will obama and rouhani meet face to face?

[jbg]

No real surprise here, Rouhani declines to meet with Obama. Looks like he had some of you fooled though. Let that be a lesson.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/obama-hassan-rouhani-meeting-97278.html

Maybe if Obama puts both hands in the air and begs he'll get a meeting. Or bows down and apologizes for G-d knows what.

[Rue]

Let me answer that one: Who said they are developing ICBMs? They are testing a rocket engine that "could" be used for ICBM and of course many other types of rockets. So typical of you to try to spread misinformation.

Lol you are funny. You accuse someone of spreading misinformation? Hah hah. That's funny.

Please do me a favour don't suggest you are an accurate source of Iranian military technology. Hah.

Again! That's funny.

Now before you spread any more misinformation let us do reveal what is public domain and what Iran has told the world:

We know that on September 22, 2003 during an Iranian military parade, they made a public display of the Shahab-3 "Shooting Star".

At that parade the government announcer advised us all the missiles had a range of 1,000 miles.

Iran's Missile Technology Control Regime which they call it, obtains on-going missile technology from North Korea. North Korea which likes to pose as a genius in missile technology and has sold it to Syria and Iran, does so through the auspices of China where the actual technology originates. China not wishing to look like a bad guy sends its information to North Korea which in turn sells it to Syria and Iran and everyone is happy. Of course Hezbollah has its own set of credible engineers who could build advanced missiles on their own and probably have as well as probably having redesigned some of these North Korean missiles. Hezbollah has some very good engineers. So does Iran for that matter. After all they were educated in the United States.

to be continued

[Rue]

Iran has availed itself of the missile technology of North Korea, China, Russia and Pakistan. This is now public domain.

Iran has admitted this and so have these nations. China at first used North Korea as its proxy now it does it openly.

Iran does not just see Israel and the US as its primary foes but India as well little known to many.

Iran and Pakistan share the same distrust of India whose navy is pretty much next door to Iran and could be a principal player in crippling it in the event of a sea war. India might choose to do that if its merchant ships were interfered with.

China being the no.1 trading competitor of India has used Iran to harass Indian merchant ships to delay them from heading to the same ports as Chinese ships to compete for the goods available.

That said Shebab missile series 3-6 are known to all intelligence agencies. They can be found in any military magazine or journal.

In fact if Iran lets it be known there are Shebab 3, 4, 5 and 6 versions you can be sure there are other versions.

The term ICBM is nonsensical Hudson Jones-Bud-Naomi. Any missile that can travel more than a few hundred miles is a problem in the Middle East. A missile with a range of 1,000 miles clearly is a security risk to Jordan, Israel, the Gulf States, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Iraq.

Whether that missile contains a chemical war head, nuclear war head, a dirty bomb war head or a regular war head its a security issue for obvious reasons.

As a result of the Iran-Iraq war, both those countries obtained missile technology from Britain, France, Belgium, Germany, the US, Russia, China, North Korea, Israel, Brazil, South Africa and probably many other nations. Some would have come through weapons brokers who have no allegiance to any country so it could be distanced from the real country of origin.

Iran first modified Skud missiles.

Karaj and Semnan in Iran are missile development sites the Iranian government lets us all know exist. They release the information on these sites on their web-sites. We know Semnan is Chinese built and the missile technology n Karaj and Semnan is mostly Chinese and North Korea.

Since satellite technology now allows clear views of activities on the surface, Iran has moved any weapons development it wants to remain undetected underground.

So when Iran leaves missile sites in open view, it is because that is what it wants the West to see.

There are well known North Korean-built plants at Isfahan and Sirjan producing liquid fuels.

Iran has allowed it to be known it does have missile test facilities at Shahroud and boasts of its Shahid Hemat Industrial Group research facility near Tehran.

All one has to do is take the information Iran does provide, and realize its a way for it to say it has more somewhere else so be careful and don't mess with them.

Whether Israel, the US or other countries have been able to put people on the ground inside the technology sites now hidden from view underground is anyone's guess.

Shabab missiles are modified Scud missiles. They have been modified to fly further and with heavier pay-loads. No one can say definitively how accurate they are.

You can also suspect countries who fear Iranian missiles probably have come up with jamming technology to get these missiles to crash.

Iran has openly let it be known it obtained the M-9 missile from China with has a 600 km range ad a 500 kg payload and the M-11 which has a range of 300 km;s and 500 kg's. Between its Shabib rocket series and these M series missiles it had more than enough missiles to modify on its own to increase distance and payload capacities.

It also has HY-1 and 2 silkworm missiles from China and Tondar-68, Iran 700, Fatch 110, NP 110 missiles from North Korea.

The bottom line is it has a wide range of missiles given to it from China and North Korea it has remodified.

Russia in the late 1990's sent over 10,000 missile experts to Iran and left behind a whole series of their own missiles called the SA series and FL series.

The information I report above can be found on the internet. The fact it is on the internet means its obsolete but its sufficient to prove that since the above information was true at one point, Iran has moved on past the above technology.

It is safe to say it has liquid fuel missiles and other types of missiles that can reach Israel.

It is my personal opinion a nuclear dirty bomb ( a bomb that releases limited radiation not a huge explosion) or a germ war head missile from Iran is probably more of a threat than a nuclear bomb. A nuclear bomb detonating in Israel would destroy the 3rd most scared Islamic site in Jerusalem and might wipe out millions of Muslim pilgrims in Mecca from fall out.

So it might be far more logical to control the damage with a specific germ that won't travel too far and leave all the infrastructure in place.

regards

AIPAC agent 666, official spokesperson aka Rock Hudson

[bud]

eh? iran has long range missiles, therefore they have a nuclear weapons program? good one agent storyteller. oh and thank you for your personal opinion and not even one citation.

by the way, who is going to keep israel in check with their nuclear and chemical weapons and long range missiles? yeah. no need to discuss the big fat elephant in the room.

Edited September 25, 2013 by bud

[DogOnPorch]

eh? iran has long range missiles, therefore they have a nuclear weapons program? good one agent storyteller. oh and thank you for your personal opinion and not even one citation.

by the way, who is going to keep israel in check with their nuclear and chemical weapons and long range missiles? yeah. no need to discuss the big fat elephant in the room.

Your cheer-leading for the regime in Iran is noted and discounted.

[GostHacked]

Your cheer-leading for the regime in Iran is noted and discounted.

No one is cheer leading Iran. Stop it.

[bud]

Your cheer-leading for the regime in Iran is noted and discounted.

i'm assuming you are no longer trying to make things up about an iranian nuclear weapons program?

[bud]

perhaps khamenei will go back into the dark state and/or perhaps the warmongers (israel/neo-cons) will succeed in stifling any diplomatic negotiations, but at this moment, there is room for optimism.

maybe i'm being tricked by iran's new president's so-called charm, but i think he's done and has said the right things so far.

so far:

- he has freed many political prisoners such as human rights activists, journalists and bloggers - but mousavi and karoubi, the reformists who were put under house arrest after the previous elections are still not free

- he allowed open access to social media sites such as facebook and twitter for a period of time - but then suddenly the filters were back on - still, it gives hope that something might happen

- he has explicitly acknowledged the holocaust

- publicly distancing himself from the assad regime for its brutal acts

- he has opened the doors to direct negotiations on its nuclear program - kerry is set to meet iran's counterpart

baby steps.

[DogOnPorch]

No one is cheer leading Iran. Stop it.

Perhaps you'd like to go on record saying Iran is not developing ICBMs as well?

[bud]

Perhaps you'd like to go on record saying Iran is not developing ICBMs as well?

where is your proof that iran has developed ICBM? could you check with your intelligence agency about this? because even the pentagon has not mentioned that iran has ICBM's.

[DogOnPorch]

where is your proof that iran has developed ICBM? could you check with your intelligence agency about this? because even the pentagon has not mentioned that iran has ICBM's.

Your continued denial of Iran's existing rocket programs is quite amusing.

Not a rocket.

[GostHacked]

What exactly are we denying? And what exactly is the point you are attempting to make?

[DogOnPorch]

What exactly are we denying? And what exactly is the point you are attempting to make?

'Conventional' warheads are not what that machine is for. Sure...you can put a regular ol' high explosive warhead on top...but, with their accuracy error, it's unlikely to hit anything other than town-sized targets, anyways. Iran already has a two stage rocket capable of accelerating a small payload to orbit: the Safir.

Here's a good forum on Iran's various rocket programs you might enjoy.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/iranian-defence/227673-history-iranian-missiles-rockets.html

[GostHacked]

So let's show them Iranians that nukes are bad and bomb the crap out of them ... right?

[Moonlight Graham]

The US isn't stupid and aren't going to let their backs down based on the positive outreach on the part of the new Iranian President. However, it's still a sign of some kind of hope that an impending conflict can be avoided. It is kind of odd that Syria and Iran have all of a sudden backed down to the US in regards to WMD's. I wonder these 2 regimes have been chatting to each other about their somewhat similar situations?

[bud]

Your continued denial of Iran's existing rocket programs is quite amusing.

Not a rocket.

nice try buddy. i have never said anything about iran's rocket program. of course they have a rocket program. i am denying the false information you are trying to claim, which is that iran is "developing ICBMs" which are usually used for nuclear weapons.

[DogOnPorch]

nice try buddy. i have never said anything about iran's rocket program. of course they have a rocket program. i am denying the false information you are trying to claim, which is that iran is "developing ICBMs" which are usually used for nuclear weapons.

Your continued denial is not going to work. Iran has rockets that can put payloads into orbit. If it can do that it can drop a payload anywhere on the planet. I understand you want to go to bat for Iran, but the ICBM train has already left the station as far as that country goes. Even if we go with your incredible theory that all of this effort isn't for atomic weapons on top of rockets, what would their use be in your opinion? Dropping 'conventional warheads'? You'll be doing the Ayatollah a big favor to parrot that line.

Sejjil-2...not a rocket.

[eyeball]

Maybe if Obama puts both hands in the air and begs he'll get a meeting. Or bows down and apologizes for G-d knows what.

Worth the effort if that's all it takes to lead to a better place don't you think?

[DogOnPorch]

So let's show them Iranians that nukes are bad and bomb the crap out of them ... right?

Nuclear proliferation is a serious thing. While the spirit of fair play might seem to be an issue, even a small nuclear exchange would be a disaster for all. Your choice is to bomb the crap out of Iran's population. That won't solve anything.

[DogOnPorch]

The US isn't stupid and aren't going to let their backs down based on the positive outreach on the part of the new Iranian President. However, it's still a sign of some kind of hope that an impending conflict can be avoided. It is kind of odd that Syria and Iran have all of a sudden backed down to the US in regards to WMD's. I wonder these 2 regimes have been chatting to each other about their somewhat similar situations?

There's a chance Iran already has some sort of working device or access to them.

[GostHacked]

Nuclear proliferation is a serious thing. While the spirit of fair play might seem to be an issue, even a small nuclear exchange would be a disaster for all.

Iran getting one nuke bad .. Russia and the USA have thousands. The UK, France and other countries have their fair share as well. Will they get rid of their nukes as well if Iran ditches their alleged nuke program?

Your choice is to bomb the crap out of Iran's population. That won't solve anything.

Now where did I say that? Your trolling efforts are relentless.

[DogOnPorch]

Iran getting one nuke bad .. Russia and the USA have thousands. The UK, France and other countries have their fair share as well. Will they get rid of their nukes as well if Iran ditches their alleged nuke program?

As mentioned, fair play seems to be an issue but it isn't. A small exchange between Israel and Iran would be a disaster for the PLANET...not just the Middle East.

Now where did I say that? Your trolling efforts are relentless.

It was your trolling effort, GH.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/23027-will-obama-and-rouhani-meet-face-to-face/?p=921388

"So let's show them Iranians that nukes are bad and bomb the crap out of them ... right?"

[DogOnPorch]

And here's a sobering thought: The 100kt W76 warhead weighs in at a mere 360 lbs.

[GostHacked]

As mentioned, fair play seems to be an issue but it isn't. A small exchange between Israel and Iran would be a disaster for the PLANET...not just the Middle East.[/uote]

And yet people think Fukushima is not an issue for the world.

It was your trolling effort, GH.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/23027-will-obama-and-rouhani-meet-face-to-face/?p=921388

"So let's show them Iranians that nukes are bad and bomb the crap out of them ... right?"

I'll take that as a compliment if YOU see that as a trolling post. It's not a trolling post.

[DogOnPorch]

Sure it was: When did I suggest bombing Iran? Go ahead, show me where. But, since I expect such things from you, I see no need to get angry.