"Disappearing Palestine" bus ads anger Jewish groups

[Black Dog]

There is something egregiously missing from all of these arguments.

Yeah: any connection to the actual topic of the thread.

We have at last count 1,746,348,344 threads rehashing the history of this conflict. This was not intended to be another.

[jbg]

Yeah: any connection to the actual topic of the thread.

We have at last count 1,746,348,344 threads rehashing the history of this conflict. This was not intended to be another.

Why not list all 1,746,348,344 of the threads?

What is missing from virtually all discussions of separatist issues is the viability of the proposed new entity. It is a bit much to expect the "world" (meaning citizens of viable entities) to pick up these costs, whether financial or military.

[Black Dog]

Why not list all 1,746,348,344 of the threads?

Why should I?

What is missing from virtually all discussions of separatist issues is the viability of the proposed new entity. It is a bit much to expect the "world" (meaning citizens of viable entities) to pick up these costs, whether financial or military.

No that's been discussed as well. You should know that because it's you who usually brings it up.

Edited September 18, 2013 by Black Dog

[jbg]

Why should I?

No that's been discussed as well. You should know that because it's you who usually brings it up.

And do you seriously think the question has been answered?

[Black Dog]

And do you seriously think the question has been answered?

I don't care. Start a thread, if you want.

[Bonam]

What gives any government the right to ship huge quantities of taxpayer money to such entities as the U.N., the I.M.F. and the World Bank, to disappear down ratholes?

What gives them the right? The stupidity of the people that continue to elect and support such governments.

[dre]

Why not list all 1,746,348,344 of the threads?

What is missing from virtually all discussions of separatist issues is the viability of the proposed new entity. It is a bit much to expect the "world" (meaning citizens of viable entities) to pick up these costs, whether financial or military.

Palestinians are not separatists. They live on unclaimed land, and are not citizens of any country that they could separate from.

And your question has been asked and answered. A palestinian state would probably require LESS aid than people under a permanent military occupation.

[bleeding heart]

Why is commercial advertising OK? I find ads for Coke more offensive than political messaging.

And more to the point--as you elsewhere pointed out--the line is a blurry one indeed.

In Fredericton, you can see MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Driving) ads on public transport...but, as the founder of MADD herself stated (abandoning the organization in the process) MADD has become increasingly politicized, even offering anti-alcohol ads totally divorced from the (in itself, reasonable) message against drunk driving.

And one could go deeper into the nexus of commercial/political, if one wished to do so, perhaps starting with Dole and PepsiCo's astonishing behaviours in Latin America over the decades....

...and so on.

[shtyage3]

Adam and Moodley argue that notwithstanding universal suffrage within Israel proper, if the occupied Palestinian territories and settler presence are considered part of the entity under analysis, the comparison between a disenfranchised African population in apartheid South Africa and the Palestinians under Israeli occupation gains more validity

[jacee]

Dp

Edited July 1, 2016 by jacee

[jacee]

What is missing from virtually all discussions of separatist issues is the viability of the proposed new entity. It is a bit much to expect the "world" (meaning citizens of viable entities) to pick up these costs, whether financial or military.

If that was the only obstacle, the issue would have been resolved long ago.

Obviously there's a bigger obstacle ... and getting bigger ... and bigger ... and ... poof! Palestine is gone!

Except for all the Palestinian people Israel doesn't want.

Where do they go?!

It really is a very informative image and a brilliant campaign.

Israel does not get to commit genocide just because they're Israel.

Who gave Israelis a free pass on committing genocide?

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Edited ... Changed Jews to Israelis.

My apologies.

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Edited July 1, 2016 by jacee

[dre]

Except for all the Palestinian people Israel doesn't want.

Where do they go?!

Well the plan is basically to corral them into small and smaller and less important areas of the west bank so that jewish supremacists can proclaim that a state is not "viable".

Eventually it WILL work. Once Palestinians are herded into areas similar to Indian reservations in Canada, and Israel has settled the rest of the west bank, built towns, cities, infrastructure etc, a new state will be increasingly unlikely. At some point Israel will formally annex the territory... The world will piss and moan a bit but they wont actually DO anything to stop them.

[jacee]

Well the plan is basically to corral them into small and smaller and less important areas of the west bank so that jewish supremacists can proclaim that a state is not "viable".

Eventually it WILL work. Once Palestinians are herded into areas similar to Indian reservations in Canada, and Israel has settled the rest of the west bank, built towns, cities, infrastructure etc, a new state will be increasingly unlikely. At some point Israel will formally annex the territory... The world will piss and moan a bit but they wont actually DO anything to stop them.

The North American genocide involved killing the majority of Indigenous people first, before herding the rest onto reserves.

What is Israel going to do with the millions of Palestinians?

They don't want them in 'greater' Israel ...

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[Rue]

The comments on this thread have absolutely nothing to do with the supposed bus ad subject and are a blatant example of thread drift. The drift speaks for itself loudly,

[Scott Mayers]

The comments on this thread have absolutely nothing to do with the supposed bus ad subject and are a blatant example of thread drift. The drift speaks for itself loudly,

I hadn't seen all but the first page and last and think these sum up the concern with simplicity. We are still ALL humans and while I understand your own frustration, turn it around and think of how others too have discriminated against the Jews, as I understand you are too. Your emotions are fair but I'm hoping that you'll eventually be able to see that we all have the same problem and are only deluded where we think WE aren't responsible to prevent this. Israel is interpreted by many to be acting with vengeance on the Muslims for the discrimination they believe they endured yet don't realize they are also now just using the same methods of behavior the 'enemy' used against the Jew.

I feel frustrated for you because you seem so hurt from the past discussions with you. And while I and others can understand you internally, you interpret the compassion involved towards the Palestinian cause as about FAVORING the Muslim with the added DISFAVOR against the Jew, when it is more about how externally we SEE that history is still just repeating itself unless we recognize what the problem is in common. "Cultural", "religious", "ethnic", "Nationalistic" ideas are a result of differences of economy; but only when or where people 'favor' some in-group without recognizing what they incidentally ignore, whether on purpose or not, it is the reflective behavior of being relatively ignored that creates the next "terrorists" when they are diminished as being trivial or 'hated' by you. So you have to step back away from your personal hurt in order to see that you only contribute to the problem when you think your present worth is justified on the past problems. The people of the relatively suffering community at present is to the Palestinians, not to their accidental nature of being Muslim and any potential hatred that this incidentally may involve. You only enhance their pride in solidarity to those very beliefs you want to extinguish against you.

[jbg]

Look at the map when Israel was created, and look at it now. No matter the reasons, it has been happening.

Showing a map of a shrinking Palestinian territory (or whatever you want to call the area) being taken over by Zionists and, since 1948, the state of Israel, has indeed been happening over the last century or so and is still happening. That's not anti-Semitism or anything else, it's plain geography.

If this angers Jewish groups, then maybe these Jewish groups can pressure Israel to stop expanding the building of illegal settlements.

Had the Arabs accepted the original map perhaps they wouldn't keep losing land. Sucks to lose a war,whether conventional or asymetrical.

[Scott Mayers]

Had the Arabs accepted the original map perhaps they wouldn't keep losing land. Sucks to lose a war,whether conventional or asymetrical.

Which 'original' map? If you assert that war itself by its might is sufficient justification now, then you can't complain against the tactics used by the Palestinians or Muslims or ISIL or X, from doing ANYTHING they do in defiance of this USING might, .....like ummm...."terrorism", as we deem the war tactics of dissident minorities using desperate measures for lack of technical power to have the fortune of the same standards of weaponry the Israelis have. [Remember David and Goliath? Would David not be considered a "terrorist" too?]

[jacee]

Had the Arabs accepted the original map perhaps they wouldn't keep losing land. Sucks to lose a war,whether conventional or asymetrical.

Are you saying that the settlements are justified and should continue expanding, jbg?

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[Big Guy]

Had the Arabs accepted the original map perhaps they wouldn't keep losing land. Sucks to lose a war,whether conventional or asymetrical.

I translate that into "might is right" and "the end justifies the means". Interesting point of view from someone versed in the history of the Jews.

[Rue]

This thread contains anti semitic drivel and nothing to do with local Canadian politics. The last three responses having nothing to do with the topic of the thread and engage in the same anti semitic drivel of attacking and insulting Jews as a people and for choosing to be Jews using the pretext of allegedly criticizing Israeli state policy to engage in that drivel. We are at the point now where any area of the board seems acceptable to placing this piss on Israel for existing drivel with the same stale insults against Jews.

[Rue]

I translate that into "might is right" and "the end justifies the means". Interesting point of view from someone versed in the history of the Jews.

You clearly don't read your own anti semitic words.. Your first sentence makes it clear you come up with a subjective opinion based on your bias and anti semitic views. Then in the next sentence you attribute it to JBG.

You also try engage him in a personal attack knowing he is a Jew and choosing to insult him suggesting he does not know his own people's history.

Its what you do, insult with passive aggressive anti semitic drivel comments and of course it attracts Scott Mayers and Jacee.

Anti semitic drivel. Cow dung that attracts flies. No more, no less.

Edited July 2, 2016 by Rue

[Big Guy]

You clearly don't read your own anti semitic words.. Your first sentence makes it clear you come up with a subjective opinion based on your bias and anti semitic views. Then in the next sentence you attribute it to JBG.

You also try engage him in a personal attack knowing he is a Jew and choosing to insult him suggesting he does not know his own people's history.

Its what you do, insult with passive aggressive anti semitic drivel comments and of course it attracts Scott Mayers and Jacee.

Anti semitic drivel. Cow dung that attracts flies. No more, no less.

Does that mean you disagree?

[herples]

Had the Arabs accepted the original map perhaps they wouldn't keep losing land. Sucks to lose a war,whether conventional or asymetrical.

GA 181 isn't a legally binding agreement it is merely a suggestion by the UN. Israel accepting the original map and the Palestinians not accepting it doesn't afford Israel the Palestinians land regardless if a war happened or not.

Edited July 3, 2016 by herples

[Rue]

Does that mean you disagree?

Lol.

[Rue]

GA 181 isn't a legally binding agreement it is merely a suggestion by the UN. Israel accepting the original map and the Palestinians not accepting it doesn't afford Israel the Palestinians land regardless if a war happened or not.

Uh yah and what does the above have to do with the thread?