dad didn't spare the rod that much, a big wooden spoon actually, I still remember clamping the thing into the bench-vise and sawing it into little pieces. Anyway it all must have worked pretty good on me, I was pretty much standing on my own by the time I turned 15 and pretty much never looked back. I never laid a hand on my kids, and they all still say 'I love you' when we finish talking or visit. I guess I must have done something wrong. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Mighty AC Posted December 9, 2013 Report Posted December 9, 2013 I never laid a hand on my kids, and they all still say 'I love you' when we finish talking or visit. I guess I must have done something wrong. Wow, you actually taught your kids to solve problems without resorting to violence?! How horrible of you. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
bleeding heart Posted December 9, 2013 Report Posted December 9, 2013 Yep, a weakness, further evidence of the "feminization" (inherently a bad thing, I'm told) of Western civilization. Eyeball would do better to avoid such namby-pamby parenting practices as quickly as possible. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
eyeball Posted December 9, 2013 Report Posted December 9, 2013 Too late for my kids but I suppose I could crack down and get tough on my little grand-daughter. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bleeding heart Posted December 9, 2013 Report Posted December 9, 2013 I have a sweet little grandson, and am hoping very much for a little grand-daughter someday. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
eyeball Posted December 9, 2013 Report Posted December 9, 2013 He's still sweet? That's not a good sign. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bleeding heart Posted December 9, 2013 Report Posted December 9, 2013 Nope...two and a half, he should be a little more manly by now...... Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
overthere Posted December 9, 2013 Report Posted December 9, 2013 See there you go again...somewhat voluntary...like when a hot flirty chick gets somewhat raped? Excuse me? There is no need to be a total asshole, I suggested nothing of the kind and you can go fuck yourself. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
guyser Posted December 9, 2013 Report Posted December 9, 2013 Actually you did suggest similar. Its called an analogy. Never heard of such a thing huh? Quote
BC_chick Posted December 10, 2013 Report Posted December 10, 2013 (edited) I had a big scary looking uncle who used to push me around for that very reason. I still recall the scar he had on his face, where somebody else must have pushed back I suppose - it looked like they used a bottle. Dad didn't spare the rod that much, a big wooden spoon actually, I still remember clamping the thing into the bench-vise and sawing it into little pieces. Anyway it all must have worked pretty good on me, I was pretty much standing on my own by the time I turned 15 and pretty much never looked back. I never laid a hand on my kids, and they all still say 'I love you' when we finish talking or visit. I guess I must have done something wrong. You're lucky you broke the cycle. Normally this is learned behaviour. A few months ago my daughter was showing signs of aggression and after spending some time talking to her I found out that her dad spanked her for throwing a tantrum. She defended him by saying it's because she was crying too much (can't believe he blamed her afterward) but I made sure that she knows that it's never her fault that her father does something wrong and what he did was wrong. No excuses. If he does it again, I don't know what I'll do, but for now I'm just trying to make her understand that hitting is wrong, no matter who does it. In my house we have two rules, no hitting and no shouting. Hopefully some of it will seep into her discussions with him and he'll realise the damage he's doing. She has not shown any aggression since we had that talk. Her behaviour was completely learned from him. She's still crazy about her dad, but if he spanks again or continues give her timeouts in a locked room, that will change by the time she's a teenager. Of that, I'm certain. Edited December 10, 2013 by BC_chick Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
ReeferMadness Posted December 14, 2013 Report Posted December 14, 2013 I don't think that children need to be beaten at all but I'm often wrong. So I asked my daughter just to be sure. It turns out I was right. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
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