Police and Natives protest Fracking, New Brunswick

GostHacked · December 31, 2013

Don't you work for the government?

The government provided him a wage, so he is really not paying more than anyone else since his salary comes from the government... which means it came from taxpayers. A strange argument to make considering the source of his income.

GostHacked · December 31, 2013

Can someone show me where fracking has done damage to drinking water, a report, not one guy whinning about it.

The methane is just one problem. EPA studies show that the fracking liquid (many toxic chemicals) are also showing up in the water supplies in homes near fracking wells.

http://www.propublica.org/article/feds-link-water-contamination-to-fracking-for-first-time

In the 121-page draft report released today, EPA officials said that the contamination near the town of Pavillion, Wyo., had most likely seeped up from gas wells and contained at least 10 compounds known to be used in frack fluids.

Not that I trust much of what the EPA does these days. This study was done after a huge stink was raised in Wyoming. They did not peer review it either, that might show that they are underplaying this. But who knows.

The EPA has linked fracking to methane levels in drinking water for the simple fact that fraking materials are also showing up in the water supply. 100% link.

http://www2.epa.gov/region8/pavillion

http://www2.epa.gov/sites/production/files/documents/Nov9-2011_2010-2011SamplingSummaryResults.pdf

Cut and paste from a PDF is getting more problematic as they throw in garbage when you cut and paste.

Page 4 - not just methane, but other chemicals used in the fracking process are showing up in the water. This is your connection. 100%.

http://www2.epa.gov/region8/pavillion

PIK · December 31, 2013

I still don't see where they have found any, it seems by scanning that report they are investigating. But fracking has been going on for decades and where is all the poisening going on, because it seems it is not and this is another case of being blown out of poroportion by the eco freaks. Time for people to start questioning the eco freaks instead of taking thier word for fact.

GostHacked · December 31, 2013

I still don't see where they have found any, it seems by scanning that report they are investigating. But fracking has been going on for decades and where is all the poisening going on, because it seems it is not and this is another case of being blown out of poroportion by the eco freaks. Time for people to start questioning the eco freaks instead of taking thier word for fact.

The EPA documents are the results of the study. 100% linked.

PIK · December 31, 2013

Is this your opinion??, because I don't see where it has been proved to be the culprit..

GostHacked · December 31, 2013

Is this your opinion??, because I don't see where it has been proved to be the culprit..

Not my opinion. The EPA studies show fracking fluid contents in drinking water along with methane. This fracking fluid compound only is used in one application as far as we know. The concentration just happened to be right around where fracking is taking place and where it is close to where people live. It's indicated on page 4 of that EPA document.

Fracking has also been directly linked to small quakes in some regions in the US and UK. So not only contamination, but geological instability.

The EPA usually downplays everything. I suspect they are doing it here, business is more important to the EPA than the environment.

PIK · December 31, 2013

Rarely it seems.

http://newsok.com/seismologist-fracking-doesnt-cause-earthquakes/article/feed/588526

But anyways I am going home ,so you have a great new year GH and we will continue this down the road.

jacee · December 31, 2013

I still don't see where they have found any, it seems by scanning that report they are investigating. But fracking has been going on for decades and where is all the poisening going on, because it seems it is not and this is another case of being blown out of poroportion by the eco freaks. Time for people to start questioning the eco freaks instead of taking thier word for fact.

Answer the question:

Would you drink that water? Give it to your kids?

How would you feel about your property value?

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Edited December 31, 2013 by jacee

GostHacked · December 31, 2013

Rarely it seems.

http://newsok.com/seismologist-fracking-doesnt-cause-earthquakes/article/feed/588526

But anyways I am going home ,so you have a great new year GH and we will continue this down the road.

The USGS confirms fracking to small quake swarms. So rare that even the USGS makes the connection. Fracking is relatively new as a method of extracting shale oil and gas. So we have yet to see the full impact of this practice.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/fracking-causes-earthquakes-studies-confirm-1.1209066

The U.S. Geological Survey is set to release its findings Wednesday that a "remarkable" increase of quakes in the U.S. midcontinent since 2001 is "almost certainly" the result of oil and gas production. However, the lead author of the report, Bill Ellsworth, emphasized in an interview with the U.S. televison network CNBC that the earthquakes aren't caused by the fracking process itself that is used to extract the gas. Rather, earthquakes have been linked to the injection of wastewater produced during fracking back into the ground in order to dispose of it.

http://www.usgs.gov/blogs/features/usgs_top_story/man-made-earthquakes/

USGS scientists have found that at some locations the increase in seismicity coincides with the injection of wastewater in deep disposal wells. Much of this wastewater is a byproduct of oil and gas production and is routinely disposed of by injection into wells specifically designed and approved for this purpose.

Review Article on Injection-Induced Earthquakes

U.S. Geological Survey geophysicist William Ellsworth reviewed the issue of injection-induced earthquakes in a recent study published in the journal Science. The article focused on the injection of fluids into deep wells as a common practice for disposal of wastewater, and discusses recent events and key scientific challenges for assessing this hazard and moving forward to reduce associated risks.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21120-how-fracking-caused-earthquakes-in-the-uk.html

When and where did the earthquakes happen?

A magnitude-2.3 earthquake occurred on 1 April, followed by a magnitude-1.5 quake on 27 May. Both occurred close to the Preese Hall drilling site, where Cuadrilla Resources was using fracking to extract gas from a shale bed.

Initial studies by the British Geological Survey (BGS) suggested that the quakes were linked to Cuadrilla's fracking activities. The epicentre of the second quake was within 500 metres of the drilling site, at a depth of 2 kilometres. Less information was available on the first quake, but it seems to have been similar.

The link with fracking has now been confirmed by an independent report commissioned by Cuadrilla, Geomechanical Study of Bowland Shale Seismicity, which states: "Most likely, the repeated seismicity was induced by direct injection of fluid into the fault zone."

The two geologists who wrote the report ran detailed models to show that the fracking could – and most likely did – provoke the quakes.

The US and the UK have confirmed a link between fracking and quakes.

Rocky Road · January 1, 2014

www.crisisofcivilization.com

Check this online movie about this topic.

It relates.

Rocky Road · January 1, 2014

Happy new year!

Boges · January 1, 2014

Answer the question:

Would you drink that water? Give it to your kids?

How would you feel about your property value?

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Dunno but it seems not to be too toxic.

http://business.financialpost.com/2013/10/31/haliburton-fracking-fluid/

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Boges · January 1, 2014

The USGS confirms fracking to small quake swarms. So rare that even the USGS makes the connection. Fracking is relatively new as a method of extracting shale oil and gas. So we have yet to see the full impact of this practice.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/fracking-causes-earthquakes-studies-confirm-1.1209066

http://www.usgs.gov/blogs/features/usgs_top_story/man-made-earthquakes/

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21120-how-fracking-caused-earthquakes-in-the-uk.html

The US and the UK have confirmed a link between fracking and quakes.

Apparently Geothermal power does too. I trust there will be massive protests to have that practice banned.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=geothermal-drilling-earthquakes

jacee · January 1, 2014

Dunno but it seems not to be too toxic.

http://business.financialpost.com/2013/10/31/haliburton-fracking-fluid/

That's not the kind being used in most cases.

Halliburtons Canadian clients have not taken up the CleanStim fluid system yet, but Mr. Gorman is hopeful that will change.

And then there's the methane ...

Would you really take that risk with your kids?

With your property value?

I think it's obvious why there is serious opposition.

Boges · January 1, 2014

But Methane is naturally occurring.

I know I've been to places where the water smells like sulfur. I don't assume it's caused by humans.

I think we have a case of causation or correlation.

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jacee · January 1, 2014

But Methane is naturally occurring.

I know I've been to places where the water smells like sulfur. I don't assume it's caused by humans.

I think we have a case of causation or correlation.

Lots of things are naturally occuring that you wouldn't want in your kids' drinking water.

Boges · January 2, 2014

Will someone please think of the children!

http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2013/06/theres-methane-in-your-drinking-water-so-what.html

One of the main concerns is the presence of methane in drinking water. Infamously (and dishonestly) portrayed in the "documentary" Gasland, a guy in Colorado lights his tap water on fire. Gasp! It must be because of fracking. But it wasn't. The methane in his tap water seeped there naturally by a process called methane migration. (Perhaps Gasland Part II will correct the record.)

Methane is non-toxic, but it is explosive. And, at very high concentrations, it can cause death by asphyxiation (since there isn't enough oxygen to get to your lungs). In the chart, the worst sample had 70 mg of methane per liter of drinking water. Can we expect the residents in this house to choke and then explode in a huge burning ball of flames?

That scene in the Gasland documentary has been exposed as complete bunk. Plus even if it did happen there's no evidence that it was caused by fracking as people have had methane in their water long before fracking was invented.

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DogOnPorch · January 2, 2014

I believe it was the cause of a Mexican resort explosion that was initially thought to be the Cartels.

GostHacked · January 2, 2014

Apparently Geothermal power does too. I trust there will be massive protests to have that practice banned.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=geothermal-drilling-earthquakes

When you drill that deep, you are going to run into problems. California would be more problematic as it is on a major fault line. The problem with fracking is the fracking, it is a pumping of fluids into the ground to literally shake things up. Then you have the waste to deal with. And you are spending a lot of energy to extract energy. Is there a net gain in product or just profit?

The problem with any of these technologies going deep in the earth will fail eventually. The ground is always shifting with the continental plates moving against and away from each other. So I think it's best we stop some of the things that are compounding the issue.

Boges · January 2, 2014

When you drill that deep, you are going to run into problems. California would be more problematic as it is on a major fault line. The problem with fracking is the fracking, it is a pumping of fluids into the ground to literally shake things up. Then you have the waste to deal with. And you are spending a lot of energy to extract energy. Is there a net gain in product or just profit?The problem with any of these technologies going deep in the earth will fail eventually. The ground is always shifting with the continental plates moving against and away from each other. So I think it's best we stop some of the things that are compounding the issue.

Well considering the falling price of Natural Gas, I can't see that it's a zero-sum game.

Recently in Ontario the "Great" Al Gore came up to celebrate the fact that the last Coal-powered plant had been closed. Well how was the power replaced? Not solar or wind: It's Natural Gas!

That's how a majority of people heat their homes and water and how a good chunk of electricity is now generated.

I would like to see cars run on Natural Gas or Propane, much easier and cheaper than actual electric cars.

Also, from what I have learned, this whole Shale Fracking thing allows one well to be drilled to access multiple sites so there countrysides aren't littered with ugly Gas wells. Drilling for Natural Gas isn't new, what's new is the ability to actually drill parallel to the ground.

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jacee · January 2, 2014

That scene in the Gasland documentary has been exposed as complete bunk. Plus even if it did happen there's no evidence that it was caused by fracking as people have had methane in their water long before fracking was invented.

Not true ...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasland

The movie Truthland, funded by the gas industry, quotes Loren Salsman of Dimock PA saying that although gas in fact did migrate from 1500 feet to surface water subsequent to fracking, the problem can be easily repaired by adding cement "There was some methane migration when they drilled the well up on the hill here, uh, they didn't do such a great job cementin' the well, and it caused a little bit of the methane down around 1500 feet to spread.....They came back, pumped more cement in last October, and since then the levels have gone down and now they're back down to normal."

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Boges · January 2, 2014

the problem can be easily repaired by adding cement

Sounds like a problem with a specific well and not a problem with the process of fracking itself.

Should a process that stands to make North America energy independent be banned because there are isolated examples of mis-use?

I'm sure glad they don't stop drilling for oil world-wide because BP Deep Horizon happened.

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Boges · January 2, 2014

http://reason.com/archives/2013/07/05/the-top-5-lies-about-fracking

Falsehood 1: You can light your tap water on fire. Fox made this claim famous in the first Gasland movie when he showed a resident of Colorado striking a match as water came out of his tap; the natural gas dissolved in the water burst into flame. Yet the water was tested by the Colorado Department of Natural Resources, which reported to the resident: "There are no indications of any oil & gas related impacts to your well water." The agency concluded that the natural gas in his water supply was derived from natural sources—the water well penetrated several coal beds that had released the methane into the well.

The FWW letter warns, "When fracking loosens gas, it can cause methane to migrate into nearby household wells and drinking water." It adds, "Your home could explode, like the house that blew up in Pennsylvania and killed three people." This appears to be a reference to the 2004 case of Charles and Dorothy Harper and their grandson Baelee, in which natural gas migrated into their basement from some new nearby wells being drilled by the Snyder Brothers production company.

This artfully constructed section of the letter wants readers to conclude that fracking caused the deaths of the Harpers. Yet the wells in question were conventional gas wells; no fracking was taking place. The Harpers were killed by negligence: The company had not made sure that the casings on the wells were properly sealed with cement. (Cement is poured down around the well's steel piping to prevent gas or fluids from traveling upward and coming in contact with exposed rock along the borehole, where it can leach into drinking water aquifers.) Fracking technology had nothing to do with the tragedy, for which the Snyder Brothers made court-ordered restitution to the Harper family.

Another house exploded—fortunately without significant injury—when natural gas seeped in from a well in Ohio in 2007. In this case, the Ohio Valley Energy Systems Corporation was fracking an old conventional well whose cement casing was inadequate to block new supplies of highly pressurized natural gas from migrating into nearby water wells. Once the company fixed the casing, the problem was solved.

jacee · July 7, 2014

/nb-residents-turn-mikmaq-environmental-concerns-bubble-surface-wake-shale-gas-exploration/

One couple, living on the outskirts of Moncton, saw the sudden appearance of coliform bacteria in their well water after SWNs thumper trucks rumbled across their front door.

Near Rogersville, a senior citizen, in his 70s, discovered water bubbling up through a seismic testing shot-hole in the bush behind his property.

Both reached out to the Mikmaq battling it out on the highway with SWN.

Kinda hard for a government to pretend 'it's just the natives' upset about the effects of fracking, when other citizens are reaching out to the natives for help, instead of to the government.

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