Anti-Christian Bigotry?

bleeding heart · September 20, 2013

At any rate, upon further searching, there are sources saying he was and he wasn't a republican, and that alone is enough to cloud the issue. He may have been at one point but it seems there is no way to be definitive about it.

I agree. "Cloud the issue" meaning what appears to be the sheer invention among some conservatives to Republicanize MLK.

As far as his voting record goes, all we know for certain is that he claimed no party affiliation, and claimed that he usually voted Democrat.

That's the extent of our knowledge.

Personally, I'm not sure if it's terribly relevant. "Which party can lay claim to a late American political hero?"

To which one might answer: "Who gives a rat's ass?"

However, I take issue with the original claim, presented as if it's documented fact, which is why I responded at all.

Edited September 20, 2013 by bleeding heart

BubberMiley · September 20, 2013

However, I take issue with the original claim, presented as if it's documented fact, which is why I responded at all.

It's even worse when the lies get repeated again and again, even after they have been clearly explained as false. That's why I try to avoid the global warming threads.

sharkman · September 20, 2013

So nothing on the Reagan quote? I'm curious, do you think it seems odd?

BubberMiley · September 20, 2013

So nothing on the Reagan quote? I'm curious, do you think it seems odd?

You could try researching it yourself. You would learn that Reagan was a candidate for president for 1968 but lost in the primaries. MLK made that statement at the National Labor Leadership Assembly for Peace in Chicago on November 11, 1967.

I'll answer your questions even though you won't answer mine.

sharkman · September 20, 2013

I'm talking about believing in gods without evidence.

Of course Democrats also support ideas that are against teachings attributed to Jesus. You made a comment about how Christians must follow the word of Jesus on racism. I brought up how everything the Republican and Conservative types stand for goes against the word of Jesus. I mentioned those parties specifically because they are most actively courting the Christian vote and they seem to have your support. The point is if following the word of Jesus is important, all of those proud Christian Republicans are in big trouble. Well...at least they would be if their beliefs were more than a fairy tale.

Not exactly, belief with out evidence is bad all on its own. I was just highlighting the similarities between two bad ideas. Faith and racism are both spread through indoctrination and at one time both were completely acceptable practices. Being intolerant of a bad idea, be it racism or faith does not make one a bigot. That is how we combat bad ideas.

Racism is wrong and it is okay to criticize religious beliefs. It is not okay to discriminate against the individuals. Criticizing your belief system is not discrimination.

I don't have to applaud MLK's Christian beliefs to admire his civil rights work. Just like you don't have to admire the fact that he was a chronic adulterer. Hey look at that common ground, we can compartmentalize together.

When you say that everything that republicans and conservatives stand for is against the word of Jesus, you are merely smearing a segment of people that you disagree with. It's so obviously inaccurate I can't help but wonder about your motives.

I've not shared my views on MLK, so you don't really know what I think about him, but of course you can make assumptions based on what I have said. I'll simply add this: He could have been a far greater man than he was. At any rate, I think I'm done here.

Considering a group of people to be not equal with others because of religion is discrimination. Let me be clear. It is not criticizing one's belief's that is automatically discrimination. Your belief that the religious are not equal is discrimination.

Edited September 20, 2013 by sharkman

BubberMiley · September 20, 2013

At any rate, I think I'm done here.

It's nice to find something we agree on.

sharkman · September 20, 2013

It's nice to find something we agree on.

Hi bubber. Remember several weeks back when I messaged you about putting you on ignore? That's why I haven't responded to you, it looks like you've been wanting responses from me.

Mighty AC · September 20, 2013

I've not shared my views on MLK, so you don't really know what I think about him, but of course you can make assumptions based on what I have said. I'll simply add this: He could have been a far greater man than he was. At any rate, I think I'm done here.

They say we should never meet our heroes. We all could be better than we are, and MLK was great enough. He is still worthy of admiration despite his flaws. I just wanted to point out that everyone compartmentalizes at times, not just heathens like me.

BubberMiley · September 20, 2013

Hi bubber. Remember several weeks back when I messaged you about putting you on ignore?

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but that sounds like an excellent way to avoid answering questions that demonstrate how ridiculous your arguments are. I think you're only fooling yourself though.

sharkman · September 20, 2013

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but that sounds like an excellent way to avoid answering questions that demonstrate how ridiculous your arguments are. I think you're only fooling yourself though.

I have this message to you in my messenger history :

Sent 26 June 2013 - 12:33 PM

Hi Bubber,

I realize we have somewhat of a sorted history when we would continually butt heads since we are at the opposite ends of the spectrum. However, I have moved past that at least a couple of years ago, and I made efforts to demonstrate this when you would attack me.

However, it seems like you are not over it and actively oppose my simple posts with trolling comments and worse instead of simply discussing things. My last post was a lighthearted response where since you accused me of stereo-typing and wild speculating. I stereo-typed Winnipeggers and speculated on their diets, and in response you repeated your trolling nonsense.

My heart is not in it though, I don't want to get into endless debates over anything with you, so I've put you on the ignore setting. Perhaps you can find someone else to argue with, but it won't be me.

BubberMiley · September 20, 2013

Fascinating. I just clicked on the little "1" in the envelope and saw it there.

So I guess asking whether the idea that criticizing people's beliefs is equal to "racism" extends to criticizing communist beliefs is too "trolly" a question for you.

sharkman · September 20, 2013

Fascinating. I just clicked on the little "1" in the envelope and saw it there.

After 3 months? I call BS.

Edited September 20, 2013 by sharkman

BubberMiley · September 20, 2013

You will go to any lengths to avoid answering a question. Why not just admit you haven't thought your idea through yet?

sharkman · September 20, 2013

If one won't be honest in the little things, I'd rather not engage said person in debates. You are banished from the shark tank.

BubberMiley · September 20, 2013

If one won't be honest in the little things, I'd rather not engage said person in debates.

I have never been so dishonest as to claim MLK was a republican, or to refuse to debate because I know I can't "win".

I realize that you don't like it went I destroy your arguments and point out your lies, but the only way to stop me is to debate in good faith and to stop lying.

Edited September 20, 2013 by BubberMiley

BubberMiley · September 20, 2013

It is not criticizing one's belief's that is automatically discrimination. Your belief that the religious are not equal is discrimination.

Speaking of your tendency for dishonesty, where did he say that the religious are not equal? Don't you think making things up like that is really the pinacle of dishonesty in a forum like this?

bleeding heart · September 20, 2013

At any rate, sharkman, your question about MLK's remarks about Reagan have been answered.

And thank you, Bubber.

Moonlight Graham · September 20, 2013

Being intolerant of a bad idea...does not make one a bigot. That is how we combat bad ideas.

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Racism is wrong and it is okay to criticize religious beliefs. It is not okay to discriminate against the individuals. Criticizing your belief system is not discrimination.

I don't have to applaud MLK's Christian beliefs to admire his civil rights work. Just like you don't have to admire the fact that he was a chronic adulterer.

All really excellent points.

September 21, 2013

At any rate, upon further searching, there are sources saying he was and he wasn't a republican, and that alone is enough to cloud the issue. He may have been at one point but it seems there is no way to be definitive about it. At any rate he was a fascinating man, and of that era a song penned about the times said, "We shot all our dreamers and there's no one left to lead us".

Martin Luther King, Sr. was a card carrying Republican, and he was all that his son was - a Baptist pastor, missionary, and an early leader in the American Civil Rights Movement.

The_Squid · September 21, 2013

Martin Luther King, Sr. was a card carrying Republican, and he was all that his son was - a Baptist pastor, missionary, and an early leader in the American Civil Rights Movement.

Isn't the discussion about MLK Jr?

Talk about a red herring....

Edited September 21, 2013 by The_Squid

sharkman · September 21, 2013

It could be that some of the links I found on King Jr being a republican, were actually on King Sr.

September 21, 2013

It could be that some of the links I found on King Jr being a republican, were actually on King Sr.

Could very well be, but even MLK Jr's niece is saying that he was a Republican.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=CZWXmoC5CYw

Edited September 21, 2013 by American Woman

BubberMiley · September 21, 2013

Could very well be, but even MLK Jr's niece is saying that he was a Republican.

I wonder if he has any Republican cousins that want to get on Glenn Beck's show. Then would it be an AW-verified Fact?

September 21, 2013

I wonder if he has any Republican cousins that want to get on Glenn Beck's show. Then would it be an AW-verified Fact?

I never said it was a fact. I said his niece said that he was a Republican. Capice?

Edited September 21, 2013 by American Woman

BubberMiley · September 21, 2013

I never said you did. I asked what further evidence would require you to believe he was a Republican. That is, if a politically active Republican who happens to be a relation goes out of her way to get attention on FoxNews by proclaiming he was a Republican with very little evidence to support her claim, that clearly ranks a "could very well be" on your truth-o-meter. So I was curious how much it would take to declare his Republicanism (in your opinion) a Fact.

Of course, the Fact that his politics tended towards democratic socialism and that he supported planned parenthood might cause you to reconsider and think that it also "could very well be" that his niece wanted to get on TV to talk about her politics. For some reason, however, you aren't interested in finding out how he himself described his politics. Got any videos that show that?