DogOnPorch Posted October 2, 2013 Report Posted October 2, 2013 ooh. more photo posting that proves nothing. i remember some kids in school, where the teacher would repeat information and they just wouldn't get it. but they continued to repeat the information anyway: An Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) is a ballistic missile with a range of more than 5,500 kilometres (3,400 mi)[1] typically designed for nuclear weapons delivery (delivering one or more nuclear warheads). Most modern designs support multiple independently targetable reentry vehicles (MIRVs), allowing a single missile to carry several warheads, each of which can strike a different target. iran doesn't have ICBM. the pentagon acknowledges this and every other intelligence agency acknowledges this. DoP's intelligence, however, doesn't. So you're back to semantics are you? I suppose it's all you have as the masters in Tehran push forward with their ballistic missile programs. As mentioned earlier, you'll continue to deny both Iran's atomic program as well as its ICBM program until it becomes a fait accompli. This is the task you have. This is what I've come to expect out of you. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Hudson Jones Posted October 2, 2013 Report Posted October 2, 2013 So you're back to semantics are you? I suppose it's all you have as the masters in Tehran push forward with their ballistic missile programs. As mentioned earlier, you'll continue to deny both Iran's atomic program as well as its ICBM program until it becomes a fait accompli. This is the task you have. This is what I've come to expect out of you. You realize that you were wrong about ICBM's, right? ICBM's are a special kind of ballistic missiles, which only a few countries possess. Iran does not have them, so it's not right to say they do, when they don't. I think we should all agree that DoggyDog made a mistake but we should also agree that there is a chance that in the future, Iran may develop ICBM's, so DoggyDog doesn't feel bad about the energy he has put into typing so much and posting so many photos of missiles (but not ICBM's). Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
jbg Posted October 2, 2013 Report Posted October 2, 2013 my job is to keep those who spread misinformation in check. as it has been mentioned numerous times, even the pentagon has said iran doesn't have ICBMs. since the facts have been revealed to you and you are still repeating the same misinformation, you are no longer making a mistake. you are now lying. By whom were you employed for that job? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
GostHacked Posted October 3, 2013 Report Posted October 3, 2013 So you're back to semantics are you? I suppose it's all you have as the masters in Tehran push forward with their ballistic missile programs. A first for you in this thread to want to stay on topic, and now you complain about semantics? Geeze GH why don't we see NATO weapons in the hands of the FSA if the USA is supporting them. Semantics DoP, semantics. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 3, 2013 Report Posted October 3, 2013 You realize that you were wrong about ICBM's, right? ICBM's are a special kind of ballistic missiles, which only a few countries possess. Iran does not have them, so it's not right to say they do, when they don't. I think we should all agree that DoggyDog made a mistake but we should also agree that there is a chance that in the future, Iran may develop ICBM's, so DoggyDog doesn't feel bad about the energy he has put into typing so much and posting so many photos of missiles (but not ICBM's). An expert on rockets, are you? Why does Iran need high speed re-entry shrouds? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted October 3, 2013 Report Posted October 3, 2013 A first for you in this thread to want to stay on topic, and now you complain about semantics? Geeze GH why don't we see NATO weapons in the hands of the FSA if the USA is supporting them. Semantics DoP, semantics. Iran's ballistic missile programs exist yet you and the other "rocket experts" claim they don't exist. This is with actual hard proof of their existence. Pictures...videos...news stories. So, when Iran does light-off a nuke and does mount one on one of their non-existent ballistic missiles, what will you say then? It's not a nuke? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted October 3, 2013 Report Posted October 3, 2013 Iran's ballistic missile programs exist yet you and the other "rocket experts" claim they don't exist. This is with actual hard proof of their existence. Pictures...videos...news stories. So, when Iran does light-off a nuke and does mount one on one of their non-existent ballistic missiles, what will you say then? It's not a nuke? You really think Iran is that stupid and would launch a first strike against any other nation? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 3, 2013 Report Posted October 3, 2013 You really think Iran is that stupid and would launch a first strike against any other nation? That's what MIRVs are handy for. Why does Iran want MIRVs? Why do they need high speed re-entry shrouds? Why is a country with trillions in oil blowing trillions on nuclear power? Nuke Israel and you only have to say you're sorry once. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 Why is a country with trillions in oil blowing trillions on nuclear power? Because the need for energy has rapidly increased and Iran is dependant on oil exports for revenue. Nuke Israel and you only have to say you're sorry once. Nuke Israel and you wont even get a CHANCE to say ANYTHING. If Iran does have a neclear weapons program (and theres no evidence that they do) it most likely for the same reason other countries to. Deterent to aggression, and increased regional political clout. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
DogOnPorch Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 Nuke Israel and you wont even get a CHANCE to say ANYTHING. Oh, really? Who is going to nuke Iran for nuking Israel? You? If Iran does have a neclear weapons program (and theres no evidence that they do) it most likely for the same reason other countries to. Deterent to aggression, and increased regional political clout. Why is Iran developing MIRVS and high speed re-entry shrouds*? Not to mention...why does Iran have several ballistic missile programs (both liquid and solid)...all of which your MLW allies are busy denying even exist. Care to chime-in on that one? * An ablative shroud used to allow warheads to survive extremely high-G plunging re-entries from space. Because the need for energy has rapidly increased and Iran is dependant (sic) on oil exports for revenue. Please. Iran is not a poor country. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 Why is Iran developing MIRVS and high speed re-entry shrouds*? It's what nuclear armed countries do. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
GostHacked Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 That's what MIRVs are handy for. Why does Iran want MIRVs? Why do they need high speed re-entry shrouds? Why is a country with trillions in oil blowing trillions on nuclear power? Nuke Israel and you only have to say you're sorry once. So when is Israel coming clean with it's nuclear arsenal? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 So when is Israel coming clean with it's nuclear arsenal? I'm not Israel. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 It's what nuclear armed countries do. Indeed. I suspect Iran already has a device...a gift. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 So when is Israel coming clean with it's nuclear arsenal? Speaking of which, you might have heard of the Sampson Option. Google 'Cobalt Bomb'...I've always suspected Israel of having one. It's the ultimate MAD device. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 Speaking of which, you might have heard of the Sampson Option. Google 'Cobalt Bomb'...I've always suspected Israel of having one. It's the ultimate MAD device. Bibi was the one talking about the red line regarding Iran. As soon as Israel wants to come clean with it's weapons, they have no reason to bitch about Iran or anyone's 'secret' programs. Let's face it, when the USA goes up against Iran, it's because of Israel. Israel is abusing it's relationship with the USA by using them to push back on Iran. Without the USAs military as security in the region Israel would already be gone. But if Bibi says that Israel is all grown up and can handle it's own affairs, then the USA should cut the cord and say, 'good luck'. The USA has invaded at last two countries since 2001, and had a hand in the uprisings in the Arab Spring. If I was Iran, I'd be working on a bomb. Iran has been backed into a corner and essentially the USA and Israel are Geo-politically forcing Iran into a position where they would need a nuke for deterrent purposes more than needing them for attacking another country. Bibi is also telling the world not to buy into this new tone coming out of Tehran. How many nuclear sites did Israel take out with planes again? Make it a triple perhaps? This is how the world seems to work these days, people want to reach out and make a change and better relationship and they are greeted with threats and demeaning rhetoric. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 I know folks like yourself dislike that the USA and Israel are close military allies, but this is just a fact of life. I'd get used to it as it is unlikely to change for some time. Perhaps never for all practical purposes. The USA sees a benefit from supplying jet fuel and what not to their Israeli buddies. Perhaps they know something you do not. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 I know folks like yourself dislike that the USA and Israel are close military allies, but this is just a fact of life. I'd get used to it as it is unlikely to change for some time. Perhaps never for all practical purposes. The USA sees a benefit from supplying jet fuel and what not to their Israeli buddies. Perhaps they know something you do not. Israel uses the USA. The relationship is no longer benefiting the USA. In fact it's draining America's resources, in terms of energy, equipment, money, and most important, lives. It's a 'Let's you and him, fight.' Quote
bud Posted October 4, 2013 Author Report Posted October 4, 2013 Bibi was the one talking about the red line regarding Iran. As soon as Israel wants to come clean with it's weapons, they have no reason to bitch about Iran or anyone's 'secret' programs. *ding* Quote http://whoprofits.org/
DogOnPorch Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 Israel uses the USA. The relationship is no longer benefiting the USA. In fact it's draining America's resources, in terms of energy, equipment, money, and most important, lives. It's a 'Let's you and him, fight.' WTF are you talking about? The US has NEVER fought Israel's wars for it. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bud Posted October 4, 2013 Author Report Posted October 4, 2013 WTF are you talking about? The US has NEVER fought Israel's wars for it. iraq was pushed by neo-con/zionists. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
DogOnPorch Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 (edited) iraq was pushed by neo-con/zionists. Ah yes...your world-wide Jewish conspiracy fetish. Look at a map. Israel does not share a border with Iraq. Iraq did attack Israel in 1948. Edited October 4, 2013 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 Ah yes...your world-wide Jewish conspiracy fetish. Look at a map. Israel does not share a border with Iraq. Iraq did attack Israel in 1948. And Israel made a military strike on Iraq's nuclear facility. That is classified as an act of war and Iraq would have had every right to make a counter strike against Israel. Saudi Arabia allowed Israel to use it's airspace to attack Iraq. Quote
jbg Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 I know folks like yourself dislike that the USA and Israel are close military allies, but this is just a fact of life. I'd get used to it as it is unlikely to change for some time. Perhaps never for all practical purposes. The USA sees a benefit from supplying jet fuel and what not to their Israeli buddies. Perhaps they know something you do not. Israel uses the USA. The relationship is no longer benefiting the USA. In fact it's draining America's resources, in terms of energy, equipment, money, and most important, lives. It's a 'Let's you and him, fight.' Actually, Israel is the one stable, reliable ally in that part of the world and serves as a huge forward base. All of the other regional nations are either hostile or likely to dissolve into chaos on a moment's notice. The shooting of a grocer, for example, plunged Tunisia into the chaos that lead to it, Egypt, Libya and Syria dissolving into chaos. All but Tunisia are, to some degree, still in flame now. Israel, not as much. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
GostHacked Posted October 4, 2013 Report Posted October 4, 2013 Actually, Israel is the one stable, reliable ally in that part of the world and serves as a huge forward base. All of the other regional nations are either hostile or likely to dissolve into chaos on a moment's notice. The shooting of a grocer, for example, plunged Tunisia into the chaos that lead to it, Egypt, Libya and Syria dissolving into chaos. All but Tunisia are, to some degree, still in flame now. Israel, not as much. The shooting of the grocer may have been a breaking point to something that has been building for a long time. We were told that the shooting of the Archduke Ferdinand was the catalyst for a world war. May have been a breaking point, but things were brewing for a long time and very similar to the situation today. East/West division getting into other peoples business is creating the problems we see out of the Middle East today as we did a century ago. Maybe we need another war to end all wars, like the two other wars that should have ended all wars. But we still have war. As dre has pointed out and I agree to a great extent about foreign powers constantly sticking their fingers in the Middle East and to greater extent north Africa. All of Africa for that matter. Poke a beehive enough times and you will get a reaction. Just don't complain if it's the reaction you were not looking for. And don't cry foul or victim when blowback is experienced in a very negative way. Quote
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