Canada's Inquisition against science continues.

[PIK]

Or the only ones whinning had their budgets cut or expect to get all the time they want. Canadians are not stupid, they know a snow job when they see it. And to do with the media , as I said before, why now is the media taking duffy's word ,with out having him show the proof. The media is full of harper haters ,because he proved that you don't need them to win or quebec for that matter.

[jacee]

Or the only ones whinning had their budgets cut or expect to get all the time they want. Canadians are not stupid, they know a snow job when they see it. And to do with the media , as I said before, why now is the media taking duffy's word ,with out having him show the proof. The media is full of harper haters ,because he proved that you don't need them to win or quebec for that matter.

[jacee]

In the meantime...

Since Stephen Harpers Conservatives won power, faith-based charities, primarily Christian, have enjoyed a surge in funding from CIDA, according to a study.

As long as they're not doing environmental activism.

http://www.frankejames.com/pen-canada-harper-attack/

Edited October 26, 2013 by jacee

[G Huxley]

UN Slams Canada on Poor Climate Change Record:

http://www.calgaryherald.com/business/slams+Canada+poor+climate+change+record/9128234/story.html

[hitops]

Ok this is not a ban. I have written research applications and done projects with government funding, and choosing not to fund something is not a ban. There ARE bans on some things, like the use of certain drugs in humans. The research won't happen, that's different than banning it. Those of you who demand that anything is a 'ban' if it stops for any reason, are undercutting your own credibility because you value using a bad sounding word for emotional impact rather than accuracy. While the immediate result is the same, the long term result is not, and the implications are different.

Nobody here is even remotely qualified to determined whether any of this research is worthwhile. Just because the topic is sexy or important (global warming), does not mean every research project under the sun connecting itself to that topic or using those words in it's proposals is automatically of value.

I can tell you first hand from the scientific community that tons, TONS of research is garbage done for no other reason than self-promotion or self-preservation. If you think scientists are super-human robots with a total lack of compromise and utter invincibility to normal human frailties and incentives, you are mistaken. They, just like anyone, advocate for their own interests. Many quotes from scientists on government research were posted earlier. It should surprise nobody, that people who directly collect their paycheck from government funding of research.....would be in favor of such funding. This is about as surprising as Syncrude being in favor building pipelines.

Scientists today know that global warming is a sexy topic that has meaning to the general population. This means it has meaning to a voting public, translating directly into meaning for politicians. Scientists know that global warming/climate change/word of the day is where the money is. You want cash and a chance to make a name? Climate science is where it is, and where you can most easily ride political forces into gainful employment.

Edited November 6, 2013 by hitops

[eyeball]

I can tell you first hand from the scientific community that tons, TONS of research is garbage done for no other reason than self-promotion or self-preservation.

Let me guess, you're an economist that does research for the Fraser Institute.

[bleeding heart]

I can tell you first hand from the scientific community that tons, TONS of research is garbage done for no other reason than self-promotion or self-preservation.

No doubt; but are you suggesting hat we can infer this to be the case whenever scientists complain about the current government re scientific work and research?

Because, as I assume you appreciate, no one who takes such a stance "is even remotely qualified" to speak on the subject.

[waldo]

Perhaps the other 11,000 were burned, like they used to do with books.

did someone say Harper Conservative libricide!!!

What's Driving Chaotic Dismantling of Canada's Science Libraries? --- Scientists reject Harper gov't claims vital material is being saved digitally.

Scientists say the closure of some of the world's finest fishery, ocean and environmental libraries by the Harper government has been so chaotic that irreplaceable collections of intellectual capital built by Canadian taxpayers for future generations has been lost forever.

Furthermore, the government is falsely claiming that vital content is being retained by extensively digitizing material from nine regional libraries that the Department of Fisheries and Oceans (DFO) whittled down to two.

"The Department has claimed that all useful information from the closed libraries is available in digital form. This is simply not true. Much of the material is lost forever," reports one DFO scientist who requested not to be named.

That picture of a taxpayer-funded treasure trove of information laid waste emerges from interviews by The Tyee with half a dozen prominent scientists, many of whom asked to remain anonymous for fear that their funding or other government support could be hurt if their names were connected with the concerns they were eager to share.